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Subject: Population of "Earth" BEFORE the invasion of Earth.

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I think it was 200 billion total before the war, 200 million on Earth after the war.

  • 04.13.2011 4:57 PM PDT
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For some reason Earth Having 20 billion doesn't sit well with me, but then again with better tech advances i guess it could support far more people.

Plus the buildings are made up not wide, thus saving space.

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Halo: Encyclopedia seems to have some, if not a lot of errors. It's not simply possible to wipe out half of Earth's population with only one Assault Carrier that barely makes it to Earth's surface, deciding to make a brief visit to Mombasa. Then again, I'm not sure if you can evacuate millions, if not billions of people in a matter of days.

  • 04.13.2011 5:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: manwith
Halo: Encyclopedia seems to have some, if not a lot of errors. It's not simply possible to wipe out half of Earth's population with only one Assault Carrier that barely makes it to Earth's surface, deciding to make a brief visit to Mombasa. Then again, I'm not sure if you can evacuate millions, if not billions of people in a matter of days.


The covenant Assault was world wide and lasted for a month, to me the numbers add up.


you have to consider people that were actually killed, then the ones that died of wounds, you then have the missing people.

  • 04.13.2011 5:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: manwith
Halo: Encyclopedia seems to have some, if not a lot of errors. It's not simply possible to wipe out half of Earth's population with only one Assault Carrier that barely makes it to Earth's surface, deciding to make a brief visit to Mombasa. Then again, I'm not sure if you can evacuate millions, if not billions of people in a matter of days.


The covenant Assault was world wide and lasted for a month, to me the numbers add up.


you have to consider people that were actually killed, then the ones that died of wounds, you then have the missing people.


Yeah, but the book states that half of Earth's population was gone as soon as the First Battle of Earth began. It would be far more reliable if it pointed more towards the end of the battle.

  • 04.13.2011 5:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dustin 6047
Well we know or can assume this so far:
-Earth population before invasion: 20 billion
-Earth population after invasion: 200 million
-Total Human population before war: ???
-Total Human population after war: 200 million (Earth) + 500 million (Forseti) + other surviving colonies = around 1 billion


Just figured out that if the total death count is 23 billion, then that plus the 1 billion survivors gives us 24 billion humans before war.


Not accurate, so many babies could be made in 27 years.

  • 04.13.2011 5:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dustin 6047
Well we know or can assume this so far:
-Earth population before invasion: 20 billion

Source?

Posted by: Dustin 6047
-Total Human population after war: 200 million (Earth) + 500 million (Forseti) + other surviving colonies = around 1 billion

You cannot assume that. Also, you are implying that Lenapi, tribute, Cygnus, Minister and possibly the Jovian moons collectively having a population of only 300 million, despite Minister being an established Inner Colony. Until we have either a definite number for before the war or a definite number for after the war then we cannot say anything.

Posted by: Dustin 6047
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Okay. Whoever wrote that sub-section should be shot. The grammar is absolutely appalling.

Secondly, Halsey's "population estimate" for Humanity was not a population estimate at all. It was the number of genetic profiles required in order to find the correct genetic markers suitable for the S-II program, given the astronomical improbability of finding them.

The rest of it is nonsense based on the above.

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Posted by: manwith
Halo: Encyclopedia seems to have some, if not a lot of errors. It's not simply possible to wipe out half of Earth's population with only one Assault Carrier that barely makes it to Earth's surface, deciding to make a brief visit to Mombasa. Then again, I'm not sure if you can evacuate millions, if not billions of people in a matter of days.


The covenant Assault was world wide and lasted for a month, to me the numbers add up.


you have to consider people that were actually killed, then the ones that died of wounds, you then have the missing people.


Yeah, but the book states that half of Earth's population was gone as soon as the First Battle of Earth began. It would be far more reliable if it pointed more towards the end of the battle.


How? 15 ships that were mostly desstroyed; left with 7 CCS Battle Cruisers and 1 damaged Assault Carrier after breaking the defenses.

Your saying that killed 10 billion people in a day or 2.


Well lets look at the full picture. Is it not possible that the cruisers let out corvettes that went to deploy troops planetwide?

The MACS wouldn't hit the corvettes and maybe they have camo? don't forget about Spirits and Phantoms being deployed en masse also.

All that being looked at a could honestly see 10 billion killed in a week easy. 1 or 2 days? Debatable, thought all a ship would have to do is "glass" a city and thats millions right there maybe even a billion.

  • 04.13.2011 5:23 PM PDT

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It was mentioned in Contact Harvest that Chicago covered several states (3 I think). With these sorts of Megacities on the surface population densities will be very high. Even small bombardments are going to cause rapidly increasing death tolls. Look at the size of the explosive shockwaves in the Reach trailer LNoS, done by one ship.

Also remember that ships began showing up at the end of ODST, only a few hours after Regret left. The Covenant began increasing their presence almost immediately.

Hours does seem a little bit too short even with these things taken into consideration. Days would have been better.

  • 04.13.2011 5:44 PM PDT

29 billion before the war, 2 billion after the war.

  • 04.13.2011 6:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: mojeda101
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Posted by: Dustin 6047
Well we know or can assume this so far:
-Earth population before invasion: 20 billion
-Earth population after invasion: 200 million
-Total Human population before war: ???
-Total Human population after war: 200 million (Earth) + 500 million (Forseti) + other surviving colonies = around 1 billion


Just figured out that if the total death count is 23 billion, then that plus the 1 billion survivors gives us 24 billion humans before war.


Not accurate, so many babies could be made in 27 years.


Human population fell over the 27 years. Not a sudden change during first contact. Those children born during the wars simply died out as most colonies were glassed.

A safe assumption would be that there are somewhere between 2-4 billion humans left. Covenant glassed most colonies not all and there are probably some rebel occupied space where the population is probably not recorded in the UNSC database.

[Edited on 04.13.2011 10:12 PM PDT]

  • 04.13.2011 10:10 PM PDT
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There is evidence to suggest that Earth's population will peak at around 8 to 10 billion people within the next few decades. Given a slight increase in population over 500 years, 20 billion is a bit high of a guess. I would say that Earth's population would more likely be around 12 billion or so before invaded.

  • 04.13.2011 11:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: Reclaimer 416
There is evidence to suggest that Earth's population will peak at around 8 to 10 billion people within the next few decades. Given a slight increase in population over 500 years, 20 billion is a bit high of a guess. I would say that Earth's population would more likely be around 12 billion or so before invaded.


Assuming that there was no second depression due to a mass shortage in oil in around 2100, I'd say 12 billion sounds like a decent number. I remember reading an article that detailed Earth's population just before the invention of the slipspace drive that stated exactly how many people were on Earth. I'll try to find that number.

  • 04.14.2011 4:05 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

The "first battle of Earth" would still be part of the weeks before the Chief arrived, isn't it? I always hated those classifications. First battle was everything that happened before Sierra 117 right?

Anyways, Earth having 20 Billion sounds right. There was MASSIVE cities set up all over the world. And considering our advances in science, people were living longer, and more people were being born.

  • 04.14.2011 4:22 AM PDT

Considering how the coveanant's firepower have been massively downgraded (they can't literally glass entire planets now even with hundreds)I think 200 million humans left on earth after the war sounds quite ridiculous and the amount of ships Truth had before going to the Ark unless most of them got destroyed by the ODPs but took them down with them.

Also I think the amount of humans before the Human-Coveneant war is around 39 billion due to Halsey's diary.

  • 04.14.2011 8:48 AM PDT

I'm guessing the guy who decided that humanity's remaining population was 200 million didn't really give that number a lot of thought.

There's no way an interstellar civilization could persist with so few people in it.

  • 04.23.2011 11:18 PM PDT

Remember that Lord Hood said the fleet that destroyed Reach was 50x the size of the one that initially attacked Earth. Dialogue heard over the comms early in Halo 2 suggests that the Covenant ships that broke through Earth's defenses were few and had one specific destination in mind, which was New Mombassa.

Truth did reinforce the battle, but again, his ships only stopped over New Mombassa, because once they uncovered the portal to The Ark, they all went in and the Covenant threat was ended. The number of Elite ships left behind couldn't have been that many, because the Loyalist ships over The Ark outnumbered them 3 to 1.

So the first wave was small because Regret misjudged Earth's defenses, and the second wave was small because they were coming straight from a Flood-infested High Charity. With so few ships they had to concentrate on their objective, not circle the globe flattening cities.

Like I said. The guy who invented the whole "200 million survivors" figure probably didn't know much about Halo.

  • 04.24.2011 7:43 AM PDT
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Tons of Earth-faring humans were killed by the Covenant during the Battle of Earth. Many more were slaughtered by the Flood in Africa, and its immediate glassing.

  • 04.24.2011 8:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cross88
I'm guessing the guy who decided that humanity's remaining population was 200 million didn't really give that number a lot of thought.

There's no way an interstellar civilization could persist with so few people in it.

Not even a global civilisation confined to one planet could survive with 200 million, especially with Earth in its current state. Every major city is likely to be destroyed, there will be no infrastructure intact and very little communications left. Those 200 million will be scattered all across the planet, isolated. Those that survive on their own would descend into anarchism over the inevitable food shortages that would follow from there being virtually no production capabilities left anywhere. Humanity would cease to exist as a civilisation. It would be a one way ticket back to the stone ages.

  • 04.24.2011 8:35 AM PDT

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