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Subject: "Good Gun Spartan, Send a Pelican to Pickup N6"

"Since that Cruiser is down, we can save Noble 6." - Captain Jacob Keyes in an Alternative Universe.

Stupid Canon =/

Doesn't anyone else wonder why they didn't send for Noble 6 after that Cruiser was taken down? They had time, I understand the canon reason was for Halo: CE but is there any reason that could fill it in? Such as there was no fuel for any Pelicans or such?

  • 04.08.2011 10:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101
"Since that Cruiser is down, we can save Noble 6." - Captain Jacob Keyes in an Alternative Universe.

Stupid Canon =/

Doesn't anyone else wonder why they didn't send for Noble 6 after that Cruiser was taken down? They had time, I understand the canon reason was for Halo: CE but is there any reason that could fill it in? Such as there was no fuel for any Pelicans or such?


The ship was taking off no matter what, Keyes' pelican was already en route to the Autumn, there were still several phantoms and banshees in the skies, they already just lost a pelican that could've stood by and waited.

Not really a lot going for the "lets send another pelican out" option.

  • 04.08.2011 10:13 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: mojeda101
"Since that Cruiser is down, we can save Noble 6." - Captain Jacob Keyes in an Alternative Universe.

Stupid Canon =/

Doesn't anyone else wonder why they didn't send for Noble 6 after that Cruiser was taken down? They had time, I understand the canon reason was for Halo: CE but is there any reason that could fill it in? Such as there was no fuel for any Pelicans or such?


The ship was taking off no matter what, Keyes' pelican was already en route to the Autumn, there were still several phantoms and banshees in the skies, they already just lost a pelican that could've stood by and waited.

Not really a lot going for the "lets send another pelican out" option.


I blame the Pelican that got shot down, if it wasn't shot down then they could have ganged up on the Phantom carrying the Zealots and Emile would have survived, thus, saving Six from having to shoot the Onager and letting him go to the PoA.

  • 04.08.2011 10:15 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: mojeda101
"Since that Cruiser is down, we can save Noble 6." - Captain Jacob Keyes in an Alternative Universe.

Stupid Canon =/

Doesn't anyone else wonder why they didn't send for Noble 6 after that Cruiser was taken down? They had time, I understand the canon reason was for Halo: CE but is there any reason that could fill it in? Such as there was no fuel for any Pelicans or such?


The ship was taking off no matter what, Keyes' pelican was already en route to the Autumn, there were still several phantoms and banshees in the skies, they already just lost a pelican that could've stood by and waited.

Not really a lot going for the "lets send another pelican out" option.


I blame the Pelican that got shot down, if it wasn't shot down then they could have ganged up on the Phantom carrying the Zealots and Emile would have survived, thus, saving Six from having to shoot the Onager and letting him go to the PoA.


Neither Pelican had missile racks.

  • 04.08.2011 10:20 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: mojeda101
"Since that Cruiser is down, we can save Noble 6." - Captain Jacob Keyes in an Alternative Universe.

Stupid Canon =/

Doesn't anyone else wonder why they didn't send for Noble 6 after that Cruiser was taken down? They had time, I understand the canon reason was for Halo: CE but is there any reason that could fill it in? Such as there was no fuel for any Pelicans or such?


The ship was taking off no matter what, Keyes' pelican was already en route to the Autumn, there were still several phantoms and banshees in the skies, they already just lost a pelican that could've stood by and waited.

Not really a lot going for the "lets send another pelican out" option.


I blame the Pelican that got shot down, if it wasn't shot down then they could have ganged up on the Phantom carrying the Zealots and Emile would have survived, thus, saving Six from having to shoot the Onager and letting him go to the PoA.


Neither Pelican had missile racks.


No, but they had 70mm turrets, and from the level "ONI Sword Base" a couple bursts from a 70mm turret destroys a Dropship. If you were curious I was referring to the Anti-Air Auto Canon you active when you exit the base.

  • 04.08.2011 10:28 PM PDT

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That whole scene is strange for many many reasons. In such a critical situation Keyes should have sent all of his Marines in the Pelican to back up Noble Six. Its just strange to leave the fate of the entire ship up to a single Spartan, just seems like a bad call from the Captain.

  • 04.08.2011 10:30 PM PDT


Posted by: flamedude
That whole scene is strange for many many reasons. In such a critical situation Keyes should have sent all of his Marines in the Pelican to back up Noble Six. Its just strange to leave the fate of the entire ship up to a single Spartan, just seems like a bad call from the Captain.


Agreed, what if Noble 6 died prior to getting on the Mass Driver? They would all be dead.

  • 04.08.2011 10:33 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: flamedude
That whole scene is strange for many many reasons. In such a critical situation Keyes should have sent all of his Marines in the Pelican to back up Noble Six. Its just strange to leave the fate of the entire ship up to a single Spartan, just seems like a bad call from the Captain.


Agreed, what if Noble 6 died prior to getting on the Mass Driver? They would all be dead.


It's called he knew Six could get the job done.

  • 04.08.2011 10:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: flamedude
That whole scene is strange for many many reasons. In such a critical situation Keyes should have sent all of his Marines in the Pelican to back up Noble Six. Its just strange to leave the fate of the entire ship up to a single Spartan, just seems like a bad call from the Captain.


Agreed, what if Noble 6 died prior to getting on the Mass Driver? They would all be dead.


It's called he knew Six could get the job done.

But since the fate of humanity is at stake, not to mention the lives of everyone on your ship, it would make sense to send some people to make sure everything worked out, no matter how skilled one individual may be.

Even with Master Chief they sent him Marines for important fighting.

Also, why did Keyes go on the pelican? That was a really good way to get killed. Just imagine if his pelican got shot down instead of the other one?

Keyes is dead, POA doesn't crash safely on Halo. Alpha base can't get the supplies it needs. Master Chief can't get around Halo and doesn't know about the "weapon stash" so he isn't there to fight the Flood.

From here there are two options:

1) 343 manages to fire Halo, everyone dies.

2) Flood overruns Halo, MC dies, Operation FIRST STRIKE never happens and Earth is glassed by a massive Covenant armada.

So was it really worth getting on that pelican Captain Keyes?

/speculative rant.

[Edited on 04.08.2011 11:28 PM PDT]

  • 04.08.2011 11:27 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

But....wasn't Keyes and his team the ones that re-opened the gate containing the flood that had been previously by the Covenant?

  • 04.08.2011 11:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
But....wasn't Keyes and his team the ones that re-opened the gate containing the flood that had been previously by the Covenant?

Good catch, but didn't the Covenant let it out and contain it behind that door? If it was only behind the door then it may have gotten out anyway.

Either way, if Keyes dies early then either Halo will get fired, or the Covenant will glass earth with that giant fleet MC blew up in First Strike.

  • 04.08.2011 11:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
But....wasn't Keyes and his team the ones that re-opened the gate containing the flood that had been previously by the Covenant?

Good catch, but didn't the Covenant let it out and contain it behind that door? If it was only behind the door then it may have gotten out anyway.

Either way, if Keyes dies early then either Halo will get fired, or the Covenant will glass earth with that giant fleet MC blew up in First Strike.



True, true. But I do think that the Flood was contained until Keyes' team re-opened the door.

  • 04.08.2011 11:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
But....wasn't Keyes and his team the ones that re-opened the gate containing the flood that had been previously by the Covenant?

Good catch, but didn't the Covenant let it out and contain it behind that door? If it was only behind the door then it may have gotten out anyway.

Either way, if Keyes dies early then either Halo will get fired, or the Covenant will glass earth with that giant fleet MC blew up in First Strike.



True, true. But I do think that the Flood was contained until Keyes' team re-opened the door.

Fair point, It's been too long since I've played that game.

  • 04.08.2011 11:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
But....wasn't Keyes and his team the ones that re-opened the gate containing the flood that had been previously by the Covenant?

Good catch, but didn't the Covenant let it out and contain it behind that door? If it was only behind the door then it may have gotten out anyway.

Either way, if Keyes dies early then either Halo will get fired, or the Covenant will glass earth with that giant fleet MC blew up in First Strike.



True, true. But I do think that the Flood was contained until Keyes' team re-opened the door.


The Flood was never contained after the Covenant let them out.

Recall that second squad on the surface was overrun by Flood by the time Keyes squad just entered the locked chamber down low.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
But....wasn't Keyes and his team the ones that re-opened the gate containing the flood that had been previously by the Covenant?

Good catch, but didn't the Covenant let it out and contain it behind that door? If it was only behind the door then it may have gotten out anyway.

Either way, if Keyes dies early then either Halo will get fired, or the Covenant will glass earth with that giant fleet MC blew up in First Strike.



True, true. But I do think that the Flood was contained until Keyes' team re-opened the door.


The Flood was never contained after the Covenant let them out.

Recall that second squad on the surface was overrun by Flood by the time Keyes squad just entered the locked chamber down low.

Yep. And even if Keyes didn't re open the door the covenant only "contained" the flood outbreak by locking doors. The same doors the flood were hulk smashing there way though the entire time you fought them.

  • 04.09.2011 12:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: flamedude
That whole scene is strange for many many reasons. In such a critical situation Keyes should have sent all of his Marines in the Pelican to back up Noble Six. Its just strange to leave the fate of the entire ship up to a single Spartan, just seems like a bad call from the Captain.


Agreed, what if Noble 6 died prior to getting on the Mass Driver? They would all be dead.


Keyes will trust a Spartan

  • 04.09.2011 3:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: flamedude
That whole scene is strange for many many reasons. In such a critical situation Keyes should have sent all of his Marines in the Pelican to back up Noble Six. Its just strange to leave the fate of the entire ship up to a single Spartan, just seems like a bad call from the Captain.


Agreed, what if Noble 6 died prior to getting on the Mass Driver? They would all be dead.


Keyes will trust a Spartan


Could go one step further and possibly say that, in spite of Emile being screwed quite easily, Keyes was able to put faith in a Spartan that Halsey/Cortana personally recommended such as Six or the Chief. Of course that's just rampant speculation that Keyes would judge a Spartan based on that criteria.

  • 04.09.2011 9:34 AM PDT

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Posted by: mojeda101
"Since that Cruiser is down, we can save Noble 6." - Captain Jacob Keyes in an Alternative Universe.

Stupid Canon =/

Doesn't anyone else wonder why they didn't send for Noble 6 after that Cruiser was taken down? They had time, I understand the canon reason was for Halo: CE but is there any reason that could fill it in? Such as there was no fuel for any Pelicans or such?


The ship was taking off no matter what, Keyes' pelican was already en route to the Autumn, there were still several phantoms and banshees in the skies, they already just lost a pelican that could've stood by and waited.

Not really a lot going for the "lets send another pelican out" option.


I blame the Pelican that got shot down, if it wasn't shot down then they could have ganged up on the Phantom carrying the Zealots and Emile would have survived, thus, saving Six from having to shoot the Onager and letting him go to the PoA.


Neither Pelican had missile racks.


No, but they had 70mm turrets, and from the level "ONI Sword Base" a couple bursts from a 70mm turret destroys a Dropship. If you were curious I was referring to the Anti-Air Auto Canon you active when you exit the base.
That cannon isn't 70mm. But you can shoot a Phantom down in New Alexandria, although it takes some effort - certainly too much time to prevent the elites from landing on top of Emile.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: mojeda101
"Since that Cruiser is down, we can save Noble 6." - Captain Jacob Keyes in an Alternative Universe.

Stupid Canon =/

Doesn't anyone else wonder why they didn't send for Noble 6 after that Cruiser was taken down? They had time, I understand the canon reason was for Halo: CE but is there any reason that could fill it in? Such as there was no fuel for any Pelicans or such?


The ship was taking off no matter what, Keyes' pelican was already en route to the Autumn, there were still several phantoms and banshees in the skies, they already just lost a pelican that could've stood by and waited.

Not really a lot going for the "lets send another pelican out" option.


I blame the Pelican that got shot down, if it wasn't shot down then they could have ganged up on the Phantom carrying the Zealots and Emile would have survived, thus, saving Six from having to shoot the Onager and letting him go to the PoA.


Neither Pelican had missile racks.


Yeah but they had Autocannons

  • 04.09.2011 11:36 AM PDT

Why did the cruiser engage the Autumn at point blank range?
Why didn't Keyes have the engines running and ready to go?
Why aren't any of the guns on the PoA firing?
Where is the air cover?
Where are the Archer missiles?
Why did all those Spartans who could've lived not get evacuated?
Why did the PoA not use it's MAC (and the resulting shock wave) to cripple any covenant advances on the ground and blow any aircraft out of the sky?
Why isn't 117 sent to help out?
Nukes anyone?
Kamikaze space stations/crippled ships?


All things that are wrong with that level.

[Edited on 04.09.2011 11:37 AM PDT]

  • 04.09.2011 11:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: RotaryCookie
Why did the cruiser engage the Autumn at point blank range?
Why didn't Keyes have the engines running and ready to go?
Why aren't any of the guns on the PoA firing?
Where is the air cover?
Where are the Archer missiles?
Why did all those Spartans who could've lived not get evacuated?
Why did the PoA not use it's MAC (and the resulting shock wave) to cripple any covenant advances on the ground and blow any aircraft out of the sky?
Why isn't 117 sent to help out?
Nukes anyone?
Kamikaze space stations/crippled ships?


All things that are wrong with that level.


Eh most of those questions were answered if you paid attention to the surrounding situations. Covenant have air superiority, the point defense guns on the PoA do fire, but only engage the air targets closest to it. Archers are likely not a viable option while docked as is the MAC gun, furthermore on that point there were friendlies down there too. Nukes just aren't even an option considering how close the Autumn and all friendlies are in relation to the cruiser. Either way it wouldn't deter the advances on the Autumn's flank which is where Six and the others were situated at.

Really the only things that aren't answered is what the deal is with the Chief, why didn't the cruiser use plasma torpedoes or something that didn't require it to be directly on top of the Autumn, and the most glaring inconsistency in my opinion that isn't up in your list and should be, in my opinion, is this:

Why is the cruiser incredibly slow when engaging the Autumn?

This has bothered me to no end because of one massive instance where this scenario can be compared to another scenario in the game rather than going into theoreticals with book canon and what not. In New Alexandria we bore witness to two cruisers sweep down from the skies, position itself in a rapid and graceful 180 turn, and proceed to glass the city like an eager jack rabbit in less than...what? 10-15 seconds? (rough estimate, I did not actually time this). Compare that to Pillar of Autumn where for some unknown reason the cruiser in that situation engages the Autumn at a pace best described as a snail.
Why this sudden slow down in speed? Dramatic build up be damned, it'd be far more exciting, and more importantly consistent in my opinion, if we were supposed to shoot down the glassing port of the cruiser as it barreled down the Autumn like a bat out of hell.

  • 04.09.2011 12:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Where were Joseph Staten and Jason Jones when the story for this game was being written? Up until PoA it was bearable, but as a supposed "swan song" super-level to send out the Halo franchise it was really, really bad (story-wise. The gameplay was great.)
My problems with it were:
-The whole "fragment of Cortana" was an ass-pull, as was the "latchkey" artifact that was never mentioned before and is never mentioned again. Why make up this stuff then try to insert it into canon when they had so much similar prior canon to work with?
-Noble Team's exaggerated importance throughout the entire campaign, but here especially.
-Jun falls into a plot hole and is never seen again.
-Carter's stupid decisions and bad piloting.
-Emile's failure to check his radar without any lampshading on the matter.
-Noble 6's choice to go down with the metaphorical ship.
-Not enough development of the Field Marshall from Winter Contingency, the one that also killed Kat and is finally confronted and killed by 6 by the Onager. He could've been a cool Zuka 'Zamamee-style nemesis for Noble 6, but he's left undeveloped like the rest of the characters.
-Never seeing Holland. He's just a voice you hear over the radio with no insight regarding his motives or other aspects of a good character. Also, why didn't we get to see or even hear mention of the BAMF that is Col. Stanforth?
-"Space drydock."

All the story in this game accomplished was taking a few archetypes from TFoR, recycling them horribly with underdeveloped characters of exaggerated significance all for the sake of crapping over the previous canon.

  • 04.09.2011 1:29 PM PDT

Emile's failure to check his motion tracker? You don't know what you are talking about. The second elite dropped onto the gun, while the phantom was overheard. The drop wouldn't have been seen due to the phantom being a bigger blip overtop of the zealot.

When the zealot advanced, it moved slow enough to not appear on the motion tracker (trust me, I've done it ingame where if you walk slowly without crouching, you won't pop up.)

Carter's stupid decisions and bad piloting? What?

Not enough development of the field marshall..and how the hell would we get development on him bar Covenant-side missions or dedicated cutscenes? Elites aren't really the type to kill somebody and do a big speech before running off.

space drydock... and that means?

Okay, so because the 'latchkey' data from the Forerunner structure was just added to the canon and WASN'T talked about anywhere else means it's retarded right? So then Grey team is retarded since they appeared in Cole Protocol, and have never been referenced since.

And what would you do if you learned that those two helped write the campaign(Which they probably did if they are part of the campaign/writing team.)? Freak out more? Accept that the campaign fits into canon in ways we don't fully understand due to not having the HSB?

  • 04.09.2011 2:00 PM PDT

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