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Subject: Noble 6, better than most S-IIs?

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
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According to Halsey, B312 is hyper-lethal. John is the only other Spartan to share that title.
Could it be possible that B312 is better than most S-IIs?

  • 04.17.2011 9:15 PM PDT

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Noble Six>A lot of S-IIs

  • 04.17.2011 9:22 PM PDT

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Spartans II lived longer than the whole Noble Team. Noble Six died young, most of the Spartans II died older than any Spartan III. Meaning?! that they survived more battles.

Spartans II > any Spartan III (even with MJOLNIR ARMOR).

  • 04.17.2011 9:26 PM PDT

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Six, by himself, made entire rebel groups vanish, he piloted a Sabre with multiple successful missions, and his combat effectiveness mached John-117's. Six easily outclasses a vast majority of S-IIs. Don't give me that S-II's are always better bull-blam!-.

  • 04.17.2011 9:28 PM PDT

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He cannot match Spartan117 just by the fact, that MC has fought longer time and killed more than any other Spartan, Six was the closest, that doesn't mean he was stronger than Sam, or faster than Kelly, or skillful like Linda. Will killed one hunter with bare hands, no other Spartan ever had done that before, Fred, Kelly and Joshua blowed up a Covenant Carrier and 10k troops on Reach with a Nuke.

The chief destroyed 1 Halo, Covenant and flood together and the flood completly with the remnants of the Covenant in the ark.

I think Spartans II are way better than Spartans III.

  • 04.17.2011 9:33 PM PDT

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Remember when I said Six is bette rthan MOST S-IIs? The records of John, Linda, Kelly, Fred, and Sam are all impressive. But so is Six's.

  • 04.17.2011 9:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Remember when I said Six is bette rthan MOST S-IIs? The records of John, Linda, Kelly, Fred, and Sam are all impressive. But so is Six's.


Yep, the only difference is that most of them are still alive and Six is dead with the rest of the none impressive Spartans.

[Edited on 04.17.2011 9:40 PM PDT]

  • 04.17.2011 9:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Remember when I said Six is bette rthan MOST S-IIs? The records of John, Linda, Kelly, Fred, and Sam are all impressive. But so is Six's.


Yep, the only difference is that most of them are still alive and Six is death with the rest of the none impressive Spartans.

Most of the S-IIs are alive? Are you serious?

  • 04.17.2011 9:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Remember when I said Six is bette rthan MOST S-IIs? The records of John, Linda, Kelly, Fred, and Sam are all impressive. But so is Six's.


Yep, the only difference is that most of them are still alive and Six is death with the rest of the none impressive Spartans.

Most of the S-IIs are alive? Are you serious?


Ok, like kinder garden, by "most of them" I mean: John, Linda, Kelly, Fred, (probably Gray Team, Black Team) Oh! and the Red team from Halo Wars, under command of Captain Cutter.

[Edited on 04.17.2011 9:46 PM PDT]

  • 04.17.2011 9:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Remember when I said Six is bette rthan MOST S-IIs? The records of John, Linda, Kelly, Fred, and Sam are all impressive. But so is Six's.


Yep, the only difference is that most of them are still alive and Six is death with the rest of the none impressive Spartans.

Most of the S-IIs are alive? Are you serious?


Ok, like kinder garden, by "most of them" I mean: John, Linda, Kelly, Fred, (probably Gray Team, Black Team)

So around 10 of the about 34 Spartan-IIs is most? I can't account for Gray Team, but I think Black Team is dead. My opinion though, I mean, they had an army of Covenant coming right for them. Spartans are good, but they aren't invincible.

  • 04.17.2011 9:46 PM PDT

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Black team dead? with out source, Black, Gray and Red Team (from the spirit of fire) would remain unknown.

[Edited on 04.17.2011 9:49 PM PDT]

  • 04.17.2011 9:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: MasterSin
Black team dead? source? or lies.

Like Kindergarden, "in my opinion they are dead". See, I can be condesending as well.

  • 04.17.2011 9:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: MasterSin
Black team dead? source? or lies.

Like Kindergarden, "in my opinion they are dead". See, I can be condesending as well.


Assumptions are your own speculation, can't be valid unless you are a writer from 343 industries. So, Lies.

  • 04.17.2011 9:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: MasterSin
Black team dead? source? or lies.

Like Kindergarden, "in my opinion they are dead". See, I can be condesending as well.


Assumptions are your own speculation, can't be valid unless you are a writer from 343 industries. So, Lies.

I never claimed they were dead. I said I THINK they are dead. I never said they were, I said they very well may be dead because a Covanant army was going towards them at the end of the Bloodlines comic.

Again, I never made the claim they are in fact dead, I only stated I think they are. That is an opinion. Understand?

  • 04.17.2011 9:52 PM PDT

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If you read the Cole Protocol, You know Grey team has to apprear as MIA'S because they send them in in a new prowler to go deep behind enemy lines to do some havok behind their ranks, though i cannot assure 100% if they are still alive after Halo 3 events,and also in the fall of reach (the book) when halsey reunites the available spartans for a last meeting , she says "here are all available spartans except 2 killed in action and 3 that are to far away to call" =grey team, Black team and Red team are dead among the spartans of the fall of reach,because Halo Wars events are prior to the fall of reach events

  • 04.17.2011 10:41 PM PDT

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Well yeah, Noble team got to use MJOLNIR armor, thus making them as powerful as any Spartan II at the time. The only thing that'd make a II better than a III using the same armor is experience.

  • 04.18.2011 12:31 AM PDT

If you read the book, you would know Master Chief is not the greatest Spartan ever and had a good bit of difficulty fighting alone.

  • 04.18.2011 12:49 AM PDT
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SIIs could make better decisions under pressure, and they can obviously jump higher than SIIIs, as show in Reach. All in all, a Spartan II would beat Noble 6 any day of the week.

  • 04.18.2011 1:05 AM PDT


Posted by: Zephryon
SIIs could make better decisions under pressure, and they can obviously jump higher than SIIIs, as show in Reach. All in all, a Spartan II would beat Noble 6 any day of the week.


So... Master Chief was a Spartan III in Halo CE then?

Also, Spartan IIs weren't sent on massively high-risk missions at such an early age.

If you had 300 Spartan IIs sent on the suicide missions, with same gear and experience. Guess what? They'd get wiped out. Likewise, if we outfitted the spartan IIIs with MJOLNIR Mark IV (And/or let them get more experience under their belts) the results would have been drastically different.

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Posted by: chemadeca
If you read the Cole Protocol, You know Grey team has to apprear as MIA'S because they send them in in a new prowler to go deep behind enemy lines to do some havok behind their ranks, though i cannot assure 100% if they are still alive after Halo 3 events,and also in the fall of reach (the book) when halsey reunites the available spartans for a last meeting , she says "here are all available spartans except 2 killed in action and 3 that are to far away to call" =grey team, Black team and Red team are dead among the spartans of the fall of reach,because Halo Wars events are prior to the fall of reach events


Halo wars: 2525-2531
Halo reach: 2552
Difference: 21-27 years.

and there on onyx she could very well be speculating

Red team: MIA on spirit of fire.
Black team: MIA presumed KIA.

Your arguement failed slightly.

  • 04.18.2011 2:14 AM PDT
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I heard Fred is better than John in all categories.

Maybe you should ask does Six match with Fred. Considering Blue Team needed a team to eliminate, Six did it alone without backup, he might as well be the greatest Spartan.

  • 04.18.2011 2:18 AM PDT


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Posted by: Zephryon
SIIs could make better decisions under pressure, and they can obviously jump higher than SIIIs, as show in Reach. All in all, a Spartan II would beat Noble 6 any day of the week.


So... Master Chief was a Spartan III in Halo CE then?

Also, Spartan IIs weren't sent on massively high-risk missions at such an early age.

If you had 300 Spartan IIs sent on the suicide missions, with same gear and experience. Guess what? They'd get wiped out. Likewise, if we outfitted the spartan IIIs with MJOLNIR Mark IV (And/or let them get more experience under their belts) the results would have been drastically different.


They wern't super effective on reach and they had the proper gear. Wasn't a suicide mission either and they still all died.


Sigh, so they suck because they died? Awesome logic.

Therefore, pretty much nearly all the spartan IIs sucked. Why? They died.

  • 04.18.2011 2:19 AM PDT

chief strangled with one elite minor fist to fist, Six at the end killed zealots and ultras with his bare hands.
I think their equal.

  • 04.18.2011 2:54 AM PDT


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chief strangled with one elite minor fist to fist, Six at the end killed zealots and ultras with his bare hands.
I think their equal.


When did Chief do that?

  • 04.18.2011 2:59 AM PDT