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Subject: Is master chief a forerunner?

Remember in halo 3 when guilty spark said that master chief was a forerunner? Is this true?

  • 04.11.2011 6:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Arbiter326
Remember in halo 3 when guilty spark said that master chief was a forerunner? Is this true?


Spark, at the moment, was going insane.

  • 04.11.2011 6:07 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Arbiter326
Remember in halo 3 when guilty spark said that master chief was a forerunner? Is this true?


Spark, at the moment, was going insane.


Yeah, I kinda agree, and Spark has always been confusing Chief with someone else, probably the Didact.

  • 04.11.2011 6:10 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Arbiter326
Remember in halo 3 when guilty spark said that master chief was a forerunner? Is this true?


Spark, at the moment, was going insane.


Yeah, I kinda agree, and Spark has always been confusing Chief with someone else, probably the Didact.


Easily noticed in CE when he goes "I've had a long time to think about your question reclaimer."

  • 04.11.2011 6:12 PM PDT

I think the important parts of that statement were from before:
"You are the child of my makers, inheritors of all they left behind,"

I always assumed that it was a spiritual succession rather than an actual one. Halo: Cryptum hints that both Humans and Forerunners were created by the Precursors.

  • 04.11.2011 6:14 PM PDT

I may be wrong, but I think humans are chronicled in the Forerunner databases as being reclaimers or something along those lines, because they saw the potential humanity had.

  • 04.11.2011 6:15 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Spark was going rampant, but I've always seen Forerunner as a title instead of a race. Yes, the Forerunners called themselves Forerunners in Cryptum, but still. Spark may have acknowledged the torch had been passed, but he didn't care anymore.

  • 04.11.2011 6:16 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Spark was going rampant, but I've always seen Forerunner as a title instead of a race. Yes, the Forerunners called themselves Forerunners in Cryptum, but still. Spark may have acknowledged the torch had been passed, but he didn't care anymore.


Mhm, I always saw Spark calling Chief Forerunner as more of a title or acknowledging that Humanity are the successors to the Forerunners and thus could in a way be called Forerunners themselves. But yeah, he was probably talking a little nonsense too, influenced by his rampancy.

  • 04.11.2011 6:30 PM PDT

"Concise and devoid of elegance...what I have come to expect from human communication"-Endless Summer

Spark was in a Meta Stability he probably thought he was talking to Didact

[Edited on 04.11.2011 9:40 PM PDT]

  • 04.11.2011 9:40 PM PDT


Posted by: Metroidman42
Spark was in a Meta Stability he probably thought he was talking to Didact


No proof of that. And if he was, wouldn't that mean he was again in full control and sanity? It'd probably be hard to mistake Master Chief for Didact...

He showed signs of rampancy, and was in the conditions to go into it. Being alone for so long, showing signs of anger/hate toward organics for threatening his ring, clear signs of insanity or going into insanity...

  • 04.11.2011 9:46 PM PDT

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spark was a bit loopy after the millions of years of being alone, humans were reclaimers, basically they inherit the forerunners responsibilities, humans to guilty spark might as well have been forerunner.

  • 04.11.2011 9:53 PM PDT

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No, he is definitely not.

  • 04.11.2011 9:56 PM PDT

humans were decedents of forerunners
chosen to continue their work

  • 04.11.2011 10:05 PM PDT

No he said Master chief was the Reclaimer.

  • 04.11.2011 10:19 PM PDT

in harvest ,i think it is, it states that humans we're forrunners.

  • 04.11.2011 11:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: boogerman77
in harvest ,i think it is, it states that humans we're forrunners.


*Sigh*

No, no it doesn't.

  • 04.11.2011 11:40 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Halo Cryptum

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  • 04.12.2011 2:49 AM PDT

http://www.halo-forum.com

NO, the Chief is not a Forerunner. Cryptum clearly makes a distinction between the two races. However, since the release of the book Spark's interaction with the Chief has got me wondering. What if Chakas was there during the firing of the rings? Or what he he was the one who actually fired them? This would explain how Spark could confuse the two humans for being one and the same, because a human fired the ring initially. I say Chakas because out of the two main character humans in the book he is the one most resembling a modern day human. His character was introduced for a reason, maybe this it it? Just food for thought.

  • 04.12.2011 2:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Imprinting a geas on an entire race could leave a genetic marker which Spark could have picked up. It's entirely possible (probable) we have some Forerunner gene in us.

Implying a geas was imprinted on humanity (more likely than not).
Implying the geas is a genetic manipulation.

Post I had a while back...
We all know that after the Forerunners activation of the rings, humanity was given the title of Reclaimer. We know the implications of that title; we are to inherit Forerunner technology and be able to use it, but we really don't know much more. Is "Reclaimer" simply a title, an honorary distinction bestowed on us but nothing else? Or is there more to it?

In both The Flood and First Strike, there are instances of Spartans (notably John and Fred (?), I don't own the books so I can't reference them) just "knowing" how to use Forerunner technology. I'm of the belief that this has something to do with the "Reclaimer" title, that somehow Forerunner knowledge was hardwired into our very being, becoming intrinsic.

How exactly is this possible though? Well, we know for a fact that the Forerunner were capable of genetic manipulation, including cloning. (Source note the:"DNA/RNA/Silicon samples are encoded in this datastream. Reproduction of individuals for analysis is prohibited by this facility."). What I believe is that prior to the reseeding effort that went on after the Array fired, the Forerunner fundamentally altered human DNA. We became not only their successors in name, but in genetics as well. This explains how humanity, and no one else, is able to activate the Array and have this inherent "knowing" of how to use Forerunner technology. What it meant to be human became very different after the reseeding took place.
In that discussion (long before Cryptum was released) the only snag I was unable to explain were the sentinels on Onyx not recognizing and attacking the SIIIs. Cryptum explains that nicely by saying that the sentinels primary function was to protect their facility (even from the Forerunners themselves as evidenced by the sentinels attacking Forerunner ships when they tried to destroy the rings).

[Edited on 04.12.2011 8:29 AM PDT]

  • 04.12.2011 8:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: switch 104 sv
NO, the Chief is not a Forerunner. Cryptum clearly makes a distinction between the two races. However, since the release of the book Spark's interaction with the Chief has got me wondering. What if Chakas was there during the firing of the rings? Or what he he was the one who actually fired them? This would explain how Spark could confuse the two humans for being one and the same, because a human fired the ring initially. I say Chakas because out of the two main character humans in the book he is the one most resembling a modern day human. His character was introduced for a reason, maybe this it it? Just food for thought.


Switch i swear i was thinking the EXACT same thing while scrolling down this page. What if chief is a descendant of Chakas or Riser?

  • 04.12.2011 10:08 AM PDT

http://www.halo-forum.com

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
NO, the Chief is not a Forerunner. Cryptum clearly makes a distinction between the two races. However, since the release of the book Spark's interaction with the Chief has got me wondering. What if Chakas was there during the firing of the rings? Or what he he was the one who actually fired them? This would explain how Spark could confuse the two humans for being one and the same, because a human fired the ring initially. I say Chakas because out of the two main character humans in the book he is the one most resembling a modern day human. His character was introduced for a reason, maybe this it it? Just food for thought.


Switch i swear i was thinking the EXACT same thing while scrolling down this page. What if chief is a descendant of Chakas or Riser?

Glad I'm not alone. It's an avenue that, if taken, would clear up some of Spark's confusing dialogue.

  • 04.12.2011 10:11 AM PDT

Head Down/ Chin Up!

I thought it 343 getting confused between the Chief (in armour) and the Forerunners (who in Legends DVD are seen wearing similar armour)! Too easy I know...

I'll run with what you lot said

  • 04.12.2011 10:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
NO, the Chief is not a Forerunner. Cryptum clearly makes a distinction between the two races. However, since the release of the book Spark's interaction with the Chief has got me wondering. What if Chakas was there during the firing of the rings? Or what he he was the one who actually fired them? This would explain how Spark could confuse the two humans for being one and the same, because a human fired the ring initially. I say Chakas because out of the two main character humans in the book he is the one most resembling a modern day human. His character was introduced for a reason, maybe this it it? Just food for thought.


Switch i swear i was thinking the EXACT same thing while scrolling down this page. What if chief is a descendant of Chakas or Riser?

Its more likely that it's not the chief that is the descendant but the entire human race. Because in order for them to fire the rings they would be on the Ark thus safe from the array. Then they would be relocated to Earth to repopulate the species.

  • 04.12.2011 10:15 AM PDT

Head Down/ Chin Up!

Jumping back in I have a few questions related to this, or points for you lot to argue.

1 - 343 clearly states that you ARE Foreunner
2 - The Prophets of Truth and Mercy recognise Humanity as being Forerunner and therefore eradicating their entire belief system. (If they weren't, what was the issue? Why not meld Humanity into the Covenant like every other race?)
3 - The games were made BEFORE Cryptum. Was the original idea to have Humanity as Forerunners and then 343 thought "lets switch that up a bit and have people like us debate and retcon it ourselves)

Away you go

  • 04.12.2011 10:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: switch 104 sv
NO, the Chief is not a Forerunner. Cryptum clearly makes a distinction between the two races. However, since the release of the book Spark's interaction with the Chief has got me wondering. What if Chakas was there during the firing of the rings? Or what he he was the one who actually fired them? This would explain how Spark could confuse the two humans for being one and the same, because a human fired the ring initially. I say Chakas because out of the two main character humans in the book he is the one most resembling a modern day human. His character was introduced for a reason, maybe this it it? Just food for thought.


Switch i swear i was thinking the EXACT same thing while scrolling down this page. What if chief is a descendant of Chakas or Riser?

Its more likely that it's not the chief that is the descendant but the entire human race. Because in order for them to fire the rings they would be on the Ark thus safe from the array. Then they would be relocated to Earth to repopulate the species.


I think there is a gap to be filled with that though.

IRIS depicted Earth as being found towards the end of the forerunner flood engagement and stated it was "special". And that "they" could answer some of the forerunners own mysteries.

I've been thinking more and more that they were talking about modern man and the relation with them and the precursors. Them meaning the librarian and didact.

  • 04.12.2011 10:21 AM PDT

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