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Subject: which is bigger canon Halo reach or the fall of reach

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Posted by: grey101

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I just make the cannon match up in my head, both are good though it really wouldn't have been that hard to fix the book.


The book isn't wrong, it was out before the game.


I could care less, the game takes presidence over the book.

I read the book before Halo 2 came out and that is still how I feel.

  • 04.06.2011 6:24 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: grey101
You traveled to the other side of the planet in LNoS, nothing was there at all...


Who says they went completely around the planet?

Who says they didn't go just enough to be out of sight of the anchor 9 area?


I really don't want to sound like an ass, but if you actually watched the cinimatic you clearly see them going into space (which gives you a wide view) and you see no MACS.

Then playing the first half of LNoS you see no orbital stations in ether direction of the planet and this is the side that doesn't have heavy covenant presence.

The secound half of the mission you clearly see the ships go to the other side of the planet deemed covenant controlled and you see nothing, again.


Not to come off as a dick but i am just upset at the fact there were no macs whatsoever


To be fair, a MAC cannon destroyed the first Corvette.

What upsets me is that they only appeared when it was conveniant for the story.

  • 04.06.2011 6:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sparty Boy 117
whatever's written first. Retconning is fine, but on a large scale, it's unacceptable.

  • 04.06.2011 6:45 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101
to be honest the book halo reach and the game halo reach both can't happen at the same time.


Actually they can, it's easy to fit the two together, you just have to use a little common sense. I know you could easily fit things together if you wanted to, I've seen your posts in other threads, I know you could it if you wanted to.

In the game the PoA is on reach for whatever reason and waiting for a cortana fragment.

It was only on the surface to pick up the fragment, and that was it, and there is no indication it was there the entire battle.

In the book PoA was nearly out of the system when the covenant attacked and cortana was on board along with the chief who wasn't in cryo.

Again, we don't actually know where the Autumn was when the Covenant were first found on Reach or when the second and third fleets arrived.

Chief being in the cryo tube is an easter egg, it has no bearing on canon or the story whatsoever, and this is reinforced by you actually having to pan the camera to the side to see it.

In the game Reach didn't have a fleet whatsoever and ships had to be recalled from other systems.

In the book reach had a fleet of roughly 100-130 ships and dozens of orbiting support stations (non macs)


There was a fleet there, otherwise Carter would not have mentioned the ships carrying nukes going down and the Grafton and Savannah would not be located at Reach. In the space section we were in area not heavily fortified, and quite likely whatever defenses nearby had been relocated or they were destroyed.

In the game reach has no Fleet, no MACS (don't give me that we didn't see them BS), no orbital stations of anytype, and called for other ships to come to the system for help.

Reach had to call for help in the book too, or did you conveniently forget that little detail? And a planet is a huge thing, you're not going to see all of it, either in regards to what's in orbit or what's planet side. I agree that Bungie could have done much more with the space battle than they did, but I do not let that minor disappointment cloud my over-all enjoyment of the game.

In all honesty it is ether the book or the game with this one. and yes i know kat said something about the Macs, but we didn't say any on ether side of the planet.

I'm sorry, grey, but I'm just going to have disagree with you on that point, I think it's far too narrow minded and not trying to observe the big picture. You seem to be a great guy, or girl (whichever you may be), and are one of the people I respect on here, maybe even call friend, but I do not, and really cannot, agree with you on this at all.

On the subject of the last issue you raised, as I said earlier, a planet is a large thing, we're not going to see all of it, and I don't think there was anything at all indicating that the LNoS was on the other side of the planet from Anchor 9, they're not that far off, certainly not on the other side of the planet from each other.

  • 04.06.2011 7:30 PM PDT

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I prefer the book, but the games trump the books every time :(


The canon breaches Reach has made are so extreme though, it makes the rest of the story virtually impossible. Like how the Spartans would never have jumped out of PoA thanks to it landing. Making First Strike (and by extension Halo's 2 and 3), Ghosts of Onyx and the series around that area nonexistant. Everything revolved around the events hapening in the book Reach how it happened. Seriously, that book is a Bible for the centemporary universe.

So I don't even consider Reach canon until its compentantly explained by either Bungie or 343.

I figured it out, so how bout you try that

  • 04.06.2011 10:45 PM PDT

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Game Canon > Book Canon.


Not when the books is more enjoyable than the game.

Book > Game.


What does that has to do with Canon? Seriously, Bungie/343i's word is over the word of any author of the Halo novels, if it's made directly by Bungie/343i then it overrides the other Canon.

It's just like Star Wars, G canon (Movies) override Book and game canon.


I enjoyed Eric Nylund's "The Fall of Reach" more than I enjoyed Halo: Reach's campaign story. Therefore, I consider the book to be canon and not the game. I don't give a rat's ass about Bungie being the "official" canon.

  • 04.07.2011 9:14 AM PDT


Posted by: bat out of h3ll
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: bat out of h3ll
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Game Canon > Book Canon.


Not when the books is more enjoyable than the game.

Book > Game.


What does that has to do with Canon? Seriously, Bungie/343i's word is over the word of any author of the Halo novels, if it's made directly by Bungie/343i then it overrides the other Canon.

It's just like Star Wars, G canon (Movies) override Book and game canon.


I enjoyed Eric Nylund's "The Fall of Reach" more than I enjoyed Halo: Reach's campaign story. Therefore, I consider the book to be canon and not the game. I don't give a rat's ass about Bungie being the "official" canon.


Therefore, you show you don't give a rat's ass about canon at all.

Edit: What I mean is, if everytime something is added you don't like completely, and you consider it "not-canon!" then your halo universe will be empty and boring.

[Edited on 04.07.2011 10:00 AM PDT]

  • 04.07.2011 9:43 AM PDT
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  • 04.07.2011 10:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: bat out of h3ll
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: bat out of h3ll
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Game Canon > Book Canon.


Not when the books is more enjoyable than the game.

Book > Game.


What does that has to do with Canon? Seriously, Bungie/343i's word is over the word of any author of the Halo novels, if it's made directly by Bungie/343i then it overrides the other Canon.

It's just like Star Wars, G canon (Movies) override Book and game canon.


I enjoyed Eric Nylund's "The Fall of Reach" more than I enjoyed Halo: Reach's campaign story. Therefore, I consider the book to be canon and not the game. I don't give a rat's ass about Bungie being the "official" canon.


Therefore, you show you don't give a rat's ass about canon at all.

Edit: What I mean is, if everytime something is added you don't like completely, and you consider it "not-canon!" then your halo universe will be empty and boring.


To be fair i don't consider Halo legends to be cannon.

  • 04.07.2011 12:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: grey101
You traveled to the other side of the planet in LNoS, nothing was there at all...


Who says they went completely around the planet?

Who says they didn't go just enough to be out of sight of the anchor 9 area?


I really don't want to sound like an ass, but if you actually watched the cinimatic you clearly see them going into space (which gives you a wide view) and you see no MACS.

Then playing the first half of LNoS you see no orbital stations in ether direction of the planet and this is the side that doesn't have heavy covenant presence.

The secound half of the mission you clearly see the ships go to the other side of the planet deemed covenant controlled and you see nothing, again.


Not to come off as a dick but i am just upset at the fact there were no macs whatsoever


To be fair, a MAC cannon destroyed the first Corvette.

What upsets me is that they only appeared when it was conveniant for the story.



when was it said it was a MAC? and to be honest a MAC round wouldn't do that little damage.

  • 04.07.2011 12:11 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: grey101
You traveled to the other side of the planet in LNoS, nothing was there at all...


Who says they went completely around the planet?

Who says they didn't go just enough to be out of sight of the anchor 9 area?


I really don't want to sound like an ass, but if you actually watched the cinimatic you clearly see them going into space (which gives you a wide view) and you see no MACS.

Then playing the first half of LNoS you see no orbital stations in ether direction of the planet and this is the side that doesn't have heavy covenant presence.

The secound half of the mission you clearly see the ships go to the other side of the planet deemed covenant controlled and you see nothing, again.


Not to come off as a dick but i am just upset at the fact there were no macs whatsoever


To be fair, a MAC cannon destroyed the first Corvette.

What upsets me is that they only appeared when it was conveniant for the story.



when was it said it was a MAC? and to be honest a MAC round wouldn't do that little damage.


Are we talking about a standard MAC canon, like what would be found on a UNSC ship, or are we talking about one of the SMACs? Now if we're talking about SMACs, of course it'd be silly for what took out the Corvette at SWORD to have been a round from one of those. A round from a normal MAC however, I think it's far more plausible, and much more likely, to be one of those.

  • 04.07.2011 6:29 PM PDT

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