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I haven't read all 28 pages, so I don't know if this has been said already.
But what if the BOBs spawn inside the banshees and disappear again at 'random' times? Like during the other missions, but leave the banshee still flying around.
That could be something someone could look into, but I myself don't have the patience, or the skill, to do it.

  • 04.27.2011 11:58 AM PDT

***NEW DEVELOPMENT ON EXODUS***

No real BOB has been found, but I have found a way to get outside the map at he part before the elevator/before you get your jetpack. After exploring, I avoided the death walls and am now walking/floating in air somewhat under the map itself.
Perhaps this can help us find it. It might be helpful to have multiple people playing to cause checkpoints which could spawn a bob. I'm not big on making videos, but if anyone would like to see this trick, add me and i will gladly show you. Nothing real special yet, but I'm pretty sure this has never been done.

  • 04.27.2011 12:10 PM PDT


Posted by: Duo Oratar

While you have many good points, the idea of replacing one armor with another is not a good one. Yes that is the nature of patching, but how could you patch the BoB helmet in by say, wiping out the EOD helmet without causing an absolute firestorm among the lovers of the EOD helmet?


I'm just saying that patching things after the fact that would be simple (not the least bit "impossible")... you could make it so if the user does the steps necessary to unlock a new armor, it could simply overwrite the *default* Reach armor (or something along those lines).

Keep in mind, this wouldn't be forced upon the user, we're talking about a scenario where the user has gone to great lengths to unlock something (in which case, overwriting the default armor wouldn't be a big loss.)

And, it could be made to be reversible, since the default armor is on disc.

[Edited on 04.27.2011 12:12 PM PDT]

  • 04.27.2011 12:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: MuggyBasilisk
Kira,

Whether you're a troll or not, I just want to point out that your comments as a supposed software developer hold little-to-no water.

First of all, splitting up a mesh file and having some code to re-assemble it would not consume very much space. The sum of the parts of the mesh file would be the same as if the file was in one contiguous piece, and the code to reassemble it would be very small and simple. A very small amount of overhead to disguise something on disc.

As well, you keep saying "if it were on disc, it would have been found by now." There are many simple ways you could hide mesh files... it could easily be compressed on the disc with a modified compression algorithm (thereby re-using the existing decompression code and not "wasting space" as you put it) which would essentially result in it being encrypted. This would hide it from plain sight.

Those are both very rudimentary tricks (all of which you've completely overlooked, despite your *expertise*).

And finally, you say they could not make new armour available because it's hardcoded on a per-map basis. Again, you need to think a bit. For example, say a map is hardcoded to allow armors A,B,C. You say it can't use armor D, because everything would need to be rewritten.

The easier way to do it? Overwrite armor A on the harddrive with armor D (but calling it armor A) and then it will be used. Yes, you'd clobber Armor A, but not a big loss, and a very simple way to implement what you deem is "impossible".

It's the nature of patching software. You replace a binary file with an updated version with the same name. Software development 101 (but you know this, right? :)

Sure, the scenario above describes a situation where the user has installed Reach on their harddrive, but that's not a stretch, and it sure wouldn't be the only HD-only aspect of Reach.

I'm not saying this is what has been done, just pointing out that something you claim is "impossible" would be easy to do.



To start, i am not a software developper nor do i recall ever saying i was one.

I studied in web design where we had some of the courses focus on mostly java/php.

For the file being in numerous pieces, i'm saying what is my opinion, i'm not claiming to be right, but so far, excluding you, people have replied to me with little or no arguments to my posts other then feeling the need to call me a troll.
Your post on the other hand, is well constructed and you obviously seems to know more than me in this domain, one in wich i still have lots to learn.


I said, and will keep on saying, if it was there on the disk, somebody at this point in time would of found it, maybe not right away, but it would.
You're giving out to moders out there everything they need to be able to look into the Reach files, the disk itself.
Encrypted or not, the game has been out for 8 months now? Not 8 days.

As for the patching idea, don't forget we are talking about a game, not a computer software where you can remove/add options with each new versions.
People, obviously, want the "Defiant helmet, or bob helmet", but would everybody feel okay to have to give something up for it?
You would want to add new stuff to the game without attracting more complaints towards you.

  • 04.27.2011 12:32 PM PDT

It doesn't matter if the modders can look at the disc contents. To circumvent the things I've listed, they'd also need to reverse engineer the source code, which I'd say they have not. So, with that in mind, 8 months isn't a big deal.

Again, just saying it's not nearly impossible... It would just be a matter of swapping out objects/textures while retaining filenames.

I'm pretty sure the people willing to put in the effort to unlock hidden armor wouldn't have a problem with the game swapping out the default helmet with the holy grail one. And like I said, it would be easy enough to make it revertible.

And also again, not saying this is what Bungie has done. I just quickly rattled a few ideas off the top of my head and could come up with simple solutions around what the community thinks are restrictions. Bungie are much smarter than me, and I'm sure could easily come up with much more elagant solutions.

For example, if the code was written to support it, you could replace a file containing armor A with a new file containing both armor A and "the newly unlocked armor X". Would be easy to do, and it wouldn't result in anyone having to give anything up.

Anyways, we should probably stop hijacking this thread. I just read a lot statements to the effect of "don't waste your time looking for new armor, it's not on the disc, and would be impossible to incorporate into the game" and wanted to point out that neither of those claims are necessarily true.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if there was encrypted disc-locked content.

[Edited on 04.27.2011 1:01 PM PDT]

  • 04.27.2011 12:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Blueprint
I own 3 snapbacks, Advance towards me.

So where is the list of the bobs?

  • 04.27.2011 1:08 PM PDT


Posted by: Mike Froese
So where is the list of the bobs?


http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/BOB

  • 04.27.2011 1:50 PM PDT

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the helmets just looks like GUNGNIR and EOD nothing special looking anyway
doubt it's relevant if it was i would be announced like recon was

  • 04.27.2011 2:05 PM PDT

bump

*im going to try and get a group together to search more today, anyone down?

  • 04.28.2011 11:30 AM PDT


Posted by: WPooney
bump

*im going to try and get a group together to search more today, anyone down?


I can be on, I'm getting a group together on the weekend hopefully, when are you going?

  • 04.28.2011 11:52 AM PDT

Posted by: Duo Oratar

Posted by: WPooney
bump

*im going to try and get a group together to search more today, anyone down?


I can be on, I'm getting a group together on the weekend hopefully, when are you going?


im on right now, but whenever is best i can play

  • 04.28.2011 11:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: WPooney
***NEW DEVELOPMENT ON EXODUS***

No real BOB has been found, but I have found a way to get outside the map at he part before the elevator/before you get your jetpack. After exploring, I avoided the death walls and am now walking/floating in air somewhat under the map itself.
Perhaps this can help us find it. It might be helpful to have multiple people playing to cause checkpoints which could spawn a bob. I'm not big on making videos, but if anyone would like to see this trick, add me and i will gladly show you. Nothing real special yet, but I'm pretty sure this has never been done.

maybe seems logical to me

  • 04.28.2011 12:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Joe Goad
I haven't read all 28 pages, so I don't know if this has been said already.
But what if the BOBs spawn inside the banshees and disappear again at 'random' times? Like during the other missions, but leave the banshee still flying around.
That could be something someone could look into, but I myself don't have the patience, or the skill, to do it.


That's a very interesting theory... Nice work! That may just be the answer.

  • 04.28.2011 4:34 PM PDT

Ok so we had a two hourish BoB hunt last night with myself, WPooney, omg its fede and Laxplayer32 (that's his B.net). We found the following:

1:A door on Exodus that closes once you go through it, but opens again later.

2:A shipping container it is possible to climb inside.

3: Several alcoves on Exodus that weirdly don't have kill barriers.

4: No BoBs.

5: There is no BoB at 5 minutes on the Club Errera landing pad.

6: There is no BoB across the first wide open area on Exodus.

7: There is no BoB at 5 minutes on the Sinoviet landing pad.

8: The pelican easter egg is really fun.

A lot of myths debunked, but no new BoBs.

  • 04.29.2011 2:37 AM PDT

War does not determine who is right, only who is left.

Soo...

What if that BoB helmet and picture is actually just a preview to Halo 4?

Rofl.

  • 04.29.2011 3:11 AM PDT

Register at your local Vault Tec office today! The world might not be there tomorrow...

I've got a question... are the Military Police and CQB helmets on the disc? I believe those two are unlocked via Waypoint.

What about UA/Multi Threat chest? Gamestop D/L code from what I remember.

If those aren't on the disc, maybe the point is for the Defiant helmet to be unlocked and downloaded via Bungie.net?

Just a thought.

BTW, I'm currently going through each mission on Legendary and killing a BOB per mission.

Winter Contingency. x
ONI: Sword Base. x
Nightfall. x
Long Night of Solace.
Exodus. x (DataPads)
New Alexandria. x
The Package.
Pillar of Autumn.

  • 04.29.2011 3:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: WPooney
***NEW DEVELOPMENT ON EXODUS***

No real BOB has been found, but I have found a way to get outside the map at he part before the elevator/before you get your jetpack. After exploring, I avoided the death walls and am now walking/floating in air somewhat under the map itself.
Perhaps this can help us find it. It might be helpful to have multiple people playing to cause checkpoints which could spawn a bob. I'm not big on making videos, but if anyone would like to see this trick, add me and i will gladly show you. Nothing real special yet, but I'm pretty sure this has never been done.


The first time I flew a pelican me and my friends went down there. It was a while back and we were messing around for hours down there seeing how far we could walk before hitting walls. The way we got there was I was driving and had people in the back of it and I jumped out but they didn't die from the fall.

  • 04.29.2011 3:48 AM PDT

Im' a ninja

maybe the bo on exodus is a wanna be civilian !!! so everybody is afraid to kill the civilians but maybe one is a bob!!!

  • 04.29.2011 4:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: Joe Goad
I haven't read all 28 pages, so I don't know if this has been said already.
But what if the BOBs spawn inside the banshees and disappear again at 'random' times? Like during the other missions, but leave the banshee still flying around.
That could be something someone could look into, but I myself don't have the patience, or the skill, to do it.


yeah it was said, and by me no less! but anyway, ive been spending time thinking up theories, and still nothing :/

  • 04.29.2011 4:31 AM PDT

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I do remember Bungie talking about Commmunity "benchmarks", similar to the Rank Cap lifting (I think it was 117 million challenges completed or something). Do you think BOBs are related to this? Maybe we need to kill a cubic ass-ton of BOBs and then somthing will unlock? Maybe we weren't going fast enough, so Bungie gave us a little nudge with the "Golden Opportunity" challenges?

I don't know man. I don't know.

  • 04.29.2011 4:41 AM PDT


Posted by: Lance Burrito

Posted by: WPooney
***NEW DEVELOPMENT ON EXODUS***

No real BOB has been found, but I have found a way to get outside the map at he part before the elevator/before you get your jetpack. After exploring, I avoided the death walls and am now walking/floating in air somewhat under the map itself.
Perhaps this can help us find it. It might be helpful to have multiple people playing to cause checkpoints which could spawn a bob. I'm not big on making videos, but if anyone would like to see this trick, add me and i will gladly show you. Nothing real special yet, but I'm pretty sure this has never been done.


The first time I flew a pelican me and my friends went down there. It was a while back and we were messing around for hours down there seeing how far we could walk before hitting walls. The way we got there was I was driving and had people in the back of it and I jumped out but they didn't die from the fall.


oh that's cool, but wait, you can fly a pelican on exodus?

  • 04.29.2011 8:49 AM PDT


Posted by: StateOfRuin
I've got a question... are the Military Police and CQB helmets on the disc? I believe those two are unlocked via Waypoint.

What about UA/Multi Threat chest? Gamestop D/L code from what I remember.

If those aren't on the disc, maybe the point is for the Defiant helmet to be unlocked and downloaded via Bungie.net?

Just a thought.

BTW, I'm currently going through each mission on Legendary and killing a BOB per mission.

Winter Contingency. x
ONI: Sword Base. x
Nightfall. x
Long Night of Solace.
Exodus. x (DataPads)
New Alexandria. x
The Package.
Pillar of Autumn.


They are on the disc, otherwise if you hadn't downloaded them you wouldn't be able to see if other people were wearing them. The thing you download is just a key that unlocks it for your own use.


Posted by: ShfiftyShfive55
I do remember Bungie talking about Commmunity "benchmarks", similar to the Rank Cap lifting (I think it was 117 million challenges completed or something). Do you think BOBs are related to this? Maybe we need to kill a cubic ass-ton of BOBs and then somthing will unlock? Maybe we weren't going fast enough, so Bungie gave us a little nudge with the "Golden Opportunity" challenges?

I don't know man. I don't know.


I thought this a while back, because they said they planned on doing several of those, and they did... one. It would also be an easier thing to track than tracking individual BoB kills per mission.

  • 04.29.2011 11:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: CHARLEYxPOP
maybe the bo on exodus is a wanna be civilian !!! so everybody is afraid to kill the civilians but maybe one is a bob!!!


I swear if one of the civilians has one of those huge eye balls I'll freak out.

  • 04.29.2011 12:16 PM PDT

Posted by: Dragoonmanly

Posted by: CHARLEYxPOP
maybe the bo on exodus is a wanna be civilian !!! so everybody is afraid to kill the civilians but maybe one is a bob!!!


I swear if one of the civilians has one of those huge eye balls I'll freak out.


i thought about this as well, along with the random animals like the birds and rats on the map..that is quite a stretch though..haha

  • 04.29.2011 12:40 PM PDT

Seriously Oak, Ive been doing this -blam!- for 16 years, gimmie my Friggen starter Pokemon and dont call me till im the champion! ¬_¬

So the BWU is up, So i get to post this first :P

Someone submited a paper bag with our new mystery helmet on it for the All star contest, to which got the tagline "Hey Bob"

Im guessing very much that this is relevent c:


Posted by: WPooney
Posted by: Dragoonmanly

Posted by: CHARLEYxPOP
maybe the bo on exodus is a wanna be civilian !!! so everybody is afraid to kill the civilians but maybe one is a bob!!!


I swear if one of the civilians has one of those huge eye balls I'll freak out.


i thought about this as well, along with the random animals like the birds and rats on the map..that is quite a stretch though..haha


This sounds about right actually, BOB's in marathon were human, so theres nothing to say one of the civies cant be a Bob

If thats the case, keep an eye open for Bob Moa's :P

[Edited on 04.29.2011 4:28 PM PDT]

  • 04.29.2011 4:26 PM PDT