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Subject: Noble 6, better than most S-IIs?

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Posted by: talz321
chief strangled with one elite minor fist to fist, Six at the end killed zealots and ultras with his bare hands.
I think their equal.


First of all, what?
Second, Chief is still physically stronger than N6 by default.
Third, N6 didn't kill them with his bare hands. He may have knocked them away, but he did not punch them in the face and kill them.
Fourth, he survived for about thirty seconds fighting them off hand to hand. Then he died.

  • 04.18.2011 4:01 AM PDT


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Posted by: talz321
chief strangled with one elite minor fist to fist, Six at the end killed zealots and ultras with his bare hands.
I think their equal.


First of all, what?
Second, Chief is still physically stronger than N6 by default.
Third, N6 didn't kill them with his bare hands. He may have knocked them away, but he did not punch them in the face and kill them.
Fourth, he survived for about thirty seconds fighting them off hand to hand. Then he died.


What to that as well.

You do know A: S3 augmentations yielded the same results.(Without any washouts during the augmentation process.)
B: Six, like Noble team and others pulled from the companies had the S2 required genes.
C: Master Chief was not the strongest Spartan.

[Edited on 04.18.2011 5:21 AM PDT]

  • 04.18.2011 5:20 AM PDT

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In fiction, I don't think Noble six would be better then most Spartan II's. But you always have to have a powerful character in a Halo game; Master Chief was the powerful character in Halo Ce-Halo 3, and Noble six is the powerful character in Halo Reach

  • 04.18.2011 6:12 AM PDT

Noble Six mostly fought against Human rebels, the Spartan IIs fought against the Covenant, a far more powerful enemy. Most of these Spartan IIs survived most of the war against the Covenant, whereas Noble Six died within 1-2 months of fighting the Covenant for the first time properly, since there is no proof that he had fought against the Covenant before.

Until someone gives me proof that Noble Six has been in atleast 5 major battles against the Covenant before Reach:

Noble Six < Most Spartan IIs

[Edited on 04.18.2011 6:31 AM PDT]

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ONI classified N6 as a hyper lethal vector based on his/her previous encounters with human rebels.

I have yet to see reports of N6 clashing with covenant forces before Reach.

Whereas the S-IIs has fought since Harvest employing the Mark IV Armor.

I would never claim that S-IIs are invincible ,but clearly S-IIs beat S-IIIs in both experience and skill against the covenant.

  • 04.18.2011 6:28 AM PDT
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he is beter than allot of Sii's but not all

  • 04.18.2011 6:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
According to Halsey, B312 is hyper-lethal. John is the only other Spartan to share that title.
Could it be possible that B312 is better than most S-IIs?

You answered your own question.

  • 04.18.2011 7:08 AM PDT


Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
Noble Six mostly fought against Human rebels, the Spartan IIs fought against the Covenant, a far more powerful enemy. Most of these Spartan IIs survived most of the war against the Covenant, whereas Noble Six died within 1-2 months of fighting the Covenant for the first time properly, since there is no proof that he had fought against the Covenant before.

Until someone gives me proof that Noble Six has been in atleast 5 major battles against the Covenant before Reach:

Noble Six < Most Spartan IIs


There isn't any proof that she hasn't really fought the Covenant in major battles before either. I mean really you can say whatever you want about Six as Bungie didn't create much of a background for him/her, that's our job. So you can say for your Six that he/she is inexperienced against the Covenant.

However, considering that the war would have been going on for quite a while, I don't think it likely that Reach was Six's first time fighting the Covenant.

Noble Six is on the same level as the core group of Spartans IIs we've all come to know and love over the last ten years.

  • 04.18.2011 8:04 AM PDT

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Six certainly has a more significant impact than a lot of S-IIs, but S-IIs have more experience and have been in service a lot longer.

So perhaps not better.... but definitely more important in retrospect.

  • 04.18.2011 8:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Six, by himself, made entire rebel groups vanish, he piloted a Sabre with multiple successful missions, and his combat effectiveness mached John-117's. Six easily outclasses a vast majority of S-IIs. Don't give me that S-II's are always better bull-blam!-.
lets say for arguments sake you have an even 1.00 k/d and i have the same, now lets say you played 10 thousand games and held that 1.00 kd, now lets say i played one game where i got 1 kill and no deaths, i would still have a 1.00 would i not? so master chief and 6 might look about the same on paper, but john had to do WAY more work to keep those stats up.

  • 04.18.2011 8:56 AM PDT
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The Elite john struggled with was a meter taller than him and had the rank of shipmaster , a 3m+ shipmaster elite > than dying to a couple of ultras.

  • 04.18.2011 9:42 AM PDT


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Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
Noble Six mostly fought against Human rebels, the Spartan IIs fought against the Covenant, a far more powerful enemy. Most of these Spartan IIs survived most of the war against the Covenant, whereas Noble Six died within 1-2 months of fighting the Covenant for the first time properly, since there is no proof that he had fought against the Covenant before.

Until someone gives me proof that Noble Six has been in atleast 5 major battles against the Covenant before Reach:

Noble Six < Most Spartan IIs


There isn't any proof that she hasn't really fought the Covenant in major battles before either. I mean really you can say whatever you want about Six as Bungie didn't create much of a background for him/her, that's our job. So you can say for your Six that he/she is inexperienced against the Covenant.

However, considering that the war would have been going on for quite a while, I don't think it likely that Reach was Six's first time fighting the Covenant.

Noble Six is on the same level as the core group of Spartans IIs we've all come to know and love over the last ten years.


Six had knowledge of how strong Zealot shields were. Implication of Experience against the Covenant.Posted by: hal0 slay3r661

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Six, by himself, made entire rebel groups vanish, he piloted a Sabre with multiple successful missions, and his combat effectiveness mached John-117's. Six easily outclasses a vast majority of S-IIs. Don't give me that S-II's are always better bull-blam!-.

lets say for arguments sake you have an even 1.00 k/d and i have the same, now lets say you played 10 thousand games and held that 1.00 kd, now lets say i played one game where i got 1 kill and no deaths, i would still have a 1.00 would i not? so master chief and 6 might look about the same on paper, but john had to do WAY more work to keep those stats up.


Besides the fact Master Chief is far from the best Spartan... lets expand your flawed comparison.

Lets say you have a 1.00 k/d, however you fight alone against entire teams of 8 and keep winning.
Now lets say I have a 1.00 K/D, however I rarely, IF EVER, fight alone. I'm always fighting with my team and as team leader I'm not killing that many people.

Now who is better? John was a team leader, he was never alone. Also, the Spartan IIs were NOT sent purely against the Covenant. They were sent on anti-rebel missions during the war as well. Not many, but still some.

Did you know in Ghosts of Onyx Master Chief walked straight into a rebel trap and was defeated? He only escaped because Kurt had held back. This was in a rebel base, probably not that different then the ones Six took out completely alone.

  • 04.18.2011 9:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: strugz94
The Elite john struggled with was a meter taller than him and had the rank of shipmaster , a 3m+ shipmaster elite > than dying to a couple of ultras.

John never killed that Elite though, and I'm pretty sure that wasn't a Shipkmaster but a Spec Op Elite. And come on, Six had to fight off Ultra's Zealots, and Field Marshalls by himself and managed to kill quite a few. John has difficulty fighting ONE Elite.

Every instance of John fighting an Elite himself, he has difficulty. John managed to narrowly beat an Elite at Reacg Gamma Station, only managed a victory against Zuka Zamamee with Cortana's aid, The duel against Thel Lodamee was in the Elite's favor, but was stopped by the Shipmaster, and as mentioned aboce, Chief did not kill the Spec Ops Elite on the Ascendent Justice.

Know the facts.

[Edited on 04.18.2011 9:59 AM PDT]

  • 04.18.2011 9:54 AM PDT


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Posted by: strugz94
The Elite john struggled with was a meter taller than him and had the rank of shipmaster , a 3m+ shipmaster elite > than dying to a couple of ultras.

John never killed that Elite though, and I'm pretty sure that wasn't a Shipkmaster but a Spec Op Elite. And come on, Six had to fight off Ultra's Zealots, and Field Marshalls by himself and managed to kill quite a few. John has difficulty fighting ONE Elite.

Every instance of John fighting an Elite himself, he has difficulty. John managed to narrowly beat an Elite at Reacg Gamma Station, only managed a victory against Zuka Zamamee with Cortana's aid, The duel against Thel Lodamee was in the Elite's favor, but was stopped by the Shipmaster, and as mentioned aboce, Chief did not kill the Spec Ops Elite on the Ascendent Justice.

Now the facts.


I'm going to be quite honest, I doubt half these guys have even read the novels, and just read halopedia if that.

Why? If they read the novels they would freaking know Master Chief wasn't this WTF unstoppable force of awesome they try painting him to be.

  • 04.18.2011 9:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: strugz94
The Elite john struggled with was a meter taller than him and had the rank of shipmaster , a 3m+ shipmaster elite > than dying to a couple of ultras.

John never killed that Elite though, and I'm pretty sure that wasn't a Shipkmaster but a Spec Op Elite. And come on, Six had to fight off Ultra's Zealots, and Field Marshalls by himself and managed to kill quite a few. John has difficulty fighting ONE Elite.

Every instance of John fighting an Elite himself, he has difficulty. John managed to narrowly beat an Elite at Reacg Gamma Station, only managed a victory against Zuka Zamamee with Cortana's aid, The duel against Thel Lodamee was in the Elite's favor, but was stopped by the Shipmaster, and as mentioned aboce, Chief did not kill the Spec Ops Elite on the Ascendent Justice.

Now the facts.


I'm going to be quite honest, I doubt half these guys have even read the novels, and just read halopedia if that.

Why? If they read the novels they would freaking know Master Chief wasn't this WTF unstoppable force of awesome they try painting him to be.

Chief's survival has thus far depended on his team and Cortana. Now, Chief is decent at working alone by himself, as shown by his record at Alpha Halo, but if you removed Cortana from the equation, Chief would've died.

  • 04.18.2011 9:58 AM PDT


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Black team dead? source? or lies.

Like Kindergarden, "in my opinion they are dead". See, I can be condesending as well.

I think you mean kindergarten unless you are referencing a certain garden of the kinder variety

  • 04.18.2011 10:05 AM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I'm going to be quite honest, I doubt half these guys have even read the novels, and just read halopedia if that.

Why? If they read the novels they would freaking know Master Chief wasn't this WTF unstoppable force of awesome they try painting him to be.

Chief's survival has thus far depended on his team and Cortana. Now, Chief is decent at working alone by himself, as shown by his record at Alpha Halo, but if you removed Cortana from the equation, Chief would've died.


He's decent, but far from great at it, cause you know, team leader.

Yeah, I used to think he was awesome until we saw other spartans, and bang suddenly he gets this -blam!-load of hero worship and is a god.

  • 04.18.2011 10:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I'm going to be quite honest, I doubt half these guys have even read the novels, and just read halopedia if that.

Why? If they read the novels they would freaking know Master Chief wasn't this WTF unstoppable force of awesome they try painting him to be.

Chief's survival has thus far depended on his team and Cortana. Now, Chief is decent at working alone by himself, as shown by his record at Alpha Halo, but if you removed Cortana from the equation, Chief would've died.


He's decent, but far from great at it, cause you know, team leader.

Yeah, I used to think he was awesome until we saw other spartans, and bang suddenly he gets this -blam!-load of hero worship and is a god.

Pisses me off too.

  • 04.18.2011 10:11 AM PDT


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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
Noble Six mostly fought against Human rebels, the Spartan IIs fought against the Covenant, a far more powerful enemy. Most of these Spartan IIs survived most of the war against the Covenant, whereas Noble Six died within 1-2 months of fighting the Covenant for the first time properly, since there is no proof that he had fought against the Covenant before.

Until someone gives me proof that Noble Six has been in atleast 5 major battles against the Covenant before Reach:

Noble Six < Most Spartan IIs


There isn't any proof that she hasn't really fought the Covenant in major battles before either. I mean really you can say whatever you want about Six as Bungie didn't create much of a background for him/her, that's our job. So you can say for your Six that he/she is inexperienced against the Covenant.

However, considering that the war would have been going on for quite a while, I don't think it likely that Reach was Six's first time fighting the Covenant.

Noble Six is on the same level as the core group of Spartans IIs we've all come to know and love over the last ten years.


Six had knowledge of how strong Zealot shields were. Implication of Experience against the Covenant.


Good arguments, but from what we know about six, all he was doing before Reach was testing out Sabres and killing rebels, which his hyper lethal vector is based on apparantly (not covenant kills).

He also could have just read files on what zealot shield strength was, however we can never know for sure. And also, it's to my understanding that Spartan IIs don't rely on armor abilities.

  • 04.18.2011 10:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
Noble Six mostly fought against Human rebels, the Spartan IIs fought against the Covenant, a far more powerful enemy. Most of these Spartan IIs survived most of the war against the Covenant, whereas Noble Six died within 1-2 months of fighting the Covenant for the first time properly, since there is no proof that he had fought against the Covenant before.

Until someone gives me proof that Noble Six has been in atleast 5 major battles against the Covenant before Reach:

Noble Six < Most Spartan IIs


There isn't any proof that she hasn't really fought the Covenant in major battles before either. I mean really you can say whatever you want about Six as Bungie didn't create much of a background for him/her, that's our job. So you can say for your Six that he/she is inexperienced against the Covenant.

However, considering that the war would have been going on for quite a while, I don't think it likely that Reach was Six's first time fighting the Covenant.

Noble Six is on the same level as the core group of Spartans IIs we've all come to know and love over the last ten years.


Six had knowledge of how strong Zealot shields were. Implication of Experience against the Covenant.


Good arguments, but from what we know about six, all he was doing before Reach was testing out Sabres and killing rebels, which his hyper lethal vector is based on apparantly (not covenant kills).

He also could have just read files on what zealot shield strength was, however we can never know for sure. And also, it's to my understanding that Spartan IIs don't rely on armor abilities.

The canonity of Armor Abilites is in question. And even so, most of the S-IIs are dead, so Armor Abilities probably would've helped them a lot.

  • 04.18.2011 10:21 AM PDT
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Eh, Spartan-II's rely on more advanced technology and expensive equipments while Spartan-III's rely on teamwork and their superior battle tactics.

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I'm going to be quite honest, I doubt half these guys have even read the novels, and just read halopedia if that.

Why? If they read the novels they would freaking know Master Chief wasn't this WTF unstoppable force of awesome they try painting him to be.

Chief's survival has thus far depended on his team and Cortana. Now, Chief is decent at working alone by himself, as shown by his record at Alpha Halo, but if you removed Cortana from the equation, Chief would've died.


He's decent, but far from great at it, cause you know, team leader.

Yeah, I used to think he was awesome until we saw other spartans, and bang suddenly he gets this -blam!-load of hero worship and is a god.

You have no idea how many times I wanted punch my computer because of that crap. Every single debate, skill comparison, or versus thread with the chief always has at least ten people screaming "Chief destroyed the entire covenant armada single handed. He killed all the flood by himself. He's lucky." And so on and on and on.........

  • 04.18.2011 10:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I'm going to be quite honest, I doubt half these guys have even read the novels, and just read halopedia if that.

Why? If they read the novels they would freaking know Master Chief wasn't this WTF unstoppable force of awesome they try painting him to be.

Chief's survival has thus far depended on his team and Cortana. Now, Chief is decent at working alone by himself, as shown by his record at Alpha Halo, but if you removed Cortana from the equation, Chief would've died.


He's decent, but far from great at it, cause you know, team leader.

Yeah, I used to think he was awesome until we saw other spartans, and bang suddenly he gets this -blam!-load of hero worship and is a god.

You have no idea how many times I wanted punch my computer because of that crap. Every single debate, skill comparison, or versus thread with the chief always has at least ten people screaming "Chief destroyed the entire covenant armada single handed. He killed all the flood by himself. He's lucky." And so on and on and on.........

Yeah, Chief did all those things himself, just discount the additional contributions of Cortana, his fellow Spartans, and the aid of the UNSC.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I'm going to be quite honest, I doubt half these guys have even read the novels, and just read halopedia if that.

Why? If they read the novels they would freaking know Master Chief wasn't this WTF unstoppable force of awesome they try painting him to be.

Chief's survival has thus far depended on his team and Cortana. Now, Chief is decent at working alone by himself, as shown by his record at Alpha Halo, but if you removed Cortana from the equation, Chief would've died.


He's decent, but far from great at it, cause you know, team leader.

Yeah, I used to think he was awesome until we saw other spartans, and bang suddenly he gets this -blam!-load of hero worship and is a god.

You have no idea how many times I wanted punch my computer because of that crap. Every single debate, skill comparison, or versus thread with the chief always has at least ten people screaming "Chief destroyed the entire covenant armada single handed. He killed all the flood by himself. He's lucky." And so on and on and on.........

Yeah, Chief did all those things himself, just discount the additional contributions of Cortana, his fellow Spartans, and the aid of the UNSC.

Its not the fact that he did it that bugs me but how people bring it up in debates.

They say he destroyed armadas like he jump on each ship and ripped them apart with his bare hands or ran around with a shotgun and killed every single flood. And don't get me started with the luck thing. Like bullets and plasma fired at him would magically curve around him.

  • 04.18.2011 10:34 AM PDT


Posted by: Nameless Oracle
Its not the fact that he did it that bugs me but how people bring it up in debates.

They say he destroyed armadas like he jump on each ship and ripped them apart with his bare hands or ran around with a shotgun and killed every single flood. And don't get me started with the luck thing. Like bullets and plasma fired at him would magically curve around him.


Yeah, they act like he did it without any help, and with no problems.

In reality? That covenant fleet was destroyed because halo blew up. The Covenant? Defeated by Thel, not master Chief.

Flood? Defeated by the push of a button, likewise, he stopped the halos from firing by a push of the button. (Which is funny as all hell as people Bash the Reach campaign for pushing buttons.

  • 04.18.2011 10:39 AM PDT