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Subject: The American Military (Fallout) vs The UNSC

Poll: The American Military (Fallout) vs The UNSC  [closed]
America:  16%
(10 Votes)
UNSC:  84%
(51 Votes)
Total Votes: 61

In a cross between these two forces, the UNSC and the pre-war Fallout United States Army, who wins? This is a strict ground engagement, no spacecraft for use other than transporting troops and orbital strikes. Each side has the same amount of troops at their disposal.

I'm gonna have to go with America here. Sure, the UNSC has Spartans and firearms that are much more advanced than in Fallout, not to mention hardier troops and vehicles, but the American military can better produce power armor, energy weapons, and they have orbital strikes that would be much more precise than a MAC Cannon.

  • 04.10.2011 10:21 AM PDT

UNSC for sure. With a Super MAC you don't have to be accurate. Besides which, Spartans. Fallout power armour is in now way comparible to Mjolnir.

  • 04.10.2011 10:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: Nomanisat
UNSC for sure. With a Super MAC you don't have to be accurate. Besides which, Spartans. Fallout power armour is in now way comparible to Mjolnir.


But power armour is standard for all soldiers. You also have to remember, the pre-fallout america has weapons that put UNSC to shame.

  • 04.10.2011 10:26 AM PDT
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Oh the irony,at first you said no starships are allowed then you blatter about orbital bombardements.

UNSC wins,they can quickly put small factorees on ground as seen in HW

  • 04.10.2011 10:30 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II
Oh the irony,at first you said no starships are allowed then you blatter about orbital bombardements.

Will you actually read the damn thing before you post?

  • 04.10.2011 10:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: hotshot revan II
Oh the irony,at first you said no starships are allowed then you blatter about orbital bombardements.

UNSC wins,they can quickly put small factorees on ground as seen in HW


....this is terrible reasoning. Have you played fallout tactics? Exact same.

  • 04.10.2011 10:32 AM PDT


Posted by: Scoopicus
In a cross between these two forces, the UNSC and the pre-war Fallout United States Army, who wins? This is a strict ground engagement, no spacecraft for use other than transporting troops and orbital strikes . Each side has the same amount of troops at their disposal.

I'm gonna have to go with America here. Sure, the UNSC has Spartans and firearms that are much more advanced than in Fallout, not to mention hardier troops and vehicles, but the American military can better produce power armor, energy weapons, and they have orbital strikes that would be much more precise than a MAC Cannon.


UNSC. The American military never had advanced spacecraft like the UNSC did. A Frigate MAC on full charge dropping on the American forces would be like dropping 3 Hiroshima bombs at once (Frigate MAC were rated at something like 64 kilotons last I checked, and the Hiroshima bomb was about 20)

Plus the UNSC have the advantage of rail-gun technology, like the Cobra, and the unstoppable behemoth, the Vulture. Rhino plasma mortars, and so on. Plus the only weapons the American forces have that could definitely penetrate the MJOLNIR armor of Spartans without assuming anything would be plasma weapons, which were difficult to produce. The T-51 power armor (while quite effective and more readily available) is still susceptible to conventional firearms like bullets. (If you read the Fall of Reach, they make mention of bullets bouncing off of the Chief's armor.)

EDIT: Just read about the orbital platforms in Fallout. Sorry ):

[Edited on 04.10.2011 10:36 AM PDT]

  • 04.10.2011 10:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: hotshot revan II
Oh the irony,at first you said no starships are allowed then you blatter about orbital bombardements.

Will you actually read the damn thing before you post?


Oh,sorry

[Edited on 04.10.2011 10:36 AM PDT]

  • 04.10.2011 10:36 AM PDT

isn't this in the wrong forum?

  • 04.10.2011 10:36 AM PDT

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Really?

So, first then since fallout gets orbital guns, we get SMAC's.
Problem solved.
UNSC wins already, the SMAC's have a destructive capacity of bunches of nukes.

Spartans are well trained, and through this fallout army, I'd expect 1% dead from ground gunfire, because our SMAC's already cleared all of that and the rest from orbital strikes.


Look, if they start out with the same, who do you think wins?


1v1 Spartan and fallout trooper.
Right?


Also, our orbital bombardments are in comparison, highly effective.

[Edited on 04.10.2011 10:41 AM PDT]

  • 04.10.2011 10:37 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Scoopicus
In a cross between these two forces, the UNSC and the pre-war Fallout United States Army, who wins? This is a strict ground engagement, no spacecraft for use other than transporting troops and orbital strikes . Each side has the same amount of troops at their disposal.

I'm gonna have to go with America here. Sure, the UNSC has Spartans and firearms that are much more advanced than in Fallout, not to mention hardier troops and vehicles, but the American military can better produce power armor, energy weapons, and they have orbital strikes that would be much more precise than a MAC Cannon.


UNSC. The American military never had advanced spacecraft like the UNSC did. A Frigate MAC on full charge dropping on the American forces would be like dropping 3 Hiroshima bombs at once (Frigate MAC were rated at something like 64 kilotons last I checked, and the Hiroshima bomb was about 20)

Plus the UNSC have the advantage of rail-gun technology, like the Cobra, and the unstoppable behemoth, the Vulture. Rhino plasma mortars, and so on. Plus the only weapons the American forces have that could definitely penetrate the MJOLNIR armor of Spartans without assuming anything would be plasma weapons, which were difficult to produce. The T-51 power armor (while quite effective and more readily available) is still susceptible to conventional firearms like bullets. (If you read the Fall of Reach, they make mention of bullets bouncing off of the Chief's armor.)

EDIT: Just read about the orbital platforms in Fallout. Sorry ):


What can the fallout 'orbital strikes' do?

Can they beat a Super MAC rounds impact force? Which could, if I remember, crack the crust and cause massive damage?

  • 04.10.2011 10:38 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Scoopicus
In a cross between these two forces, the UNSC and the pre-war Fallout United States Army, who wins? This is a strict ground engagement, no spacecraft for use other than transporting troops and orbital strikes . Each side has the same amount of troops at their disposal.

I'm gonna have to go with America here. Sure, the UNSC has Spartans and firearms that are much more advanced than in Fallout, not to mention hardier troops and vehicles, but the American military can better produce power armor, energy weapons, and they have orbital strikes that would be much more precise than a MAC Cannon.


UNSC. The American military never had advanced spacecraft like the UNSC did. A Frigate MAC on full charge dropping on the American forces would be like dropping 3 Hiroshima bombs at once (Frigate MAC were rated at something like 64 kilotons last I checked, and the Hiroshima bomb was about 20)

True, but the United States has orbital platforms that can sling nukes precisely wherever they need to go, and at a higher speed than a MAC gun can reload.

Plus the UNSC have the advantage of rail-gun technology, like the Cobra, and the unstoppable behemoth, the Vulture. Rhino plasma mortars, and so on. Plus the only weapons the American forces have that could definitely penetrate the MJOLNIR armor of Spartans without assuming anything would be plasma weapons, which were difficult to produce. The T-51 power armor (while quite effective and more readily available) is still susceptible to conventional firearms like bullets. (If you read the Fall of Reach, they make mention of bullets bouncing off of the Chief's armor.)
The Americans have harnessed Gauss technology as well, and have compacted it into a small arm. Not to mention, American plasma weaponry is generally more advanced than UNSC plasma weaponry, considering it's all still experimental, besides the Rhino platforms. Even still, Power Armor deflects bullets just as well as Mjonlir armor, and without the shields, makes it much more producable. You only need limited training to use it, as opposed to Mjolnir armor, where you need genetic augmentations to use it safely. By the time of the Great War, power armor was commonly use on the battlefield.

[Edited on 04.10.2011 10:42 AM PDT]

  • 04.10.2011 10:41 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: hotshot revan II
Oh the irony,at first you said no starships are allowed then you blatter about orbital bombardements.

Will you actually read the damn thing before you post?


Oh,sorry

It's ok, you had a rough day.

  • 04.10.2011 10:42 AM PDT


Posted by: Scoopicus
In a cross between these two forces, the UNSC and the pre-war Fallout United States Army, who wins? This is a strict ground engagement, no spacecraft for use other than transporting troops and orbital strikes. Each side has the same amount of troops at their disposal.

I'm gonna have to go with America here. Sure, the UNSC has Spartans and firearms that are much more advanced than in Fallout, not to mention hardier troops and vehicles, but the American military can better produce power armor, energy weapons, and they have orbital strikes that would be much more precise than a MAC Cannon.


1) Yes, they can better produce power armor, but heres a few things to consider. For one, it isn't even close to matching the MJOLNIR suit. Second, it was not standard issue (common misconception; play the Anchorage DLC for Fallout 3).

2) Bullets are bullets. If I shot someone with a .44, he dies. If I shot him with a American Plasma Rifle, he dies. The only significant advantage to plasma weaponry is its stopping power, but it doesn't make a whole lot of difference when the UNSC's bullets are basically just as effective.

3) AIs firing a MAC don't miss.

Q: Can the orbital platforms and the ships try to destroy each other?

  • 04.10.2011 10:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Scoopicus
In a cross between these two forces, the UNSC and the pre-war Fallout United States Army, who wins? This is a strict ground engagement, no spacecraft for use other than transporting troops and orbital strikes . Each side has the same amount of troops at their disposal.

I'm gonna have to go with America here. Sure, the UNSC has Spartans and firearms that are much more advanced than in Fallout, not to mention hardier troops and vehicles, but the American military can better produce power armor, energy weapons, and they have orbital strikes that would be much more precise than a MAC Cannon.


UNSC. The American military never had advanced spacecraft like the UNSC did. A Frigate MAC on full charge dropping on the American forces would be like dropping 3 Hiroshima bombs at once (Frigate MAC were rated at something like 64 kilotons last I checked, and the Hiroshima bomb was about 20)[/url]
True, but the United States has orbital platforms that can sling nukes precisely wherever they need to go, and at a higher speed than a MAC gun can reload.

[url]Plus the UNSC have the advantage of rail-gun technology, like the Cobra, and the unstoppable behemoth, the Vulture. Rhino plasma mortars, and so on. Plus the only weapons the American forces have that could definitely penetrate the MJOLNIR armor of Spartans without assuming anything would be plasma weapons, which were difficult to produce. The T-51 power armor (while quite effective and more readily available) is still susceptible to conventional firearms like bullets. (If you read the Fall of Reach, they make mention of bullets bouncing off of the Chief's armor.)

The Americans have harnessed Gauss technology as well, and have compacted it into a small arm. Not to mention, American plasma weaponry is generally more advanced than UNSC plasma weaponry, considering it's all still experimental, besides the Rhino platforms. Even still, Power Armor deflects bullets just as well as Mjonlir armor, and without the shields, makes it much more producable. You only need limited training to use it, as opposed to Mjolnir armor, where you need genetic augmentations to use it safely. By the time of the Great War, power armor was commonly use on the battlefield.

Really?

So, first then since fallout gets orbital guns, we get SMAC's.
Problem solved.
UNSC wins already, the SMAC's have a destructive capacity of bunches of nukes.

Spartans are well trained, and through this fallout army, I'd expect 1% dead from ground gunfire, because our SMAC's already cleared all of that and the rest from orbital strikes.


Look, if they start out with the same, who do you think wins?


1v1 Spartan and fallout trooper.
Right?


Also, our orbital bombardments are in comparison, highly effective.

  • 04.10.2011 10:42 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Scoopicus
In a cross between these two forces, the UNSC and the pre-war Fallout United States Army, who wins? This is a strict ground engagement, no spacecraft for use other than transporting troops and orbital strikes . Each side has the same amount of troops at their disposal.

I'm gonna have to go with America here. Sure, the UNSC has Spartans and firearms that are much more advanced than in Fallout, not to mention hardier troops and vehicles, but the American military can better produce power armor, energy weapons, and they have orbital strikes that would be much more precise than a MAC Cannon.


UNSC. The American military never had advanced spacecraft like the UNSC did. A Frigate MAC on full charge dropping on the American forces would be like dropping 3 Hiroshima bombs at once (Frigate MAC were rated at something like 64 kilotons last I checked, and the Hiroshima bomb was about 20)

Plus the UNSC have the advantage of rail-gun technology, like the Cobra, and the unstoppable behemoth, the Vulture. Rhino plasma mortars, and so on. Plus the only weapons the American forces have that could definitely penetrate the MJOLNIR armor of Spartans without assuming anything would be plasma weapons, which were difficult to produce. The T-51 power armor (while quite effective and more readily available) is still susceptible to conventional firearms like bullets. (If you read the Fall of Reach, they make mention of bullets bouncing off of the Chief's armor.)

EDIT: Just read about the orbital platforms in Fallout. Sorry ):


What can the fallout 'orbital strikes' do?

Can they beat a Super MAC rounds impact force? Which could, if I remember, crack the crust and cause massive damage?


No, they're nuclear launch pads.

  • 04.10.2011 10:43 AM PDT

I can bet you their Gauss rifles aren't as powerful as the cobra's main railgun, or it's duel gauss cannons. Or the warthog's gauss cannon.

Or the Sparrowhawk's chin mounted splazer. Or a basic splazer...

Or the stanchion rifle, which is a gauss rifle.

  • 04.10.2011 10:43 AM PDT

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The idea of orbital bombardment is stupid.

Now both sides die, it just depends who's orbital bombardment gets there first.

UNSC wins, first, then the launch pad missiles get there, now the whole damn planet's gone.

  • 04.10.2011 10:45 AM PDT


Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Scoopicus
In a cross between these two forces, the UNSC and the pre-war Fallout United States Army, who wins? This is a strict ground engagement, no spacecraft for use other than transporting troops and orbital strikes . Each side has the same amount of troops at their disposal.

I'm gonna have to go with America here. Sure, the UNSC has Spartans and firearms that are much more advanced than in Fallout, not to mention hardier troops and vehicles, but the American military can better produce power armor, energy weapons, and they have orbital strikes that would be much more precise than a MAC Cannon.


UNSC. The American military never had advanced spacecraft like the UNSC did. A Frigate MAC on full charge dropping on the American forces would be like dropping 3 Hiroshima bombs at once (Frigate MAC were rated at something like 64 kilotons last I checked, and the Hiroshima bomb was about 20)

True, but the United States has orbital platforms that can sling nukes precisely wherever they need to go, and at a higher speed than a MAC gun can reload.

Plus the UNSC have the advantage of rail-gun technology, like the Cobra, and the unstoppable behemoth, the Vulture. Rhino plasma mortars, and so on. Plus the only weapons the American forces have that could definitely penetrate the MJOLNIR armor of Spartans without assuming anything would be plasma weapons, which were difficult to produce. The T-51 power armor (while quite effective and more readily available) is still susceptible to conventional firearms like bullets. (If you read the Fall of Reach, they make mention of bullets bouncing off of the Chief's armor.)
The Americans have harnessed Gauss technology as well, and have compacted it into a small arm. Not to mention, American plasma weaponry is generally more advanced than UNSC plasma weaponry, considering it's all still experimental, besides the Rhino platforms. Even still, Power Armor deflects bullets just as well as Mjonlir armor, and without the shields, makes it much more producable. You only need limited training to use it, as opposed to Mjolnir armor, where you need genetic augmentations to use it safely. By the time of the Great War, power armor was commonly use on the battlefield.


Love me some Gauss Rifle :)

It is true that they compressed Gauss tech into a small arm (well, heavy rifle) And could quite easily gut a Wharthog, the UNSC equal--Cobras, Gauss hogs and so on--is significantly more devestating/faster loading (I'd day the rifle and gauss hog do about the same ammount of damage; both cause you to 'splode into a fantastically gorey mess).

  • 04.10.2011 10:47 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron


Or the stanchion rifle, which is a gauss rifle.


Oh yeah! Forgot about that.

Message to 343i: Stanchion. Halo 4. Nao!

  • 04.10.2011 10:47 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Scoopicus
In a cross between these two forces, the UNSC and the pre-war Fallout United States Army, who wins? This is a strict ground engagement, no spacecraft for use other than transporting troops and orbital strikes. Each side has the same amount of troops at their disposal.

I'm gonna have to go with America here. Sure, the UNSC has Spartans and firearms that are much more advanced than in Fallout, not to mention hardier troops and vehicles, but the American military can better produce power armor, energy weapons, and they have orbital strikes that would be much more precise than a MAC Cannon.


1) Yes, they can better produce power armor, but heres a few things to consider. For one, it isn't even close to matching the MJOLNIR suit. Second, it was not standard issue (common misconception; play the Anchorage DLC for Fallout 3).

2) Bullets are bullets. If I shot someone with a .44, he dies. If I shot him with a American Plasma Rifle, he dies. The only significant advantage to plasma weaponry is its stopping power, but it doesn't make a whole lot of difference when the UNSC's bullets are basically just as effective.

3) AIs firing a MAC don't miss.

Q: Can the orbital platforms and the ships try to destroy each other?

1. By the time of the Great War, power armor was being used all over the place. It wouldn't take the place of normal soldiers, but it was certainly much more prevalent than Mjolnir armor. And also, the defensive power of a T-51b was similar, if not superior to Mjolnir when it came to solid rounds fire.

2. That is not true at all. A plasma rifle would tear through shielding and armor much more efficiently than a firearm in almost every case.

3. AI's control the firing of orbital nuclear platforms as well.

And sure, I suppose.

  • 04.10.2011 10:47 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Scoopicus
In a cross between these two forces, the UNSC and the pre-war Fallout United States Army, who wins? This is a strict ground engagement, no spacecraft for use other than transporting troops and orbital strikes . Each side has the same amount of troops at their disposal.

I'm gonna have to go with America here. Sure, the UNSC has Spartans and firearms that are much more advanced than in Fallout, not to mention hardier troops and vehicles, but the American military can better produce power armor, energy weapons, and they have orbital strikes that would be much more precise than a MAC Cannon.


UNSC. The American military never had advanced spacecraft like the UNSC did. A Frigate MAC on full charge dropping on the American forces would be like dropping 3 Hiroshima bombs at once (Frigate MAC were rated at something like 64 kilotons last I checked, and the Hiroshima bomb was about 20)

True, but the United States has orbital platforms that can sling nukes precisely wherever they need to go, and at a higher speed than a MAC gun can reload.

Plus the UNSC have the advantage of rail-gun technology, like the Cobra, and the unstoppable behemoth, the Vulture. Rhino plasma mortars, and so on. Plus the only weapons the American forces have that could definitely penetrate the MJOLNIR armor of Spartans without assuming anything would be plasma weapons, which were difficult to produce. The T-51 power armor (while quite effective and more readily available) is still susceptible to conventional firearms like bullets. (If you read the Fall of Reach, they make mention of bullets bouncing off of the Chief's armor.)
The Americans have harnessed Gauss technology as well, and have compacted it into a small arm. Not to mention, American plasma weaponry is generally more advanced than UNSC plasma weaponry, considering it's all still experimental, besides the Rhino platforms. Even still, Power Armor deflects bullets just as well as Mjonlir armor, and without the shields, makes it much more producable. You only need limited training to use it, as opposed to Mjolnir armor, where you need genetic augmentations to use it safely. By the time of the Great War, power armor was commonly use on the battlefield.


Love me some Gauss Rifle :)

It is true that they compressed Gauss tech into a small arm (well, heavy rifle) And could quite easily gut a Wharthog, the UNSC equal--Cobras, Gauss hogs and so on--is significantly more devestating/faster loading (I'd day the rifle and gauss hog do about the same ammount of damage; both cause you to 'splode into a fantastically gorey mess).


True, but those gauss guns have to be mounted. These are man-potable and easily fireable. I do believe there are larger gauss weapons though as well.

  • 04.10.2011 10:50 AM PDT


Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Scoopicus
In a cross between these two forces, the UNSC and the pre-war Fallout United States Army, who wins? This is a strict ground engagement, no spacecraft for use other than transporting troops and orbital strikes. Each side has the same amount of troops at their disposal.

I'm gonna have to go with America here. Sure, the UNSC has Spartans and firearms that are much more advanced than in Fallout, not to mention hardier troops and vehicles, but the American military can better produce power armor, energy weapons, and they have orbital strikes that would be much more precise than a MAC Cannon.


1) Yes, they can better produce power armor, but heres a few things to consider. For one, it isn't even close to matching the MJOLNIR suit. Second, it was not standard issue (common misconception; play the Anchorage DLC for Fallout 3).

2) Bullets are bullets. If I shot someone with a .44, he dies. If I shot him with a American Plasma Rifle, he dies. The only significant advantage to plasma weaponry is its stopping power, but it doesn't make a whole lot of difference when the UNSC's bullets are basically just as effective.

3) AIs firing a MAC don't miss.

Q: Can the orbital platforms and the ships try to destroy each other?

1. By the time of the Great War, power armor was being used all over the place. It wouldn't take the place of normal soldiers, but it was certainly much more prevalent than Mjolnir armor. And also, the defensive power of a T-51b was similar, if not superior to Mjolnir when it came to solid rounds fire.

2. That is not true at all. A plasma rifle would tear through shielding and armor much more efficiently than a firearm in almost every case.

3. AI's control the firing of orbital nuclear platforms as well.

And sure, I suppose.


My main point about number two was pointing out that neither side truly has and shielding except for the Spartans, which are rare. I know plasma>bullets, but again, without any shielding, a man will die getting hit by either one just the same.

  • 04.10.2011 10:50 AM PDT


Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Scoopicus
In a cross between these two forces, the UNSC and the pre-war Fallout United States Army, who wins? This is a strict ground engagement, no spacecraft for use other than transporting troops and orbital strikes . Each side has the same amount of troops at their disposal.

I'm gonna have to go with America here. Sure, the UNSC has Spartans and firearms that are much more advanced than in Fallout, not to mention hardier troops and vehicles, but the American military can better produce power armor, energy weapons, and they have orbital strikes that would be much more precise than a MAC Cannon.


UNSC. The American military never had advanced spacecraft like the UNSC did. A Frigate MAC on full charge dropping on the American forces would be like dropping 3 Hiroshima bombs at once (Frigate MAC were rated at something like 64 kilotons last I checked, and the Hiroshima bomb was about 20)

True, but the United States has orbital platforms that can sling nukes precisely wherever they need to go, and at a higher speed than a MAC gun can reload.

Plus the UNSC have the advantage of rail-gun technology, like the Cobra, and the unstoppable behemoth, the Vulture. Rhino plasma mortars, and so on. Plus the only weapons the American forces have that could definitely penetrate the MJOLNIR armor of Spartans without assuming anything would be plasma weapons, which were difficult to produce. The T-51 power armor (while quite effective and more readily available) is still susceptible to conventional firearms like bullets. (If you read the Fall of Reach, they make mention of bullets bouncing off of the Chief's armor.)
The Americans have harnessed Gauss technology as well, and have compacted it into a small arm. Not to mention, American plasma weaponry is generally more advanced than UNSC plasma weaponry, considering it's all still experimental, besides the Rhino platforms. Even still, Power Armor deflects bullets just as well as Mjonlir armor, and without the shields, makes it much more producable. You only need limited training to use it, as opposed to Mjolnir armor, where you need genetic augmentations to use it safely. By the time of the Great War, power armor was commonly use on the battlefield.


Love me some Gauss Rifle :)

It is true that they compressed Gauss tech into a small arm (well, heavy rifle) And could quite easily gut a Wharthog, the UNSC equal--Cobras, Gauss hogs and so on--is significantly more devestating/faster loading (I'd day the rifle and gauss hog do about the same ammount of damage; both cause you to 'splode into a fantastically gorey mess).


True, but those gauss guns have to be mounted. These are man-potable and easily fireable. I do believe there are larger gauss weapons though as well.


So is--as Faron pointed out--the UNSC Stanchion rifle.

  • 04.10.2011 10:51 AM PDT

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  • 04.10.2011 10:51 AM PDT