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Subject: Why didn't MC take over the Dreadnought instead of jumping off?

Being the Chief does actually make him tougher to kill. He's described as having astounding luck and is obviously a Determinator. Also while hes not described as being the fastest, the strongest, or the best shot, there is no doubt in my mind the Chief was probably as universally skilled as Kurt or Fred.
And after Chief temporarily locked the Dreadnaught trajectory it seems he was ordered "home" by someone.

  • 04.08.2011 9:21 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

If Jorge was in that ship things would had been different....

  • 04.08.2011 10:03 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

^ Surviving seven days of combat in a covenant factory while killing thousands of troops and disabling the factory, costing the Covenant tons of ships in the process is not contributing?

Oh yeah, they did it without shields and being teenagers, yeah they are useless.[/sarcasm]

  • 04.08.2011 11:29 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
^ Surviving seven days of combat in a covenant factory while killing thousands of troops and disabling the factory, costing the Covenant tons of ships in the process is not contributing?

Oh yeah, they did it without shields and being teenagers, yeah they are useless.[/sarcasm]


Yep. They went into situations Spartan II's would say "No way" to, and completed every objective no matter the cost.

Put Master Chief and 299 other Spartan II's in SPI armor in that mission? Every one would die.

Edit: Think of it this way, the Spartan III's got sent on the missions high command would refuse to send even Spartan II's on. Even then, they completed EVERY objective in the mission. I'd have to say that proves their worth. Hell, it took the Covenant bringing in battlecruisers to break beta companies resolve and charge.

edit2: The guy didn't read my "Average to a Spartan may be mastery to everybody else." Doesn't change the fact Chief had no specialty. He wasn't focused in anything beyond leadership, meaning any specialized Spartan could defeated him in that zone. People forget Master chief had great difficulty in Alpha Halo events. People forget a simply raging brute nearly killed Chief. People forget chief got his ass handed to him by a single spec ops elite in hand to hand, and he had to have an ODST shoot the elite up and shove it into an escape pod to win.

Edit3: Oh, fun fact. Spartan III training was better in military aspects. They were designed and trained to succeed without fancy gear, instead using teamwork and superior tactics.

[Edited on 04.09.2011 12:19 AM PDT]

  • 04.08.2011 11:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
^ Surviving seven days of combat in a covenant factory while killing thousands of troops and disabling the factory, costing the Covenant tons of ships in the process is not contributing?

Oh yeah, they did it without shields and being teenagers, yeah they are useless.[/sarcasm]


Yep. They went into situations Spartan II's would say "No way" to, and completed every objective no matter the cost.

Put Master Chief and 299 other Spartan II's in SPI armor in that mission? Every one would die.

Edit: Think of it this way, the Spartan III's got sent on the missions high command would refuse to send even Spartan II's on. Even then, they completed EVERY objective in the mission. I'd have to say that proves their worth. Hell, it took the Covenant bringing in battlecruisers to break beta companies resolve and charge.

edit2: The guy didn't read my "Average to a Spartan may be mastery to everybody else." Doesn't change the fact Chief had no specialty. He wasn't focused in anything beyond leadership, meaning any specialized Spartan could defeated him in that zone. People forget Master chief had great difficulty in Alpha Halo events. People forget a simply raging brute nearly killed Chief. People forget chief got his ass handed to him by a single spec ops elite in hand to hand, and he had to have an ODST shoot the elite up and shove it into an escape pod to win.

Edit3: Oh, fun fact. Spartan III training was better in military aspects. They were designed and trained to succeed without fancy gear, instead using teamwork and superior tactics.


They were also trained by a Spartan II, so not only did they knew everything Spartan II's were taught to do, but they could also do it better, they don't need fancy armors to get the job done. Also, they are far more heroic, you see Holy jump in front of two Hunter fuel rods to save Kelly, when did a Spartan II did that?

  • 04.09.2011 12:57 AM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
They were also trained by a Spartan II, so not only did they knew everything Spartan II's were taught to do, but they could also do it better, they don't need fancy armors to get the job done. Also, they are far more heroic, you see Holy jump in front of two Hunter fuel rods to save Kelly, when did a Spartan II did that?


Even more important in that case. She jumped infront of Kelly, without a second thought before Kelly even knew the danger (I think, can't remember).

If that isn't heroic, what is? She gave her life for a complete and utter stranger.

  • 04.09.2011 1:18 AM PDT

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There was supposed to be a level like this, it was cut though. You would fight your way through grunts and brutes and such, then jump out.

  • 04.09.2011 3:39 AM PDT

your right in saying that MC isnt specialized but dont forget he's the luckiest Spartan-II. also, most of the specialized spartans are dead. and btw spartan-III's were sent on SUICIDE missions. and spartan-II's werent sent becuz ONI had made the spartan-II's known to the public to boost morale. becuz of this ONI didnt want them sent on those missions. it was ONI's decision not the spartan-II's

  • 04.10.2011 9:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Multijirachi
There was supposed to be a level like this, it was cut though. You would fight your way through grunts and brutes and such, then jump out.


Would of been cool if they at least kept it as bonus content...

[Edited on 04.10.2011 9:39 PM PDT]

  • 04.10.2011 9:38 PM PDT

Spartans never die... they just revert to last checkpoint.


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Master Chief is not the best spartan. He's okay at everything, but great at nothing(besides luck and leadership) Master Chief can die just as easily as Kat or Emile did.



*devil's advocate*

Spartan II > Spartan III's

That doesn't mean anything. S-IIs had a habit of dying just as easily as the S-IIIs.


That and Halsey herself said Chief wasnt' the fastest, strongest, or smartest Spartan. He might be well rounded, but besides leadership and luck he wasn't truly a master of any specific thing such as Linda or Kelly or that demo specialist Spartan.

Now, average to a Spartan may be near mastery for a normal person, but it doesn't change the simple fact. Chief, no shields, headshot with a needle rifle? He's dead. Being a Spartan II doesn't make his skull tougher. Being Master Chief doesn't make him tougher to kill. It simply meant he was the leader of the Spartan II's.

You underate master chief alot. Spartans are trained to be specialist in all fields there war machines. master chief would only be a little bit slower then kelly and he was still be a great sniper. He dosn't have to be a master at anything because he already is?

And spartan 3's are -blam!-. even with armour and shielding they don't make near as much contribution as a spartan 2 does.


lets see how well you do.

  • 04.10.2011 9:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: keeno 111

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Backfjre
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Master Chief is not the best spartan. He's okay at everything, but great at nothing(besides luck and leadership) Master Chief can die just as easily as Kat or Emile did.



*devil's advocate*

Spartan II > Spartan III's

That doesn't mean anything. S-IIs had a habit of dying just as easily as the S-IIIs.


That and Halsey herself said Chief wasnt' the fastest, strongest, or smartest Spartan. He might be well rounded, but besides leadership and luck he wasn't truly a master of any specific thing such as Linda or Kelly or that demo specialist Spartan.

Now, average to a Spartan may be near mastery for a normal person, but it doesn't change the simple fact. Chief, no shields, headshot with a needle rifle? He's dead. Being a Spartan II doesn't make his skull tougher. Being Master Chief doesn't make him tougher to kill. It simply meant he was the leader of the Spartan II's.

You underate master chief alot. Spartans are trained to be specialist in all fields there war machines. master chief would only be a little bit slower then kelly and he was still be a great sniper. He dosn't have to be a master at anything because he already is?

And spartan 3's are -blam!-. even with armour and shielding they don't make near as much contribution as a spartan 2 does.


Any soldier could be the best ever but against an entire army themselves is not possible. Seriously, could you imagine all the plasma bolts and explosions all over the place? Chief would be killed in a matter of seconds, minutes if he is lucky.

  • 04.10.2011 9:58 PM PDT

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Dude there were thousands on that ship. He would have died.

  • 04.10.2011 10:06 PM PDT

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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

No way he would have been able to take over the whole thing. There were too many troops on board.

  • 05.04.2011 3:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dustin 6047
Master Chief could have blown up the engines or power source/supply. He could jump off at the last second as the ship hurtled towards Earth as a firery ball of metal. He could land on a CCS Battle Cruiser with it's shields down which is where he could have moved discretly towards the vehicle hold or whatever. From there he could have hijacked a Scarab and dropped down to Earth where he could kill a ton of Covenant with their own Scarab.

No... Where would he find the engines anyways?

  • 05.04.2011 4:04 PM PDT

Why risk dying or recapture of the game changing dreadnought back to covies?

Simple take it out so the risk of both is removed.

Afterall if you think you might die when carrying rockets you'll fire off and waste the last rocket rather than hand it over to your enemy, yes?

[Edited on 05.04.2011 4:24 PM PDT]

  • 05.04.2011 4:12 PM PDT

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That wouldn't be as epic as the Halo 3 campaign itself.
Posted by: Dustin 6047
At the end of Halo 2 and at the beginning of Halo 3, Master Chief is in the Forerunner dreadnought, so why doesn't he take it over by killing all the covys instead of jumping?

  • 05.04.2011 4:41 PM PDT
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I know this is the canon forum and all...

But the real reason is because Bungie rushed Halo 2, there was a final level featuring the MC planned on the Dreadnought, the working title was forerunnership.

Fortunately for us, we got a great cutscene to end Halo 2 instead.

From a canon point of view, I doubt one man can pilot a ship like that.

  • 05.04.2011 5:27 PM PDT

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your right in saying that MC isnt specialized but dont forget he's the luckiest Spartan-II. also, most of the specialized spartans are dead. and btw spartan-III's were sent on SUICIDE missions. and spartan-II's werent sent becuz ONI had made the spartan-II's known to the public to boost morale. becuz of this ONI didnt want them sent on those missions. it was ONI's decision not the spartan-II's

The luck thing is merely a plot device to keep Chief alive and keep Halo marketable.

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Posted by: xX3T3RN1TYXx
your right in saying that MC isnt specialized but dont forget he's the luckiest Spartan-II. also, most of the specialized spartans are dead. and btw spartan-III's were sent on SUICIDE missions. and spartan-II's werent sent becuz ONI had made the spartan-II's known to the public to boost morale. becuz of this ONI didnt want them sent on those missions. it was ONI's decision not the spartan-II's

The luck thing is merely a plot device to keep Chief alive and keep Halo marketable.


Not really seeing this is his defined trait that has always been mentioned in the books. Just like kurts innate ability to sense traps.

  • 05.04.2011 5:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: xX3T3RN1TYXx
your right in saying that MC isnt specialized but dont forget he's the luckiest Spartan-II. also, most of the specialized spartans are dead. and btw spartan-III's were sent on SUICIDE missions. and spartan-II's werent sent becuz ONI had made the spartan-II's known to the public to boost morale. becuz of this ONI didnt want them sent on those missions. it was ONI's decision not the spartan-II's

The luck thing is merely a plot device to keep Chief alive and keep Halo marketable.


Not really seeing this is his defined trait that has always been mentioned in the books. Just like kurts innate ability to sense traps.

I don't see it.

  • 05.04.2011 6:05 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: xX3T3RN1TYXx
your right in saying that MC isnt specialized but dont forget he's the luckiest Spartan-II. also, most of the specialized spartans are dead. and btw spartan-III's were sent on SUICIDE missions. and spartan-II's werent sent becuz ONI had made the spartan-II's known to the public to boost morale. becuz of this ONI didnt want them sent on those missions. it was ONI's decision not the spartan-II's

The luck thing is merely a plot device to keep Chief alive and keep Halo marketable.


Not really seeing this is his defined trait that has always been mentioned in the books. Just like kurts innate ability to sense traps.

I don't see it.


As cobra said, I see it being part character trait, part "cop out" to keep Chief alive through crazy stuff or have him narrowly escape death (Infection form on neck? Combat form clubbing him with a wrench?)

  • 05.04.2011 6:12 PM PDT

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The Brutes threw him off.

  • 05.04.2011 6:23 PM PDT

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