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Subject: The American Military (Fallout) vs The UNSC


Posted by: mojeda101
Lol at all of this.

Lets put it with the numbers the UNSC have at disposal. You said 1 million vs 1 million correct?

930 Spartan III
33 Spartan II
499,037 ODST
250,000 UNSC Marines
250,000 UNSC Army Troopers

Of course the UNSC have more than that, although it was limited to your simple 1 million.

These are what I would deploy, with Spartans on the field, that would give the troops so much moral.

That means that there are more ODST's than standard troops.

By that logic, about half of the American military would be robots here.

  • 04.10.2011 2:13 PM PDT

problem is though, MAC won't miss, not at the ranges we are talking about here, from even high orbit to ground will be seconds from leaving the barrel to impact. also don't see why an Archer couldn't double up as a ground attack weapon, its a missile and missiles go where they are told, be it an enemy warship or a bunker, makes no difference to the missile.

also what defensive systems in Fallout will either A) be capable of 'putting a hole' in a Cruiser and B) capable of shooting down a Frigate or even a Longsword for that matter? doesn't really match anything I have ever seen in the Fallout Universe?

  • 04.10.2011 2:15 PM PDT


Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
do know Longsword fighter/bombers are the size of modern day stealth bombers right? and they can seriously haul ass, they have enough power to break orbit so would put there maximum atmospheric speed well supersonic, maybe even hypersonic, plus its worth saying they might not even be detectable to radar, look at their shape, very similar to modern stealth planes. the orbital platforms wouldn't be a problem, since they would be the primary target of orbiting Frigates and Longsword bombers. fair enough, what exactly is going to smoke a 478 metre long Frigate, never seen anything in the Fallout universe that would be able to do that? locate all defensive batteries around your landing destination and obliterate them all from orbit using Archer missiles, hell I think an Archer is more than a match for most planet-side defences and the ships possess hundreds, sometimes thousands of them!

could also bring Prowlers into the debate, for taking out orbital platforms using HORNET mines, not like the orbital platforms would cause them much trouble to be honest. could also use drones to attack land based targets, can never remember what they are called. wouldn't be worried about Power Armour either, especially with Gauss Hogs in the field since they have long long range and serious stopping power.

Anti-air guns do exist, you know. They could take down the Longswords and other fighters as well, it's not too difficult. And as I said before, the orbital platforms can destory pretty much anything that moves, unlike MAC guns, where the projectile is unalterable after firing. Plus, if that fails, remember those huge-ass guns that you blew up in Anchorage? Yeah, those were American weapons captured by the Chinese, I believe. Those would rip a hole right through a cruiser.

Also, Archer missiles aren't meant to be fired from orbit.


A SAM cannot take out a Longsword. Those fighters--in order to break atmosphere--must be traveling at least 5 miles per second. No SAM site can do that

  • 04.10.2011 2:15 PM PDT


Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: AngrydoG
MJOLNIR is superior to the T-51b Armor in every way.

First off, I never saw a T-51b user pick up a tank.

Secondly, the armor actually slows you down so they are slower than Spartans.

Third and Finally, they are not impervious to projectile weapons, MJOLNIR is.

If MJOLNIR is impervious to firearms, why can they still be damaged by them? Plus T-51's do increase strength, though not as much as MJOLNIR suits. Like I said, the biggest advanage is prudctability and the fact that virtually everyone can use it.


Gameplay=/=canon. The Fall of Reach gives a more accurate depiction of MJOLNIR armor. Realistically, bullets don't work. Hell, bullets don't work on Spartan's bones let alone armor.

  • 04.10.2011 2:18 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
do know Longsword fighter/bombers are the size of modern day stealth bombers right? and they can seriously haul ass, they have enough power to break orbit so would put there maximum atmospheric speed well supersonic, maybe even hypersonic, plus its worth saying they might not even be detectable to radar, look at their shape, very similar to modern stealth planes. the orbital platforms wouldn't be a problem, since they would be the primary target of orbiting Frigates and Longsword bombers. fair enough, what exactly is going to smoke a 478 metre long Frigate, never seen anything in the Fallout universe that would be able to do that? locate all defensive batteries around your landing destination and obliterate them all from orbit using Archer missiles, hell I think an Archer is more than a match for most planet-side defences and the ships possess hundreds, sometimes thousands of them!

could also bring Prowlers into the debate, for taking out orbital platforms using HORNET mines, not like the orbital platforms would cause them much trouble to be honest. could also use drones to attack land based targets, can never remember what they are called. wouldn't be worried about Power Armour either, especially with Gauss Hogs in the field since they have long long range and serious stopping power.

Anti-air guns do exist, you know. They could take down the Longswords and other fighters as well, it's not too difficult. And as I said before, the orbital platforms can destory pretty much anything that moves, unlike MAC guns, where the projectile is unalterable after firing. Plus, if that fails, remember those huge-ass guns that you blew up in Anchorage? Yeah, those were American weapons captured by the Chinese, I believe. Those would rip a hole right through a cruiser.

Also, Archer missiles aren't meant to be fired from orbit.


A SAM cannot take out a Longsword. Those fighters--in order to break atmosphere--must be traveling at least 5 miles per second. No SAM site can do that

But think, that's modern SAM sites. We have no idea what a SAM site is capable of in the Fallout universe.

  • 04.10.2011 2:21 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: AngrydoG
MJOLNIR is superior to the T-51b Armor in every way.

First off, I never saw a T-51b user pick up a tank.

Secondly, the armor actually slows you down so they are slower than Spartans.

Third and Finally, they are not impervious to projectile weapons, MJOLNIR is.

If MJOLNIR is impervious to firearms, why can they still be damaged by them? Plus T-51's do increase strength, though not as much as MJOLNIR suits. Like I said, the biggest advanage is prudctability and the fact that virtually everyone can use it.


Gameplay=/=canon. The Fall of Reach gives a more accurate depiction of MJOLNIR armor. Realistically, bullets don't work. Hell, bullets don't work on Spartan's bones let alone armor.

Yeah, they aren't completely impervious to rounds. A strong resistance, yes, complete invunerablity, no.

  • 04.10.2011 2:23 PM PDT


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
problem is though, MAC won't miss, not at the ranges we are talking about here, from even high orbit to ground will be seconds from leaving the barrel to impact. also don't see why an Archer couldn't double up as a ground attack weapon, its a missile and missiles go where they are told, be it an enemy warship or a bunker, makes no difference to the missile.

also what defensive systems in Fallout will either A) be capable of 'putting a hole' in a Cruiser and B) capable of shooting down a Frigate or even a Longsword for that matter? doesn't really match anything I have ever seen in the Fallout Universe?

Have you actually played Operation: Anchorage? Those guns fired meter-wide shells, at least. A cruiser couldn't handle much of that. And the SAM turrets are likely energy weapon reliant, considering that nearly every anti-personel turret is energy-based.

[Edited on 04.10.2011 2:27 PM PDT]

  • 04.10.2011 2:26 PM PDT

Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: mojeda101
Lol at all of this.

Lets put it with the numbers the UNSC have at disposal. You said 1 million vs 1 million correct?

930 Spartan III
33 Spartan II
499,037 ODST
250,000 UNSC Marines
250,000 UNSC Army Troopers

Of course the UNSC have more than that, although it was limited to your simple 1 million.

These are what I would deploy, with Spartans on the field, that would give the troops so much moral.

That means that there are more ODST's than standard troops.

By that logic, about half of the American military would be robots here.


No there aren't. I am only deploying more ODST's as they have a more resistant battle dress. I could deploy strictly ODST's and Spartans, but I figure I should give more variety.

Besides, I doubt the US Military had such a vast amount of robots, I am simply deploying what I can amass. Otherwise I would put strictly Spartans. You must deploy what you can realistically. Not a bland number you can make up. Otherwise I change all my troops to Spartan II's.

  • 04.10.2011 2:29 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: mojeda101
Lol at all of this.

Lets put it with the numbers the UNSC have at disposal. You said 1 million vs 1 million correct?

930 Spartan III
33 Spartan II
499,037 ODST
250,000 UNSC Marines
250,000 UNSC Army Troopers

Of course the UNSC have more than that, although it was limited to your simple 1 million.

These are what I would deploy, with Spartans on the field, that would give the troops so much moral.

That means that there are more ODST's than standard troops.

By that logic, about half of the American military would be robots here.


No there aren't. I am only deploying more ODST's as they have a more resistant battle dress. I could deploy strictly ODST's and Spartans, but I figure I should give more variety.

Besides, I doubt the US Military had such a vast amount of robots, I am simply deploying what I can amass. Otherwise I would put strictly Spartans. You must deploy what you can realistically. Not a bland number you can make up. Otherwise I change all my troops to Spartan II's.

Actually, according to this, not even that many ODST's exist. Not even close.

  • 04.10.2011 2:35 PM PDT

Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: mojeda101
Lol at all of this.

Lets put it with the numbers the UNSC have at disposal. You said 1 million vs 1 million correct?

930 Spartan III
33 Spartan II
499,037 ODST
250,000 UNSC Marines
250,000 UNSC Army Troopers

Of course the UNSC have more than that, although it was limited to your simple 1 million.

These are what I would deploy, with Spartans on the field, that would give the troops so much moral.

That means that there are more ODST's than standard troops.

By that logic, about half of the American military would be robots here.


No there aren't. I am only deploying more ODST's as they have a more resistant battle dress. I could deploy strictly ODST's and Spartans, but I figure I should give more variety.

Besides, I doubt the US Military had such a vast amount of robots, I am simply deploying what I can amass. Otherwise I would put strictly Spartans. You must deploy what you can realistically. Not a bland number you can make up. Otherwise I change all my troops to Spartan II's.

Actually, according to this, not even that many ODST's exist. Not even close.


Point out the population please.

  • 04.10.2011 2:39 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: mojeda101
Lol at all of this.

Lets put it with the numbers the UNSC have at disposal. You said 1 million vs 1 million correct?

930 Spartan III
33 Spartan II
499,037 ODST
250,000 UNSC Marines
250,000 UNSC Army Troopers

Of course the UNSC have more than that, although it was limited to your simple 1 million.

These are what I would deploy, with Spartans on the field, that would give the troops so much moral.

That means that there are more ODST's than standard troops.

By that logic, about half of the American military would be robots here.


No there aren't. I am only deploying more ODST's as they have a more resistant battle dress. I could deploy strictly ODST's and Spartans, but I figure I should give more variety.

Besides, I doubt the US Military had such a vast amount of robots, I am simply deploying what I can amass. Otherwise I would put strictly Spartans. You must deploy what you can realistically. Not a bland number you can make up. Otherwise I change all my troops to Spartan II's.

Actually, according to this, not even that many ODST's exist. Not even close.


Point out the population please.

Here ya go.

  • 04.10.2011 2:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
sorry to say but everyone is missing the biggest strength the Halo humans have in this scenario, which is very fast deployment of both infantry, mechanised units anywhere on the battlefield through a number of means, all carried out from orbital craft such as Frigates, Carriers or Cruisers. think about this, twenty Pelicans are deployed from a Carrier in low orbit, ten are carrying Scorpions, five are carrying Gauss Hogs and five are carrying Missile Hogs, all those Pelicans can carry numerous fully armed marines, with all their gear and deploy that force anywhere on the planet with little to no warning.

before deploying ground forces take out all surrounding defensive emplacements (including orbital) with Longsword bomber strikes and deploy Hornets to support ground troops, establish a 'beach-head' for more landings and that is it, its over right there. deploy SPARTAN-II teams behind enemy lines to disrupt command and control, take out supply lines and generally be pains in the rear. take out major American bases from orbit using Frigate MAC (which sorry to say, won't miss because its a 600 ton projectile travelling at 35,000 metres/second, aimed by a smart AI), that would level something the size of a city. there is no plausible way for the American military to win unless you strip the Halo humans of all their technology and equipment which would be a pointless comparison.

in Halo forces are deployed from orbiting ships, that is really the bottom line, you cannot have a fair comparison without giving them the ability to deploy in the way they deploy. all of this does nothing to take into account things like Longsword (which look very stealthy by the way, might have low radar cross section) using nuclear strikes and such, not to mention Orbital Drop Shock Troopers deploying planet-side. the whole United Nations Space Command military doctrine to me seems based around rapid deployment to the field, their vehicles are designed to be carried on cargo hooks on the Pelican, even their tanks are designed to be carried. Liberty Prime wouldn't be much of a problem, a single Cobra tank would be able to take it out with little trouble, from miles away.

also its worth noting as much as I hate it, Frigates can be deployed in-atmosphere to provide fire support to ground forces and even land for force deployment, again that is a feature of their military way of thinking, so taking that aspect away would make it an unfair comparison, since the Fallout humans get to keep everything, and the Halo humans are stripped of anything that can make them a threat, so game over to be honest.

The rapid deployment is a huge advantage, but if a frigate tried entering orbit it would be smoked even faster than in orbit with the platforms. Not to mention, American fighters could take out a Longsword just as easily as any other fighter.

Longswords carry nukes.

  • 04.10.2011 2:43 PM PDT


Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
sorry to say but everyone is missing the biggest strength the Halo humans have in this scenario, which is very fast deployment of both infantry, mechanised units anywhere on the battlefield through a number of means, all carried out from orbital craft such as Frigates, Carriers or Cruisers. think about this, twenty Pelicans are deployed from a Carrier in low orbit, ten are carrying Scorpions, five are carrying Gauss Hogs and five are carrying Missile Hogs, all those Pelicans can carry numerous fully armed marines, with all their gear and deploy that force anywhere on the planet with little to no warning.

before deploying ground forces take out all surrounding defensive emplacements (including orbital) with Longsword bomber strikes and deploy Hornets to support ground troops, establish a 'beach-head' for more landings and that is it, its over right there. deploy SPARTAN-II teams behind enemy lines to disrupt command and control, take out supply lines and generally be pains in the rear. take out major American bases from orbit using Frigate MAC (which sorry to say, won't miss because its a 600 ton projectile travelling at 35,000 metres/second, aimed by a smart AI), that would level something the size of a city. there is no plausible way for the American military to win unless you strip the Halo humans of all their technology and equipment which would be a pointless comparison.

in Halo forces are deployed from orbiting ships, that is really the bottom line, you cannot have a fair comparison without giving them the ability to deploy in the way they deploy. all of this does nothing to take into account things like Longsword (which look very stealthy by the way, might have low radar cross section) using nuclear strikes and such, not to mention Orbital Drop Shock Troopers deploying planet-side. the whole United Nations Space Command military doctrine to me seems based around rapid deployment to the field, their vehicles are designed to be carried on cargo hooks on the Pelican, even their tanks are designed to be carried. Liberty Prime wouldn't be much of a problem, a single Cobra tank would be able to take it out with little trouble, from miles away.

also its worth noting as much as I hate it, Frigates can be deployed in-atmosphere to provide fire support to ground forces and even land for force deployment, again that is a feature of their military way of thinking, so taking that aspect away would make it an unfair comparison, since the Fallout humans get to keep everything, and the Halo humans are stripped of anything that can make them a threat, so game over to be honest.

The rapid deployment is a huge advantage, but if a frigate tried entering orbit it would be smoked even faster than in orbit with the platforms. Not to mention, American fighters could take out a Longsword just as easily as any other fighter.

Longswords carry nukes.

So do ground troops and stratobombers.

  • 04.10.2011 2:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Scoopicus

[quote]Posted by: mojeda101
Lol at all of this.

Lets put it with the numbers the UNSC have at disposal. You said 1 million vs 1 million correct?

930 Spartan III
33 Spartan II
499,037 ODST
250,000 UNSC Marines
250,000 UNSC Army Troopers

Of course the UNSC have more than that, although it was limited to your simple 1 million.

These are what I would deploy, with Spartans on the field, that would give the troops so much moral.

That means that there are more ODST's than standard troops.

By that logic, about half of the American military would be robots here.


No there aren't. I am only deploying more ODST's as they have a more resistant battle dress. I could deploy strictly ODST's and Spartans, but I figure I should give more variety.

Besides, I doubt the US Military had such a vast amount of robots, I am simply deploying what I can amass. Otherwise I would put strictly Spartans. You must deploy what you can realistically. Not a bland number you can make up. Otherwise I change all my troops to Spartan II's.

Actually, according to this, not even that many ODST's exist. Not even close.


Point out the population please.

Here ya go.
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Yeah...
I don't think they've listed every ODST in the UNSC.


You're saying there were more spartans than ODST's?
lol.

  • 04.10.2011 2:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
sorry to say but everyone is missing the biggest strength the Halo humans have in this scenario, which is very fast deployment of both infantry, mechanised units anywhere on the battlefield through a number of means, all carried out from orbital craft such as Frigates, Carriers or Cruisers. think about this, twenty Pelicans are deployed from a Carrier in low orbit, ten are carrying Scorpions, five are carrying Gauss Hogs and five are carrying Missile Hogs, all those Pelicans can carry numerous fully armed marines, with all their gear and deploy that force anywhere on the planet with little to no warning.

before deploying ground forces take out all surrounding defensive emplacements (including orbital) with Longsword bomber strikes and deploy Hornets to support ground troops, establish a 'beach-head' for more landings and that is it, its over right there. deploy SPARTAN-II teams behind enemy lines to disrupt command and control, take out supply lines and generally be pains in the rear. take out major American bases from orbit using Frigate MAC (which sorry to say, won't miss because its a 600 ton projectile travelling at 35,000 metres/second, aimed by a smart AI), that would level something the size of a city. there is no plausible way for the American military to win unless you strip the Halo humans of all their technology and equipment which would be a pointless comparison.

in Halo forces are deployed from orbiting ships, that is really the bottom line, you cannot have a fair comparison without giving them the ability to deploy in the way they deploy. all of this does nothing to take into account things like Longsword (which look very stealthy by the way, might have low radar cross section) using nuclear strikes and such, not to mention Orbital Drop Shock Troopers deploying planet-side. the whole United Nations Space Command military doctrine to me seems based around rapid deployment to the field, their vehicles are designed to be carried on cargo hooks on the Pelican, even their tanks are designed to be carried. Liberty Prime wouldn't be much of a problem, a single Cobra tank would be able to take it out with little trouble, from miles away.

also its worth noting as much as I hate it, Frigates can be deployed in-atmosphere to provide fire support to ground forces and even land for force deployment, again that is a feature of their military way of thinking, so taking that aspect away would make it an unfair comparison, since the Fallout humans get to keep everything, and the Halo humans are stripped of anything that can make them a threat, so game over to be honest.

The rapid deployment is a huge advantage, but if a frigate tried entering orbit it would be smoked even faster than in orbit with the platforms. Not to mention, American fighters could take out a Longsword just as easily as any other fighter.

Longswords carry nukes.

So do ground troops and stratobombers.

What?
Well, Spartans have the planet eater.
Remember?

The nuclear bomb that apparently ate over half of the planet by Whitcomb?

  • 04.10.2011 2:47 PM PDT


Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
What?
Well, Spartans have the planet eater.
Remember?

The nuclear bomb that apparently ate over half of the planet by Whitcomb?

That would kill everyone. Even your own men. That's not good.

  • 04.10.2011 2:49 PM PDT

Posted by: Scoopicus
Here ya go.


Not accurate, not even close.

This is the main Division, states there were 20,000 ODST's in that one division. Does your Personnel list 20,000 ODST's? No.
If you go back to the top and see size, it states "Several" divisions. Meaning there are bound to be more. ODST's are in the hundreds of thousands, trust me.

EDIT: What are you talking about more Spartans than ODST's? Are you mental? I never implied that.

[Edited on 04.10.2011 2:51 PM PDT]

  • 04.10.2011 2:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
What?
Well, Spartans have the planet eater.
Remember?

The nuclear bomb that apparently ate over half of the planet by Whitcomb?

That would kill everyone. Even your own men. That's not good.

Well, so does both side's orbital bombardment.

You've got nukes.
We have planet eaters, and giant tunsten shells.

Yeah...
We don't even need the planet eater to blow up the entire planet.

  • 04.10.2011 2:52 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Scoopicus
Here ya go.


Not accurate, not even close.

This is the main Division, states there were 20,000 ODST's in that one division. Does your Personnel list 20,000 ODST's? No.
If you go back to the top and see size, it states "Several" divisions. Meaning more are bound to be more. ODST's are in the hundreds of thousands, trust me.

EDIT: What are you talking about more Spartans than ODST's? Are you mental? I never implied that.

I never said that either. Everyone is making assumptions today, aren't they?

And there would be nowhere close to 500,000 ODST's. There's 100k, 250k at the max, most likely.

[Edited on 04.10.2011 2:53 PM PDT]

  • 04.10.2011 2:52 PM PDT

Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Scoopicus
Here ya go.


Not accurate, not even close.

This is the main Division, states there were 20,000 ODST's in that one division. Does your Personnel list 20,000 ODST's? No.
If you go back to the top and see size, it states "Several" divisions. Meaning more are bound to be more. ODST's are in the hundreds of thousands, trust me.

EDIT: What are you talking about more Spartans than ODST's? Are you mental? I never implied that.

I never said that either. Everyone is making assumptions today, aren't they?

And there would be nowhere close to 500,000 ODST's. There's 100k, 250k at the max, most likely.


I agree with you there, I over exaggerated the number of them. Changing the numbers.

  • 04.10.2011 2:54 PM PDT


Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
do know Longsword fighter/bombers are the size of modern day stealth bombers right? and they can seriously haul ass, they have enough power to break orbit so would put there maximum atmospheric speed well supersonic, maybe even hypersonic, plus its worth saying they might not even be detectable to radar, look at their shape, very similar to modern stealth planes. the orbital platforms wouldn't be a problem, since they would be the primary target of orbiting Frigates and Longsword bombers. fair enough, what exactly is going to smoke a 478 metre long Frigate, never seen anything in the Fallout universe that would be able to do that? locate all defensive batteries around your landing destination and obliterate them all from orbit using Archer missiles, hell I think an Archer is more than a match for most planet-side defences and the ships possess hundreds, sometimes thousands of them!

could also bring Prowlers into the debate, for taking out orbital platforms using HORNET mines, not like the orbital platforms would cause them much trouble to be honest. could also use drones to attack land based targets, can never remember what they are called. wouldn't be worried about Power Armour either, especially with Gauss Hogs in the field since they have long long range and serious stopping power.

Anti-air guns do exist, you know. They could take down the Longswords and other fighters as well, it's not too difficult. And as I said before, the orbital platforms can destory pretty much anything that moves, unlike MAC guns, where the projectile is unalterable after firing. Plus, if that fails, remember those huge-ass guns that you blew up in Anchorage? Yeah, those were American weapons captured by the Chinese, I believe. Those would rip a hole right through a cruiser.

Also, Archer missiles aren't meant to be fired from orbit.


A SAM cannot take out a Longsword. Those fighters--in order to break atmosphere--must be traveling at least 5 miles per second. No SAM site can do that

But think, that's modern SAM sites. We have no idea what a SAM site is capable of in the Fallout universe.


Were the Americans planning to shoot down starfighters?

American weaponry counters current day weaponry. SAMs were built to destroy modern air jets, not starfighters.

  • 04.10.2011 2:54 PM PDT


Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
What?
Well, Spartans have the planet eater.
Remember?

The nuclear bomb that apparently ate over half of the planet by Whitcomb?

That would kill everyone. Even your own men. That's not good.

Well, so does both side's orbital bombardment.

You've got nukes.
We have planet eaters, and giant tunsten shells.

Yeah...
We don't even need the planet eater to blow up the entire planet.

The orbital strike nukes don't emit as great a fallout as actual nukes. And it's not even a planet eater. It's a Nova Bomb, and it didn't blow a planet apart ever, just did huge damage to it.

  • 04.10.2011 2:54 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
do know Longsword fighter/bombers are the size of modern day stealth bombers right? and they can seriously haul ass, they have enough power to break orbit so would put there maximum atmospheric speed well supersonic, maybe even hypersonic, plus its worth saying they might not even be detectable to radar, look at their shape, very similar to modern stealth planes. the orbital platforms wouldn't be a problem, since they would be the primary target of orbiting Frigates and Longsword bombers. fair enough, what exactly is going to smoke a 478 metre long Frigate, never seen anything in the Fallout universe that would be able to do that? locate all defensive batteries around your landing destination and obliterate them all from orbit using Archer missiles, hell I think an Archer is more than a match for most planet-side defences and the ships possess hundreds, sometimes thousands of them!

could also bring Prowlers into the debate, for taking out orbital platforms using HORNET mines, not like the orbital platforms would cause them much trouble to be honest. could also use drones to attack land based targets, can never remember what they are called. wouldn't be worried about Power Armour either, especially with Gauss Hogs in the field since they have long long range and serious stopping power.

Anti-air guns do exist, you know. They could take down the Longswords and other fighters as well, it's not too difficult. And as I said before, the orbital platforms can destory pretty much anything that moves, unlike MAC guns, where the projectile is unalterable after firing. Plus, if that fails, remember those huge-ass guns that you blew up in Anchorage? Yeah, those were American weapons captured by the Chinese, I believe. Those would rip a hole right through a cruiser.

Also, Archer missiles aren't meant to be fired from orbit.


A SAM cannot take out a Longsword. Those fighters--in order to break atmosphere--must be traveling at least 5 miles per second. No SAM site can do that

But think, that's modern SAM sites. We have no idea what a SAM site is capable of in the Fallout universe.


Were the Americans planning to shoot down starfighters?

American weaponry counters current day weaponry. SAMs were built to destroy modern air jets, not starfighters.

There's an over-the-shoulder nuclear bomb catapult.

I'm pretty sure that a laser-shooting SAM turret isn't too far from believability.

  • 04.10.2011 2:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Scoopicus
Here ya go.


Not accurate, not even close.

This is the main Division, states there were 20,000 ODST's in that one division. Does your Personnel list 20,000 ODST's? No.
If you go back to the top and see size, it states "Several" divisions. Meaning there are bound to be more. ODST's are in the hundreds of thousands, trust me.

EDIT: What are you talking about more Spartans than ODST's? Are you mental? I never implied that.

Yeah, you kind of implied that there were just these many ODST's, which I know spartan III + II's top in the hundreds.

  • 04.10.2011 2:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
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Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
What?
Well, Spartans have the planet eater.
Remember?

The nuclear bomb that apparently ate over half of the planet by Whitcomb?

That would kill everyone. Even your own men. That's not good.

Well, so does both side's orbital bombardment.

You've got nukes.
We have planet eaters, and giant tunsten shells.

Yeah...
We don't even need the planet eater to blow up the entire planet.

The orbital strike nukes don't emit as great a fallout as actual nukes. And it's not even a planet eater. It's a Nova Bomb, and it didn't blow a planet apart ever, just did huge damage to it.

THERE WE GO!
Nova bomb, that's what I was looking for!

I'm pretty sure the book and also a poster in the forum said that the planet was damned screwed, and a blast that bad would eradicate all surface life in a matter of weeks, think about it yourself.

  • 04.10.2011 3:00 PM PDT