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Subject: would a field marshall from reach beat a spartan || solider?

think about it, they have way better shielding, are stronger have unlimited evade and can dual wield and hit at the same time.
One hit should be enough to kill a spartan ||.

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  • 04.17.2011 7:54 AM PDT

dudeee... that wuld be soo owerpowered

  • 04.17.2011 7:59 AM PDT

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The omnipotent god of marketing and omniscient god of plot will smite that Field Marshal down.

  • 04.17.2011 8:00 AM PDT

they should make a game where you was a field marshall with reach armor, sick cloaking, evade and dual wielding technology.

  • 04.17.2011 8:04 AM PDT

A Spartan II out-classes any of the covenant species, of all ranks, in both conventional and "one-on-one" combat.

My reasoning? By the time we see Spartans in combat they have been fighting constantly for months if not years, most are held together by their armour, biofoam and duck tape.
They are in no condition to fight, but at their "prime" they are more than capable of bringing down any Elite field marshall/zealot/alienbastard.

  • 04.17.2011 8:48 AM PDT


Posted by: RotaryCookie
A Spartan II out-classes any of the covenant species, of all ranks, in both conventional and "one-on-one" combat.

My reasoning? By the time we see Spartans in combat they have been fighting constantly for months if not years, most are held together by their armour, biofoam and duck tape.
They are in no condition to fight, but at their "prime" they are more than capable of bringing down any Elite field marshall/zealot/alienbastard.


o_O. last I checked Spartan II's weren't fighting every second of their lives, and they weren't in bad shape health wise.

  • 04.17.2011 9:10 AM PDT
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Posted by: talz321
think about it, they have way better shielding, are stronger have unlimited evade and can dual wield and hit at the same time.
One hit should be enough to kill a spartan ||.

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Oh god. do you honestly think evade is an actual armor ability?

  • 04.17.2011 9:18 AM PDT

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A Major Elite is a match for a Spartan II. Equal combat finesse, strength, speed. A Field Marshall will simply have more experience when it comes to large scale military planning, i.e. they plan strategy across armies and fleets whereas Spartan IIs are weapons to be deployed that operate within small but massively effective teams.

  • 04.17.2011 10:05 AM PDT

dude... if 3 marienes will work together they can kill any elite bastard...
1spartan can kill 6 marines,(even a scorpion(9marines 2 scorpions))

  • 04.17.2011 10:16 AM PDT


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Posted by: talz321
think about it, they have way better shielding, are stronger have unlimited evade and can dual wield and hit at the same time.
One hit should be enough to kill a spartan ||.

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Oh god. do you honestly think evade is an actual armor ability?


Evade and Sprint are actual AAs, however I think it's probably safe to say that the way they function in game are mostly for gameplay. It isn't really clear to the UNSC what the Evade AA actually really does, but they know it increases mobility. or something of the sort.

  • 04.17.2011 10:18 AM PDT
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I'm fairly certain that any Elite from Reach wouldn't be strong enough to support it's own weight in any other game.

  • 04.17.2011 10:26 AM PDT

The only covenant speices that can truely defeat a SPARTAN II in melee combat is a brute as they are stronger than the spartans as shown in first strike when one kills grace then nearly kills MC who only kills him by luck that his shield recharged in time. So no a Field Marshall wouldn't be able to kill a SPARTAN II.

  • 04.17.2011 10:35 AM PDT

A Major Elite is a match for a Spartan II. Equal combat finesse, strength, speed

Entirely incorrect. This is where you bring up John fighting the Elite in The Flood, and fail to mention John's inner dialogue stating how he had fought for three days straight with no sleep and was covered in injuries. And yet he still matched the Elite.

Jai threw the Arbitor into a wall, cracking his ribs and disarming him. Hell, Tom as a 12 year old S3 snapped an Elites wrist, flung him to the ground, and shot him to death.

Any S2 (and extracted S3, as they are identical to S2's....regular S3's are debatable) are more than a match for all but the very best Elites. The Arbitor is arguably the best Elite, and he is equal to John, who was an average Spartan in all respects.

  • 04.17.2011 10:36 AM PDT


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Posted by: RotaryCookie
A Spartan II out-classes any of the covenant species, of all ranks, in both conventional and "one-on-one" combat.

My reasoning? By the time we see Spartans in combat they have been fighting constantly for months if not years, most are held together by their armour, biofoam and duck tape.
They are in no condition to fight, but at their "prime" they are more than capable of bringing down any Elite field marshall/zealot/alienbastard.


o_O. last I checked Spartan II's weren't fighting every second of their lives, and they weren't in bad shape health wise.


I may very well be wrong, it's just how I interpreted events.

  • 04.17.2011 10:40 AM PDT
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Posted by: RotaryCookie
My reasoning? By the time we see Spartans in combat they have been fighting constantly for months if not years, most are held together by their armour, biofoam and duck tape.
They are in no condition to fight, but at their "prime" they are more than capable of bringing down any Elite field marshall/zealot/alienbastard.


Where in the hell did you get that from? Yeah, maybe in the middle of a battle the only thing holding their guts in might be biofoam, but it's not like that is a constant thing. And it's not like 500 years in the future we can't treat minor plasma burns.

  • 04.17.2011 10:46 AM PDT

Yea, they're in perfect health before they deploy on missions. The've been fighting (in the case of S2's) from the ages of 14 to the age of 41. I think the average campaign number for Spartans was around 120. That's alot of major engagements.

  • 04.17.2011 10:55 AM PDT


Posted by: Mr Owen L
The only covenant speices that can truely defeat a SPARTAN II in melee combat is a brute as they are stronger than the spartans as shown in first strike when one kills grace then nearly kills MC who only kills him by luck that his shield recharged in time. So no a Field Marshall wouldn't be able to kill a SPARTAN II.


They killed grace with brute shot projectiles.


Posted by: forthnback
A Major Elite is a match for a Spartan II. Equal combat finesse, strength, speed

Entirely incorrect. This is where you bring up John fighting the Elite in The Flood, and fail to mention John's inner dialogue stating how he had fought for three days straight with no sleep and was covered in injuries. And yet he still matched the Elite.

Jai threw the Arbitor into a wall, cracking his ribs and disarming him. Hell, Tom as a 12 year old S3 snapped an Elites wrist, flung him to the ground, and shot him to death.

Any S2 (and extracted S3, as they are identical to S2's....regular S3's are debatable) are more than a match for all but the very best Elites. The Arbitor is arguably the best Elite, and he is equal to John, who was an average Spartan in all respects.


Actually, Chief wasn't a match at all for the black armored Elite in the bridge. He had to have outside help + an escape pod. He didn't win that battle.

Anyway, Fall of Reach, gamma station. Chief is rested, uninjured, and absolutely fine. I think it was a blue armored elite (Minor or ranger, both which aren't the strongest Elites around) was an equal match to him.

  • 04.17.2011 10:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Anyway, Fall of Reach, gamma station. Chief is rested, uninjured, and absolutely fine. I think it was a blue armored elite (Minor or ranger, both which aren't the strongest Elites around) was an equal match to him.

A 10 ft tall Elite...

Not one of Nylund's finer moments.

  • 04.17.2011 11:17 AM PDT
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I like the Mk V armor.

SPARTAN is better, get over it.

Sangheili are truly unhonorable bastards who use anything to win as long as they can be better. They are racist, hypocrite, and honestly, SPARTANs go in for the kill, the Sangheli acts like a complete -blam!- and denies his worthiness.

That's why brutes are better, at least they know they suck, unlike elites who are in denial, Which is why most SPARTANs easily kick ass. The only elite bearable is the major, Thel from the Package. He knows he -blam!- up so he just fights.

Elite easily looses. And we already know a SPARTAN III, who is the exact same thing as II in terms strength, beat the -blam!- out of four zealots and a Marshal. So a SPARTAN who has more experience will kick the Marshal's ass.

  • 04.17.2011 12:44 PM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Anyway, Fall of Reach, gamma station. Chief is rested, uninjured, and absolutely fine. I think it was a blue armored elite (Minor or ranger, both which aren't the strongest Elites around) was an equal match to him.


But they were fighting in Zero-G, and the Chief, just like any other Spartan, hated fighting in vacumm, it was pretty much his weak spot.

Anyways, just because the Elite was a minor, it dosent mean it was weak (if we go gameplay wise). Look at Clarence in Mona Lisa, he was a private, but he was extremely sharp. Yes, it was later shown he was ONI, but nonetheless, dont underestimate by rank.

Just because he was a low rank, you shouldint underestimate him. Something the Spartan's never did with their enemies, even with Grunts.

  • 04.17.2011 12:47 PM PDT
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I like the Mk V armor.


Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Anyway, Fall of Reach, gamma station. Chief is rested, uninjured, and absolutely fine. I think it was a blue armored elite (Minor or ranger, both which aren't the strongest Elites around) was an equal match to him.


But they were fighting in Zero-G, and the Chief, just like any other Spartan, hated fighting in vacumm, it was pretty much his weak spot.

Anyways, just because the Elite was a minor, it dosent mean it was weak (if we go gameplay wise). Look at Clarence in Mona Lisa, he was a private, but he was extremely sharp. Yes, it was later shown he was ONI, but nonetheless, dont underestimate by rank.

Just because he was a low rank, you shouldint underestimate him. Something the Spartan's never did with their enemies, even with Grunts.

Yea, case in canon, elites have the same shields, as SPARTANs have better shields as stated in...can't remember. I think shields is gameplay purely, gets stronger just to show he's a higher rank and more badass.

But there are many contradictions to that theroy.

  • 04.17.2011 12:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

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Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Anyway, Fall of Reach, gamma station. Chief is rested, uninjured, and absolutely fine. I think it was a blue armored elite (Minor or ranger, both which aren't the strongest Elites around) was an equal match to him.


But they were fighting in Zero-G, and the Chief, just like any other Spartan, hated fighting in vacumm, it was pretty much his weak spot.

Anyways, just because the Elite was a minor, it dosent mean it was weak (if we go gameplay wise). Look at Clarence in Mona Lisa, he was a private, but he was extremely sharp. Yes, it was later shown he was ONI, but nonetheless, dont underestimate by rank.

Just because he was a low rank, you shouldint underestimate him. Something the Spartan's never did with their enemies, even with Grunts.

Yea, case in canon, elites have the same shields, as SPARTANs have better shields as stated in...can't remember. I think shields is gameplay purely, gets stronger just to show he's a higher rank and more badass.

But there are many contradictions to that theroy.


There are alot of contradictions in Halo as to shield streght. I might make a thread later about this to try and clear it up.

Yes, it is stated numerous times during the books that MJLONIR shield tech is better than Covenant Shield tech, for example, in The Flood. And I'm pretty sure shield strenght on higher ranking Elite's is common. It would make sense for spec ops or Ultras to have higher shield strenght.

After all, in Reach, when Noble is talking to Halsey, Six states the shield strenght was a match to the current known Field Marshal.

  • 04.17.2011 12:57 PM PDT

Actually, Chief wasn't a match at all for the black armored Elite in the bridge. He had to have outside help + an escape pod. He didn't win that battle.

Anyway, Fall of Reach, gamma station. Chief is rested, uninjured, and absolutely fine. I think it was a blue armored elite (Minor or ranger, both which aren't the strongest Elites around) was an equal match to him.


Never said he won. Just that he stalemated it. He won with outside help, but that was eventually and is also irrelevant. Just that the Elite was a match for him in melee under very stacked circumstance. It's a testament to his ability that after fighting nonstop for three days he didn't simply collapse, let alone put up a struggle.

As for the second part, they mentioned many Elites jetpacking after them and trying to cut them off. They enter the ship, John investigates a nearby shadow, and an Elite attacks him. They have a zero g melee battle, which favors the Elite since he is equipped for it. John still defeats him. The Elite is as physically strong as John, that is all. It didn't stop him from losing that fight against an averagely strong, averagely skilled Spartan. Which is what John is. He's far from proficient in zero G combat, unlike say Vinh who was the only Spartan who excelled at that.

I believe that was Vinh. Can't recall. Maybe Anton?

[Edited on 04.17.2011 1:06 PM PDT]

  • 04.17.2011 1:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: forthnback
Actually, Chief wasn't a match at all for the black armored Elite in the bridge. He had to have outside help + an escape pod. He didn't win that battle.

Anyway, Fall of Reach, gamma station. Chief is rested, uninjured, and absolutely fine. I think it was a blue armored elite (Minor or ranger, both which aren't the strongest Elites around) was an equal match to him.


Never said he won. Just that he stalemated it. He won with outside help, but that was eventually and is also irrelevant. Just that the Elite was a match for him in melee under very stacked circumstance. It's a testament to his ability that after fighting nonstop for three days he didn't simply collapse, let alone put up a struggle.

As for the second part, they mentioned many Elites jetpacking after them and trying to cut them off. They enter the ship, John investigates a nearby shadow, and an Elite attacks him. They have a zero g melee battle, which favors the Elite since he is equipped for it. John still defeats him. The Elite is as physically strong as John, that is all. It didn't stop him from losing that fight against an averagely strong, averagely skilled Spartan. Which is what John is. He's far from proficient in zero G combat, unlike say Vinh who was the only Spartan who excelled at that.

I believe that was Vinh. Can't recall. Maybe Anton?


Li was the Spartan that was an expert in Zero-G combat. He died aboard the Ascendant Justice along with Anton(I belive) and Polaski.

  • 04.17.2011 1:15 PM PDT

Skirting around the fact that it was stated the Elite in hand to hand was too "evenly matched in strength" to master chief.

I'll point out some things.

A: Disliking does not = not proficient. All Spartan IIs received zero G combat training.
B: It again, shows the fact that Chief in hand to hand against elites or brutes normally does not fair the best for him.
C: Master chief, fully rested and all, MAY have been a match for the black armored Elite on the bridge. Tired as he was? He wasn't a match. He barely held on.

D: Six didn't mention the field marshall, simple said "Shield strength" matched what had been encountered concerning Elites in addition to Jorge saying their armor matched Zealots.

So yeah, personal viewpoint? Hand to Hand? If it's a CQC specialist Spartan? Spartan might win. If not? Close fight, could end with Spartan dying. The Field Marshall rank is akin, from what I can gather, to a fleet master. Like the Zealots and Ultras(of Halo 2), these are the BEST Elites.

  • 04.17.2011 1:42 PM PDT

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