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Subject: How did the Forerunner Fight Gods?

I'm just your average idiot savant.

I remember hearing that the Precursors were at tech level zero on the Forerunner technological scale and that they were supposedly trans-sentient, presumably meaning that they were at the level of gods. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also remember hearing that at some point, the Forerunner and Precursors got into some big war that the Forerunner actually won . How could a race even as advanced as the Forerunner win a war against a race of gods ?

  • 04.07.2011 2:34 PM PDT

I'm not shore but i think the furunners must of got some precusor tech and used it against them.

  • 04.07.2011 2:37 PM PDT

Posted by: Commander GX
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Huh. Wow. I actually have no idea.

  • 04.07.2011 2:37 PM PDT

I'm just your average idiot savant.


Posted by: jonesy90000
I'm not shore but i think the furunners must of got some precusor tech and used it against them.

That sounds plausible.

  • 04.07.2011 2:38 PM PDT

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  • 04.07.2011 2:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Dustin 6047
Posted by: jonesy90000
I'm not shore but i think the furunners must of got some precusor tech and used it against them.


That's what always seems the best way to defeat a better enemy; like how the Forerunners were defeated by the Flood because they took control of their main AI.


And the rest of their technology. Its what makes the Flood so dangerous. They could defeat the Precursors if they got a hold of some of their tech.

  • 04.07.2011 2:54 PM PDT

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First of all, your curiosity is based off of several assumptions.

1) We don't actually know what trans-sentient means.

2) What defines "gods", they were incredibly advanced, but we don't really know much beyond that. They may not have been very militarized.

On topic, It is probably a simple case of the Forerunners using their tech against them.

  • 04.07.2011 3:01 PM PDT

I fail to see how a 'neural' weapon (What the hell does that mean anyway?) would even work on structures...

Last I checked buildings didn't think.

Though, amusingly enough people bring up precusors as unbeatable, yet the forerunners did so.

[Edited on 04.07.2011 3:11 PM PDT]

  • 04.07.2011 3:07 PM PDT


Posted by: orphan
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't Precursors and their structures only vulnerable to neural impulses? Any traditional weaponry (i.e. lasers, plasma, projectiles) simply wouldn't effect them, while a neural impulse would shatter or obliterate them.

Neural weaponry is most likely incredibly advanced, and the Precursor would've tried to hold it a secret as it was their only true weakness, but a Forerunner probably figured it out, and used it in rebellion against the Precursor.

The reason there aren't any Precursor structures lying around is because they were destroyed by the activation of the Halo Array, which is a neural weapon.

I'm not exactly sure how the neural weaponry would work, let alone structures that are only susceptible to that sort of attack. The Halo Array was said to target the brain and eliminate it somehow, correct?


It works...well, it works how you'd expect Gods to work. Neural Physics was a science that life and the universe is linked, that they are the same; "the universe lives, but not as we do". Precursors tapped into that and became Transsentient, or one with the universe.

Trying to destroy a Precursor structure with anything but a neural impulse would be like trying to bring down the Empire State building and the International Space Station at the same time with just one toss of a tennis ball. As in: it cannot be done. You'd essentially, in the case of the Precursors, be trying to destroy the fabric of consciousness and the universe (an intangible, likely transdimensional thing) with a bullet.

This explains the term "transsentient."

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I fail to see how a 'neural' weapon (What the hell does that mena anyway?) would even work on structures...

Last I checked buildings didn't think.

Though, amusingly enough people bring up precusors as unbeatable, yet the forerunners did so.


You think under the assumption you can understand the Precursors' science. Hint: you can't. Neural Physics is a generic term that was best easily translated into English by an AI translator (read the front of Cryptum), it is likely not the best term to describe it.

[Edited on 04.07.2011 3:10 PM PDT]

  • 04.07.2011 3:07 PM PDT

IMO, it's cheap to simply go "This stuff is so advanced you can't understand it, thus making it so we don't have to even try to explain it."

  • 04.07.2011 3:12 PM PDT

I think that such a trans-sentient race like the Precursors wouldn't have the same passion for war as some others. I also think that's why after said war, the Forerunners adopted the same priciples. The Forerunners would try to be diplomatic unless they had no other choice, but since they, too, were so advanced, they had no need to fight with the same tenacity that won their war against the Precursors.

The same exact thing happened when the Forerunners fought the humans. The humans were technologically inferior, yet they were much more passionate about the war. The only reason they lost is because they were fighting the flood as well.

  • 04.07.2011 3:33 PM PDT

Posted by: cB4d93
Posted by: Silent Eli
you are a good translator
Idiot can be a hard language to learn, but once you get it down, everything becomes so clear! The whole world will make sense to you.

Maybe Precursors had Bio-Mechanical structures like what reapers are made of.

  • 04.07.2011 3:39 PM PDT


Posted by: BK Burger Boy
Maybe Precursors had Bio-Mechanical structures like what reapers are made of.


Maybe, I don't see why that'd be so hard to say as opposed to going "You can't understand their science, no explanation needed!"

Or actually explaining what a neural weapon does.

  • 04.07.2011 3:44 PM PDT

I'm not sure what you're looking for.

"Reckless words pierce like a sword, but the tongue of the wise brings healing" -- Proverbs 12:18

Humanity defeated the Covenant and they were 1 or 2 levels below them. Perhaps the species was reaching extinction from a previous war/wars.

  • 04.07.2011 3:44 PM PDT

Posted by: cB4d93
Posted by: Silent Eli
you are a good translator
Idiot can be a hard language to learn, but once you get it down, everything becomes so clear! The whole world will make sense to you.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: BK Burger Boy
Maybe Precursors had Bio-Mechanical structures like what reapers are made of.


Maybe, I don't see why that'd be so hard to say as opposed to going "You can't understand their science, no explanation needed!"

Or actually explaining what a neural weapon does.


Essentially effects anything with a nervous system, i.e. neutralizing brain waves or something.

  • 04.07.2011 3:47 PM PDT


Posted by: BK Burger Boy
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: BK Burger Boy
Maybe Precursors had Bio-Mechanical structures like what reapers are made of.


Maybe, I don't see why that'd be so hard to say as opposed to going "You can't understand their science, no explanation needed!"

Or actually explaining what a neural weapon does.


Essentially effects anything with a nervous system, i.e. neutralizing brain waves or something.


Which means the Precursor buildings had to be alive, or their logic on what a neural weapon kills is majorly messed up.

  • 04.07.2011 3:49 PM PDT

Have you seen my mind anywhere? I seem to have lost it...

0x0 x0x 0x0 000 000 x0x 000
x0x 0x0 0x0 0xx 000 0x0 000
x0x x0x x00 0xx 0x0 x0x 0x0

I have seen you future

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: BK Burger Boy
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: BK Burger Boy
Maybe Precursors had Bio-Mechanical structures like what reapers are made of.


Maybe, I don't see why that'd be so hard to say as opposed to going "You can't understand their science, no explanation needed!"

Or actually explaining what a neural weapon does.


Essentially effects anything with a nervous system, i.e. neutralizing brain waves or something.


Which means the Precursor buildings had to be alive, or their logic on what a neural weapon kills is majorly messed up.

Did anything ever actually say that precursors were killed with neural weapons? I know that the frequency of the Halo rings destroyed their structures, but did neural weapons destroy them.

Theory, Precursors building use some advanced structure that incorporated neurons into it's construction. This would explain why the structures were affected by the array.

  • 04.07.2011 3:55 PM PDT

I've seen it said a number of times that only 'neural weapons' can damage Precursor items and kill them. If so, forerunners got damn lucky discovering that.

  • 04.07.2011 4:05 PM PDT

Old School

i bet they used bio warfare hence why the precursors retorted with the flood..

  • 04.07.2011 4:11 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
IMO, it's cheap to simply go "This stuff is so advanced you can't understand it, thus making it so we don't have to even try to explain it."


Its an integral part of the story, to show there are things in this universe that are simply unexplainable; even the almighty Forerunners were left baffled. In keeping with the Halo=Bible analogy: can you explain God? No? Well there's why.

You need to know when to sacrifice techno-babble (which Halo is plenty filled with) for a good story.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I've seen it said a number of times that only 'neural weapons' can damage Precursor items and kill them. If so, forerunners got damn lucky discovering that.


They based that weapon loosely off of Precursor concepts that the Forerunners understood (very little), that of the mind, consciousness and such. The ultimate weapon against the ultimate unholy (us, of course): "complete neural destruction." Which, based around the information we have of Neural Physics, implies the death not only of your body, but of the conscious state of being. Of existing.

Like my history teacher said: "Building, creating and understanding is infinitely more complicated then tearing it all down."

[Edited on 04.07.2011 4:41 PM PDT]

  • 04.07.2011 4:28 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
IMO, it's cheap to simply go "This stuff is so advanced you can't understand it, thus making it so we don't have to even try to explain it."


Its an integral part of the story, to show there are things in this universe that are simply unexplainable; even the almighty Forerunners were left baffled. In keeping with the Halo=Bible analogy: can you explain God? No? Well there's why.

You need to know when to sacrifice techno-babble (which Halo is plenty filled with) for a good story.


Problem, obviously the Forerunners weren't baffled by it since they managed to make massive neural weapons and kill the Precursors.

Even then, it's simply just blah when you go "Neural weapon destroys building." That building would have to have a nervous system or brainwaves as somebody said.

[Edited on 04.07.2011 4:37 PM PDT]

  • 04.07.2011 4:36 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
IMO, it's cheap to simply go "This stuff is so advanced you can't understand it, thus making it so we don't have to even try to explain it."


Its an integral part of the story, to show there are things in this universe that are simply unexplainable; even the almighty Forerunners were left baffled. In keeping with the Halo=Bible analogy: can you explain God? No? Well there's why.

You need to know when to sacrifice techno-babble (which Halo is plenty filled with) for a good story.


Problem, obviously the Forerunners weren't baffled by it since they managed to make massive neural weapons and kill the Precursors.

Even then, it's simply just blah when you go "Neural weapon destroys building." That building would have to have a nervous system or brainwaves as somebody said.


Neural is different then we know the word. As is stated in the beginning of Cryptum, the book is translated from Forerunner to english in the most fitting way possible. The term "neural" in Forerunner obviously means something else. The AI translator used this word as it best fit the description of the concept.

  • 04.07.2011 4:42 PM PDT

I don't have cryptum, but if "Neural" doesn't mean the same to them then it does us, why use the term?

When discussing it, it'd save a bunch of headache then having to explain every time that "Oh, in this case Neural does not mean what it does normal."

I don't know... that whole area of discussion is partly outside my halo lore knowledge, but it seems to go in circles.

  • 04.07.2011 5:01 PM PDT

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