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My friend has been informing me of a few tricks which can be done in Halo. One allows for instant reloading of your weapon. Another trick for unlimited ammo. Both of these can be done in multiplayer and apparently a lot of people are doing this over XBC, Gamespy, etc. Also, I am aware that many people have known about the instant reload trick for quite some time.

I must admit that I have tried these out and found them to be not exactly practical in all situations. If I were playing a match and someone beat me down only due to such cheap tricks, I would probably get upset about it. Now that I know, I could always retaliate. However, I tend to think the game is more fun when based on skill and not depending on an instant reload trick.

I know that performing these tricks can be the primary style of play for some advanced gamers. Halo has been out for almost 3 years and people have been playing the hell out of it. I guess it's sort of a natural progression that players would eventually discover, and come to rely on, particular exploits. Do you think those exploits kill the game or add to it?

[Edited on 8/27/2004 3:27:46 PM]

  • 08.27.2004 1:21 PM PDT
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How do u instant reload???

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works for ar, sr, rl, needler, pistol, but not shotgun!

fire weapon, reload, B when MC puts clip in, WOW! A LOADED GUN! (not sarcastic and im not calling you stupid cause i asked the same thing. LOLLL

  • 08.27.2004 4:27 PM PDT
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This is a thread about the use of cheating being a bad thing... don't come on asking for cheats or discussing them... if you can't win without cheats, practice more... a hrad won victory is much better than a conceited one... (that is the right word right?)

  • 08.27.2004 5:02 PM PDT
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Yes, 'conceited' is a word, but I believe you intend to use the word 'conceded.'

I have no problem with cheating under the condition that I have already completed the game without cheats. But cheats can be good when simply exploring.

  • 08.27.2004 7:55 PM PDT
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they're talking about multiplayer though

  • 08.27.2004 8:06 PM PDT
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cheating is cheating i think one of the things that make halo a great game is that there is no real cheats just glitches any way how do you get unlimeted ammo/ quick reload?

  • 08.27.2004 8:51 PM PDT
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"Spudlocker" read the above posts before posting.

  • 08.27.2004 11:44 PM PDT

bah

There are many little glitches to use in multiplayer.
1. Quick reload: Reload long reload time weapons faster.
2. Infinite ammo: Not practical with anything but rockets.
3. Double melee: Melee, chuck a 'nade, then melee again, step back.
4. Never reload: Fire, switch weapons, fire some more, switch back, gun reloaded.
5. Quick inviz: Become invisible in an instant.

These are the ones I use. They are not cheating since anyone can do them, and we have agreed they are fair play. Get to know them. I'd use them in a game on XBC even if they said not to. That's like asking me not to use the S2AM. If you don't want me using it, take it out of the map. If you don't want me using these glitches, you obviously suck too much to use them and you deserve my utter domination.

P.S. AotCR and TB with infinite rockets=fun time.

[Edited on 8/28/2004 1:24:16 AM]

  • 08.28.2004 1:23 AM PDT
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Well advanced gamers like me do use them. Why wouldn't you use them? If you think the person who is using these glitches sucks. That person doesn't because it also takes some skill to perform these glitches.

  • 08.28.2004 9:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: The Rip Saw
There are many little glitches to use in multiplayer.
1. Quick reload: Reload long reload time weapons faster.
2. Infinite ammo: Not practical with anything but rockets.
3. Double melee: Melee, chuck a 'nade, then melee again, step back.
4. Never reload: Fire, switch weapons, fire some more, switch back, gun reloaded.
5. Quick inviz: Become invisible in an instant.

These are the ones I use. They are not cheating since anyone can do them, and we have agreed they are fair play. Get to know them. I'd use them in a game on XBC even if they said not to. That's like asking me not to use the S2AM. If you don't want me using it, take it out of the map. If you don't want me using these glitches, you obviously suck too much to use them and you deserve my utter domination.

P.S. AotCR and TB with infinite rockets=fun time.


I don't even know what to say to this. It's just an absolutely stupid thing to say. Pathetic.

They are not cheating since anyone can do them

It's not a matter of if "everyone can do them" you dip, every -blam!- with half a brain can cheat. It's a matter of whether they break the boundries of what is "legal." Are you supposed to quickly reload, have infinite ammo and quick invisible? No. Therefore you are cheating.

I'd use them in a game on XBC even if they said not to. That's like asking me not to use the S2AM.

This immediatly proves that you are a jackass. There is a very large differance between being told to not use a weapon and being told to not CHEAT. It also proves that you are UNABLE to WIN unless you CHEAT. You probably couldn't win dick if you tried to play the game like MOST FAIR people DO.

If you don't want me using it, take it out of the map.

More proof of your jackass-ness. If people want a FUN and FAIR game, they're not going to CATER TO a CHEATER. It just proves how much of an -blam!- you are by saying "well, if you don't want me to cheat, you'll have to get rid of some stuff." It just proves once again that you can't win without CHEATING.

If you don't want me using these glitches, you obviously suck too much to use them and you deserve my utter domination.

Do you have any idea how ABSOLUTELY STUPID THAT IS?? ANY IDEA AT ALL? I don't think I've ever seen such a ignorant, lazy, -blam!-headed comment in all my life. People don't use them because they want to play a FAIR game, they want to play a FUN game. They don't want to play your TYPE OF GAME, where you just run around and CHEAT. And once AGAIN, it's further proof that YOU cannot WIN without those dumbass cheats.

People like you piss me off. Your ignorant enough to believe that your better than EVERYONE else, when really, your just another dumbass.
Idiot.

  • 08.28.2004 10:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: TemplaerDude
Posted by: The Rip Saw
There are many little glitches to use in multiplayer.
1. Quick reload: Reload long reload time weapons faster.
2. Infinite ammo: Not practical with anything but rockets.
3. Double melee: Melee, chuck a 'nade, then melee again, step back.
4. Never reload: Fire, switch weapons, fire some more, switch back, gun reloaded.
5. Quick inviz: Become invisible in an instant.

These are the ones I use. They are not cheating since anyone can do them, and we have agreed they are fair play. Get to know them. I'd use them in a game on XBC even if they said not to. That's like asking me not to use the S2AM. If you don't want me using it, take it out of the map. If you don't want me using these glitches, you obviously suck too much to use them and you deserve my utter domination.

P.S. AotCR and TB with infinite rockets=fun time.


I don't even know what to say to this. It's just an absolutely stupid thing to say. Pathetic.

They are not cheating since anyone can do them

It's not a matter of if "everyone can do them" you dip, every -blam!- with half a brain can cheat. It's a matter of whether they break the boundries of what is "legal." Are you supposed to quickly reload, have infinite ammo and quick invisible? No. Therefore you are cheating.

I'd use them in a game on XBC even if they said not to. That's like asking me not to use the S2AM.

This immediatly proves that you are a jackass. There is a very large differance between being told to not use a weapon and being told to not CHEAT. It also proves that you are UNABLE to WIN unless you CHEAT. You probably couldn't win dick if you tried to play the game like MOST FAIR people DO.

If you don't want me using it, take it out of the map.

More proof of your jackass-ness. If people want a FUN and FAIR game, they're not going to CATER TO a CHEATER. It just proves how much of an -blam!- you are by saying "well, if you don't want me to cheat, you'll have to get rid of some stuff." It just proves once again that you can't win without CHEATING.

If you don't want me using these glitches, you obviously suck too much to use them and you deserve my utter domination.

Do you have any idea how ABSOLUTELY STUPID THAT IS?? ANY IDEA AT ALL? I don't think I've ever seen such a ignorant, lazy, -blam!-headed comment in all my life. People don't use them because they want to play a FAIR game, they want to play a FUN game. They don't want to play your TYPE OF GAME, where you just run around and CHEAT. And once AGAIN, it's further proof that YOU cannot WIN without those dumbass cheats.

People like you piss me off. Your ignorant enough to believe that your better than EVERYONE else, when really, your just another dumbass.
Idiot.


Yes, I completely agree, they are glitches and were NOT meant to be in the game, and not meant to be used in the game, and because they are errors in the game code, I count them as cheats. When the designers were making maps, they did not have these things in mind, you were not meant to do these things. They simply detract from the gameplay, which is why Bungie did not willingly put these things in, and why they are making sure they won't be in Halo 2.

  • 08.28.2004 10:37 AM PDT
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If you were smart, you'd take all that crap you said back. Rip Saw will RIP you apart when he sees this thread.

Are you mad because you cannot use these glitches for your satisfaction? These aren't cheats, these are expert ways to play the game. We don't use chips, we don't type any codes in. What you are saying is that "our skill is too great".

If you want to face someone without using skill go find another person who doesn't know how to play. Almost everyone I know who plays Halo uses these glitches . So you are saying that everyone who plays Halo multiplayer is a cheater? I think not, theses glitches are what helps wins battles. You are just mad because you get your butt kicked by them probably. Learn to use them, become skilled.

Use them or be killed by them, you must like dying a lot, lol.

  • 08.28.2004 11:27 AM PDT
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I think what TemplaerDude meant was that to use the glitches in a game where the other players had agreed not to use them would make you a jackass, which I agree with. However, if the glitches make you play better, than I think if everyone has the knowledge of them and is fine with their (the glitches) use than why not use them? All that matters is having fun and competing to see who has more skill under certain circumstances.

  • 08.28.2004 11:42 AM PDT
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I agree with Creeping Death..it makes me sick..
P.S "This immediatly proves that you are a jackass." --> Priceless !! That was hilarious !

  • 08.28.2004 5:01 PM PDT
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Yeah, the s**t will literally hit the fan when Rip Saw sees this. He'll offer all you flamers using XBC (probably with you as the server for the advantage), swear not to cheat and still kick all your asses. Man that guy will have a field day!

Me and my gaming friends find that using these glicthes makes the gameplay much faster and therefore makes the game more intense and fun.

Its not like these shortcuts are hard to learn, the majority of them needs you to input close to rock all to do them. Just quit whining about some glitches that people use to make the game more interesting. YOU don't HAVE to use them anyway, but they're there for the taking if you're intelliegent enough to take advantage.

The majority of gamers know and use these to some extent anyway. Are you seriously considering sticking with 'no glitches'? I think someone is gunna get an ass-whooping...

  • 08.28.2004 5:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Josher 35
If you were smart, you'd take all that crap you said back. Rip Saw will RIP you apart when he sees this thread.

Are you mad because you cannot use these glitches for your satisfaction? These aren't cheats, these are expert ways to play the game. We don't use chips, we don't type any codes in. What you are saying is that "our skill is too great".

If you want to face someone without using skill go find another person who doesn't know how to play. Almost everyone I know who plays Halo uses these glitches . So you are saying that everyone who plays Halo multiplayer is a cheater? I think not, theses glitches are what helps wins battles. You are just mad because you get your butt kicked by them probably. Learn to use them, become skilled.

Use them or be killed by them, you must like dying a lot, lol.


Okay... I have some stuff to say... Rip Saw, in my eyes, doesn't appear to be his usual self, but that doesn't give those guys a rite to abuse him, and undoubtedly he will be upset. However those guys have a point.

These glitches were not programmed into the game, hence being glitches, as such using them is not a 'skill' it is like a form of hacking the game you are playing. You play RPG games and hexedit your characters to give them ultimate stats, this is a glitch but it's also cheating in the extreme. How can you possibly think that playing without needing to reload or with full ammo is fair and skillful?

It makes more sense to me now why so many frop kicks finish the game on Legendary... because they are 'skilled' as you say, and not playing the game as it was intended.

Now you're probably going to say, "well they left it in there, it's their mistake!" but I have 2 words for you... Rushed Production...

They were unable to sort out all the floors in the game, therefore creating these glitches, but that doesn't entire you to play the system to your own benefit. If you had any honour or any conscience for that matter, you'd play on level ground the way it was intended to be done...

And whoever said that everyone knew and could use these... you're wrong. This is the first I've heard of cheating/'skillful playing' apart from people claiming to go through walls or into the roof of a map.

I urge you not to flame as well... it does nobody any good...
Tristan

  • 08.28.2004 6:03 PM PDT
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Well this definitly isn't a one sided topic. So I think we should stop saying "No, you're wrong" if you believe differently then someone else. I wonder what Halo 2 will bring though.

  • 08.28.2004 6:40 PM PDT
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No offense but sayign that is a bit of a cop out to answering what I have said. I am not just saying you're wrong, I am providing you a well thought and formatted argument.

The only person here trying to shut down anybody elses point of view currently is yourself by changing the subject and ignoring me. ;-)

Tristan

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Posted by: Gaara of Sand
No offense but sayign that is a bit of a cop out to answering what I have said. I am not just saying you're wrong, I am providing you a well thought and formatted argument.

The only person here trying to shut down anybody elses point of view currently is yourself by changing the subject and ignoring me. ;-)

Tristan


Are you talking to me? People have different views on the matter. It's pointless to go on arguing which one is right since it's based on opinion. No one is wrong and no one is right, so don't tell me that I can't say what I said just because you wrote an argument all nice and pretty. The fact is, is that it won't change anything.

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i have to agree with gaara

  • 08.28.2004 6:54 PM PDT
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This is a discussion board and if we aren't talking based on our own opinions or knowledge then what exactly are we doing... this discussion serves to inform people as to what they are doing, and how other people view it... it is not here to simply argue pointlessly, if that;s the way you see it to be Josher, then by all means don't participate... it's your choice

Tristan

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No by all means, go on discussing. I'm saying that don't plan on winning this arguement because it's too even sided. I wasn't telling you to stop posting your thoughts on the subject.

  • 08.28.2004 7:59 PM PDT

bah

Man, you guys are like wine, and I'm an alchoholic who just quit. You make it hard on me, really hard. But since I have to "play nice" if I don't want a temp ban, I'll not use that one word, and I'll make my flames so subtle, even the mods won't see them.
Posted by: TemplaerDude
I don't even know what to say to this. It's just an absolutely stupid thing to say. Pathetic.
Wow. What you just said is dumb, really dumb. So dumb, I can't even tell you why. Dumb.It's not a matter of if "everyone can do them" you dip, every -blam!- with half a brain can cheat. It's a matter of whether they break the boundries of what is "legal." Are you supposed to quickly reload, have infinite ammo and quick invisible? No. Therefore you are cheating.How do yuo even know? Maybe Bungie put these in so they could cheat. There's a reason old-skool always beats the guys with quick reflexes.This immediatly proves that you are a jackass. There is a very large differance between being told to not use a weapon and being told to not CHEAT.No, this proves I am intelligent, and willing to use evreything at my disposal to win. Ask me a question, do I like guns? No, I hate guns, a lot. Any idiot can kill someone with a gun. I could kill the world's best marksman with a gun at 1,000 yards when he wasn't looking. Does that mean I won't carry a gun? Hell no, because I know some other jackass will. If I knew for sure that they wouldn't cheat, I wouldn't. But I don't know that, so I'll use them.More proof of your jackass-ness. If people want a FUN and FAIR game, they're not going to CATER TO a CHEATER. It just proves how much of an -blam!- you are by saying "well, if you don't want me to cheat, you'll have to get rid of some stuff." It just proves once again that you can't win without CHEATING.If people want fairness, don't play a game with glitches over the net. Play it in a LAN where you can physically reach out and beat people.Do you have any idea how ABSOLUTELY STUPID THAT IS?? ANY IDEA AT ALL? I don't think I've ever seen such a ignorant, lazy, -blam!-headed comment in all my life. People don't use them because they want to play a FAIR game, they want to play a FUN game. They don't want to play your TYPE OF GAME, where you just run around and CHEAT. And once AGAIN, it's further proof that YOU cannot WIN without those dumbass cheats.It's very apparent to me that you don't ever use these "cheats." If you did, you'd realize that they don't make or break a game. Any good player can defeat a bad player, no matter how much the bad player uses "cheats."It also proves that you are UNABLE to WIN unless you CHEAT. You probably couldn't win dick if you tried to play the game like MOST FAIR people DO.Name the time, I'll be there to kick your ass at Halo 2 (after 3:00 PM, and after the first week, and assuming my friend lets me come over to play over LIVE as I have 56k).People like you piss me off. Your ignorant enough to believe that your better than EVERYONE else, when really, your just another dumbass.No, I'm good enough to believe I can beat all the stupid ignorant people out there.Idiot.Word I'm not allowed to use.

  • 08.28.2004 10:26 PM PDT

bah

Posted by: Gaara of Sand
Okay... I have some stuff to say... Rip Saw, in my eyes, doesn't appear to be his usual self, but that doesn't give those guys a rite to abuse him, and undoubtedly he will be upset. However those guys have a point.
Actually, I am more my usual self than I have been. I'm more like I was before the new hotness, sort of (but to you, I am different, keen eye).You play RPG games and hexedit your characters to give them ultimate stats, this is a glitch but it's also cheating in the extreme.Think about that, it's not a glitch at all, it's totally cheating.It makes more sense to me now why so many frop kicks finish the game on Legendary... because they are 'skilled' as you say, and not playing the game as it was intended.I beat Legendary long before I knew of any of these glitches.Now you're probably going to say, "well they left it in there, it's their mistake!" but I have 2 words for you... Rushed Production...Damn straight! If it was up to me, there'd be no glitches. But then again, I wish there were no guns...They were unable to sort out all the floors in the game, therefore creating these glitches, but that doesn't entire you to play the system to your own benefit. If you had any honour or any conscience for that matter, you'd play on level ground the way it was intended to be done...Over XBC, there is no fair ground. There is always LAG. Play on a LAN. If we're on a LAN, and we say no glitches, I won't use them.And whoever said that everyone knew and could use these... you're wrong. This is the first I've heard of cheating/'skillful playing' apart from people claiming to go through walls or into the roof of a map.Hehehe... Well, you've got us there. You see, people don't like to share these things, because it gives them an edge. Well, I share these with my friends, but only after I've dominated them once or twice, just to show how clever I am. That's cheating.I urge you not to flame as well... it does nobody any good...Damn straight! Good man, you are. Intelligent, makes good points, doesn't say stuff like "I don't even know what to say to this. It's just an absolutely stupid thing to say. Pathetic." Thank you.

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