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Subject: There WERE super MAC cannons in Reach!

I don't get why everyone keeps saying there weren't, why don't we use our big brains and figure it out-

If you look at the SMAC stations in H2, they are only about roughly 5-10,000 ft. tall and maybe 3,000 wide.

When on Reach, you cannot see them, of course, that would be like claiming the ISS and hundreds of satellites aren't real because you can't see it from Earth. In LNoS, the only mission you could POSSIBLY see them in, you are most likely far enough from reach that you can't see them (Reach is a big planet, trying to see them from Anchor 9 would be like trying to see spacecraft orbiting Earth from the Moon) or they may be farther away from Reach.

Why didn't they fire on the Supercarrier or Corvette?
Perhaps the Covenant Supercarrier was sending some type of jamming signal when it was on Reach or when in space that disabled the MACs, similar to the plasma pistol's EMP. Also, who's to say a MAC could destroy a supercarrier in 1 shot? In TFoR a supercarrier is capable of slicing ships clean in half with it's blue energy projector, and maybe the UNSC thought it would be smarter to use the slipspace bomb. You know, a cleaner kill.

Also, the Corvette in ONI: Sword base is shot with an SMAC round, so that instantly invalidates your arguments anyways

  • 04.07.2011 12:20 PM PDT

Also, the Supercarrier had no idea of the UNSC's intention's until it was too late. A MAC cannon would certainly produce enough heat and signals when powering up to alert the ship, and they would probably be warned when it locked on. The slipspace bomb idea was more stealthy, if more unorthodox than a MAC gun

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

1. we should be able to see the MACs in space and the elevators on the ground.

2. on the LNoS you couldn't see UNSC stations anywhere in any direction, then when they go to the other side of the planet you still don't see anything in ether direction.

3. you can't jam MACs...

4. When was that stated? and that was far too weak of damage for it to be a orbital mac unless it came from a ship. Even then it wouldn't be clean like that and leave no damage to the surface of the planet.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: HaloFan9795
Also, the Supercarrier had no idea of the UNSC's intention's until it was too late. A MAC cannon would certainly produce enough heat and signals when powering up to alert the ship, and they would probably be warned when it locked on. The slipspace bomb idea was more stealthy, if more unorthodox than a MAC gun


Have you even read the books or paid attention at the start of halo 2?

MACs fire in secounds, the covenant can't dodge that or anything unless they have distance. And the MACs are powered from the ground so it wouldn't be giving off crazy heat signals like you seem to think.

  • 04.07.2011 12:25 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: HaloFan9795
Also, the Supercarrier had no idea of the UNSC's intention's until it was too late. A MAC cannon would certainly produce enough heat and signals when powering up to alert the ship, and they would probably be warned when it locked on. The slipspace bomb idea was more stealthy, if more unorthodox than a MAC gun


Have you even read the books or paid attention at the start of halo 2?

MACs fire in secounds, the covenant can't dodge that or anything unless they have distance. And the MACs are powered from the ground so it wouldn't be giving off crazy heat signals like you seem to think.


But perhaps, like I said, one MAC round isn't enough to destroy a Supercarrier. Remember the big ship in TFoR that sliced the other destroyers in half? IIRC that was a Supercarrier, and also IIRC, they couldn't kill it with the MAC guns.

Aslo you argue you can't see stations, once again I'll say, they were too far away. They would probably look like tiny black dots at the most, or if they were away from Reach (in space) you couldn't see them either

  • 04.07.2011 12:29 PM PDT

the Corvette in Halo: Reach was in no way shape or form shot by a SMAC platform. just think about what your saying there, then ponder the potential power of a SMAC platform and then realise the devastation on the ground it would have caused. was much more likely a ship based MAC, possible from Saratoga, Savannah, etc.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: HaloFan9795
Also, the Supercarrier had no idea of the UNSC's intention's until it was too late. A MAC cannon would certainly produce enough heat and signals when powering up to alert the ship, and they would probably be warned when it locked on. The slipspace bomb idea was more stealthy, if more unorthodox than a MAC gun


Have you even read the books or paid attention at the start of halo 2?

MACs fire in secounds, the covenant can't dodge that or anything unless they have distance. And the MACs are powered from the ground so it wouldn't be giving off crazy heat signals like you seem to think.


But perhaps, like I said, one MAC round isn't enough to destroy a Supercarrier. Remember the big ship in TFoR that sliced the other destroyers in half? IIRC that was a Supercarrier, and also IIRC, they couldn't kill it with the MAC guns.

Aslo you argue you can't see stations, once again I'll say, they were too far away. They would probably look like tiny black dots at the most, or if they were away from Reach (in space) you couldn't see them either

Um they couldn't destroy the ship because it had distance on them, The SMAC can destroy any covenant ship that we currently know of if it is in range.

Your argument on that isn't holding up due to it being broken before. You do know MACs are held in place by orbital elevators that we would be able to see even if we couldn't see the MACs right? so i can tell you haven't read the books or paid attention when you played halo 2,ODST, or halo 3.


Please read up before posting something thinking you are right

  • 04.07.2011 12:34 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: HaloFan9795
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: HaloFan9795
Also, the Supercarrier had no idea of the UNSC's intention's until it was too late. A MAC cannon would certainly produce enough heat and signals when powering up to alert the ship, and they would probably be warned when it locked on. The slipspace bomb idea was more stealthy, if more unorthodox than a MAC gun


Have you even read the books or paid attention at the start of halo 2?

MACs fire in secounds, the covenant can't dodge that or anything unless they have distance. And the MACs are powered from the ground so it wouldn't be giving off crazy heat signals like you seem to think.


But perhaps, like I said, one MAC round isn't enough to destroy a Supercarrier. Remember the big ship in TFoR that sliced the other destroyers in half? IIRC that was a Supercarrier, and also IIRC, they couldn't kill it with the MAC guns.

Aslo you argue you can't see stations, once again I'll say, they were too far away. They would probably look like tiny black dots at the most, or if they were away from Reach (in space) you couldn't see them either

Um they couldn't destroy the ship because it had distance on them, The SMAC can destroy any covenant ship that we currently know of if it is in range.

Your argument on that isn't holding up due to it being broken before. You do know MACs are held in place by orbital elevators that we would be able to see even if we couldn't see the MACs right? so i can tell you haven't read the books or paid attention when you played halo 2,ODST, or halo 3.


Please read up before posting something thinking you are right


Since when did the orbital elevators hold up MAC platforms?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: HaloFan9795
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Posted by: HaloFan9795
Also, the Supercarrier had no idea of the UNSC's intention's until it was too late. A MAC cannon would certainly produce enough heat and signals when powering up to alert the ship, and they would probably be warned when it locked on. The slipspace bomb idea was more stealthy, if more unorthodox than a MAC gun


Have you even read the books or paid attention at the start of halo 2?

MACs fire in secounds, the covenant can't dodge that or anything unless they have distance. And the MACs are powered from the ground so it wouldn't be giving off crazy heat signals like you seem to think.


But perhaps, like I said, one MAC round isn't enough to destroy a Supercarrier. Remember the big ship in TFoR that sliced the other destroyers in half? IIRC that was a Supercarrier, and also IIRC, they couldn't kill it with the MAC guns.

Aslo you argue you can't see stations, once again I'll say, they were too far away. They would probably look like tiny black dots at the most, or if they were away from Reach (in space) you couldn't see them either

Um they couldn't destroy the ship because it had distance on them, The SMAC can destroy any covenant ship that we currently know of if it is in range.

Your argument on that isn't holding up due to it being broken before. You do know MACs are held in place by orbital elevators that we would be able to see even if we couldn't see the MACs right? so i can tell you haven't read the books or paid attention when you played halo 2,ODST, or halo 3.


Please read up before posting something thinking you are right


Since when did the orbital elevators hold up MAC platforms?


They kept them in Geosync orbit along with delivering supplies and i am sure they connected the MAC to a power source

[Edited on 04.07.2011 12:59 PM PDT]

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They kept them in Geosync orbit along with delivering supplies and i am sure they connected the MAC to a power source


Geosync orbit has nothing to do with a giant elevator attached to it, no idea about supplies and the energy supplied is 'wireless' (it does exist)

They don't have orbital elevators attached at all.

  • 04.07.2011 1:02 PM PDT

You do make a point. MAC guns are tiny when compared to Reach. You simply can't see them from thousands of kilometers away.

  • 04.07.2011 1:03 PM PDT

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We know that SMAC ODPs were at Reach but apparently there were only 20 compared to the hundreds at Earth (which is utterly bizarre). Still seeing a SMAC in the Campaign, even if it was wreckage, would have sorted out this glaring missing part. I immediately was puzzled by the lack of Reach SMACs, but then thats the Reach Campaign for you.

No SMACs, no Defense Fleet, just a few Frigates. Very weird.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


I admit it is getting late here and i should stop posting becuase i am reading things wrong,

  • 04.07.2011 1:06 PM PDT

orbital elevators don't hold up the MAC platforms, same story goes with some sort of physical power connection to the ground. they are simply in geostationary orbit, not connected in any way shape or form to the ground below, power is likely transmitted using microwaves or similar technology. they are also about 2.2 times the length of a Frigate, so around ~1100 metres tall.

  • 04.07.2011 1:10 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101
1. we should be able to see the MACs in space and the elevators on the ground.

2. on the LNoS you couldn't see UNSC stations anywhere in any direction, then when they go to the other side of the planet you still don't see anything in ether direction.

3. you can't jam MACs...

4. When was that stated? and that was far too weak of damage for it to be a orbital mac unless it came from a ship. Even then it wouldn't be clean like that and leave no damage to the surface of the planet.


You can see the space elevators in the distance on New Alexandria.

  • 04.07.2011 1:25 PM PDT
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Not to mention, how did the Supercarrier slipspace jump in system without a station even picking up the jump?

  • 04.07.2011 2:15 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
1. we should be able to see the MACs in space and the elevators on the ground.

2. on the LNoS you couldn't see UNSC stations anywhere in any direction, then when they go to the other side of the planet you still don't see anything in ether direction.

3. you can't jam MACs...

4. When was that stated? and that was far too weak of damage for it to be a orbital mac unless it came from a ship. Even then it wouldn't be clean like that and leave no damage to the surface of the planet.


4.) Is it really hard to believe that blast was fired on low power so as not to destroy Sword Base as well? This was actually confirmed by 343's community leader "DeepCee" on the 343 forums. He said that all of the MACs in Reach, being coil guns (I think) can be fired on various power settings.

  • 04.07.2011 2:57 PM PDT


Posted by: HaloFan9795
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: HaloFan9795
Also, the Supercarrier had no idea of the UNSC's intention's until it was too late. A MAC cannon would certainly produce enough heat and signals when powering up to alert the ship, and they would probably be warned when it locked on. The slipspace bomb idea was more stealthy, if more unorthodox than a MAC gun


Have you even read the books or paid attention at the start of halo 2?

MACs fire in secounds, the covenant can't dodge that or anything unless they have distance. And the MACs are powered from the ground so it wouldn't be giving off crazy heat signals like you seem to think.


But perhaps, like I said, one MAC round isn't enough to destroy a Supercarrier. Remember the big ship in TFoR that sliced the other destroyers in half? IIRC that was a Supercarrier, and also IIRC, they couldn't kill it with the MAC guns.

Aslo you argue you can't see stations, once again I'll say, they were too far away. They would probably look like tiny black dots at the most, or if they were away from Reach (in space) you couldn't see them either

Though this is actually not true. The couldn't kill the Assault Carrier because it was to fast and it dodged the shots. And it is also theorized that if an SMAC shot would to not penetrate the shields of a ship, the shear thermodynamic energy released would still vaporize it.

  • 04.07.2011 2:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
They kept them in Geosync orbit along with delivering supplies and i am sure they connected the MAC to a power source


No.
It has been clearly stated that Earth had 300 MAC platforms- and less than 10 orbital elevators.

  • 04.07.2011 3:14 PM PDT


Posted by: flamedude
We know that SMAC ODPs were at Reach but apparently there were only 20 compared to the hundreds at Earth (which is utterly bizarre). Still seeing a SMAC in the Campaign, even if it was wreckage, would have sorted out this glaring missing part. I immediately was puzzled by the lack of Reach SMACs, but then thats the Reach Campaign for you.

No SMACs, no Defense Fleet, just a few Frigates. Very weird.


Prioritization, they wanted the max protection for the literal billions of people compared to a few hundred million or so.

Earth was a population center, Reach was not.

  • 04.07.2011 3:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: flamedude
We know that SMAC ODPs were at Reach but apparently there were only 20 compared to the hundreds at Earth (which is utterly bizarre). Still seeing a SMAC in the Campaign, even if it was wreckage, would have sorted out this glaring missing part. I immediately was puzzled by the lack of Reach SMACs, but then thats the Reach Campaign for you.

No SMACs, no Defense Fleet, just a few Frigates. Very weird.


Prioritization, they wanted the max protection for the literal billions of people compared to a few hundred million or so.

Earth was a population center, Reach was not.


Yes I understand that. Reach was the military stronghold, but defended by a paltry 20 ODPs. Call me crazy but if I was in the UNSC I would probably advise them to build more than 20 to defend such a critical planet.

  • 04.07.2011 4:42 PM PDT


Posted by: flamedude
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Posted by: flamedude
We know that SMAC ODPs were at Reach but apparently there were only 20 compared to the hundreds at Earth (which is utterly bizarre). Still seeing a SMAC in the Campaign, even if it was wreckage, would have sorted out this glaring missing part. I immediately was puzzled by the lack of Reach SMACs, but then thats the Reach Campaign for you.

No SMACs, no Defense Fleet, just a few Frigates. Very weird.


Prioritization, they wanted the max protection for the literal billions of people compared to a few hundred million or so.

Earth was a population center, Reach was not.


Yes I understand that. Reach was the military stronghold, but defended by a paltry 20 ODPs. Call me crazy but if I was in the UNSC I would probably advise them to build more than 20 to defend such a critical planet.


More ODPs were made for Earth after Reach fell, before it probably would have been enough to fend off any attack by Insurrectionists or other human battle groups, but they wouldn't have known 20 would be too few to stop the Covenant, they found that out after Reach fell, hence why Earth got a -blam!- load more than was originally planned.

  • 04.07.2011 6:46 PM PDT

And isn't geosynchronous orbit about 20,000+ miles?

  • 04.07.2011 6:46 PM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?

I reckon the Reach defence co-ordinators were complacent. Knowing there were 20 super MAC's in orbit, as well as defence fleets, must have filled them with confidence.

Considering the biggest fleet the UNSC had encountered up until the Fall of Reach was not even over 100 enemy ships they probably thought the 20 cannons would have been enough.

Bet when 700 or so enemy ships showed up there was a lot of "told you so's" follwed by some hasty bag/pant packing.

[Edited on 04.08.2011 2:00 AM PDT]

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