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Subject: Noble 6, better than most S-IIs?

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Posted by: Nameless Oracle
Yeah, Chief did all those things himself, just discount the additional contributions of Cortana, his fellow Spartans, and the aid of the UNSC.[/quote]
Its not the fact that he did it that bugs me but how people bring it up in debates.

They say he destroyed armadas like he jump on each ship and ripped them apart with his bare hands or ran around with a shotgun and killed every single flood. And don't get me started with the luck thing. Like bullets and plasma fired at him would magically curve around him.


"Here's the little gismo, there's no such thing as miracles or the supernatural, only cutting edge technology!"

But yeah, Chief is not that good compared to the rest of the Spartans and to the ones saying Six didn't have experience against the Covenant, guess what? Spartan III's were trained to FIGHT against the Covenant while Spartan II's were trained to fight Rebels originally.

  • 04.18.2011 11:23 AM PDT


Posted by: manwith
Eh, Spartan-II's rely on more advanced technology and expensive equipments while Spartan-III's rely on teamwork and their superior battle tactics.


Spartan IIIs have armor abilities. Or atleast Noble Team has.

  • 04.18.2011 11:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: MasterSin
Spartans II lived longer than the whole Noble Team. Noble Six died young, most of the Spartans II died older than any Spartan III. Meaning?! that they survived more battles.


Meaning that Spartan II´s werent sent on suicide missions and werent used as disposable heroes like the SIII´s were.
Let the Spartan III´s go into the same missions the Spartan II´s had done, and I´m positive they would have lasted as long as the SII´s or even longer.

I doubt even Spartan II´s at the age Sparta III´s undertook those missions, in which they died, would have survived. Spartan III´s are just or even more talented than S II´s.

  • 04.18.2011 11:31 AM PDT


Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz

Posted by: manwith
Eh, Spartan-II's rely on more advanced technology and expensive equipments while Spartan-III's rely on teamwork and their superior battle tactics.


Spartan IIIs have armor abilities. Or atleast Noble Team has.


So? Noble Team had experimental gear. Does that make them worse?

Sheesh, the amount of blind "Spartan IIIs are worse in every single way to a Spartan II and absolutely suck!" I've seen on the forums is crazy...

  • 04.18.2011 11:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz

Posted by: manwith
Eh, Spartan-II's rely on more advanced technology and expensive equipments while Spartan-III's rely on teamwork and their superior battle tactics.


Spartan IIIs have armor abilities. Or atleast Noble Team has.


You're basing your argument on Armor Abilities? seriously?

  • 04.18.2011 11:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


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6 could probably strangle some IIs with his/her bare hands.

  • 04.18.2011 11:40 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz

Posted by: manwith
Eh, Spartan-II's rely on more advanced technology and expensive equipments while Spartan-III's rely on teamwork and their superior battle tactics.


Spartan IIIs have armor abilities. Or atleast Noble Team has.


So? Noble Team had experimental gear. Does that make them worse?

Sheesh, the amount of blind "Spartan IIIs are worse in every single way to a Spartan II and absolutely suck!" I've seen on the forums is crazy...


I wasn't saying that, I was saying that some Spartan IIIs had technology that the Spartan IIs didn't. And I never said that that made them worse. I have actually come to the conclusion that in general IIs and IIIs are about the same. I probably should have made that more clear, but you shouldn't jump to conclusions like that.

  • 04.18.2011 11:40 AM PDT


Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz

Posted by: manwith
Eh, Spartan-II's rely on more advanced technology and expensive equipments while Spartan-III's rely on teamwork and their superior battle tactics.


Spartan IIIs have armor abilities. Or atleast Noble Team has.


So? Noble Team had experimental gear. Does that make them worse?

Sheesh, the amount of blind "Spartan IIIs are worse in every single way to a Spartan II and absolutely suck!" I've seen on the forums is crazy...


I wasn't saying that, I was saying that some Spartan IIIs had technology that the Spartan IIs didn't. And I never said that that made them worse. I have actually come to the conclusion that in general IIs and IIIs are about the same. I probably should have made that more clear, but you shouldn't jump to conclusions like that.


Sorry, just seen enough hate that it came to my mind like that.

But yeah, everything points that Twos and Threes are the same if fielded in MJOLNIR.

  • 04.18.2011 11:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Sorry, just seen enough hate that it came to my mind like that.

But yeah, everything points that Twos and Threes are the same if fielded in MJOLNIR.


I agree completly. Read my post a little bit above.

Give Spartan III´s the same resources and missions the Spartan II´s had they would have performed equally or even better. But Spartan III´s were sent on suicide missions as disposable heroes. I doubt even SII´s could have survived those missions.

  • 04.18.2011 11:59 AM PDT
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  • 04.18.2011 12:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Sorry, just seen enough hate that it came to my mind like that.

But yeah, everything points that Twos and Threes are the same if fielded in MJOLNIR.


I agree completly. Read my post a little bit above.

Give Spartan III´s the same resources and missions the Spartan II´s had they would have performed equally or even better. But Spartan III´s were sent on suicide missions as disposable heroes. I doubt even SII´s could have survived those missions.


The closest thing they got to a suicide mission was the fall of Reach and even then they failed, even with Energy Shielding.

  • 04.18.2011 12:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Sorry, just seen enough hate that it came to my mind like that.

But yeah, everything points that Twos and Threes are the same if fielded in MJOLNIR.


I agree completly. Read my post a little bit above.

Give Spartan III´s the same resources and missions the Spartan II´s had they would have performed equally or even better. But Spartan III´s were sent on suicide missions as disposable heroes. I doubt even SII´s could have survived those missions.


The closest thing they got to a suicide mission was the fall of Reach and even then they failed, even with Energy Shielding.


Red Teams op on Reach WAS a suicide mission. They had to repel an overwhelming invasion force while holding a position that is practically impossible to hold. Add to that Covenant Capital ships, which means reinforcements and additional firepower. That mission was impossible to complete succesfully. Not even three full companies of Spartan III´s could have gotten the job done. It was just too much.

  • 04.18.2011 12:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: MasterSin
He cannot match Spartan117 just by the fact, that MC has fought longer time and killed more than any other Spartan, Six was the closest, that doesn't mean he was stronger than Sam, or faster than Kelly, or skillful like Linda. Will killed one hunter with bare hands, no other Spartan ever had done that before, Fred, Kelly and Joshua blowed up a Covenant Carrier and 10k troops on Reach with a Nuke.

The chief destroyed 1 Halo, Covenant and flood together and the flood completly with the remnants of the Covenant in the ark.

I think Spartans II are way better than Spartans III.

Not to mention they also destroyed the unyielding hierophant, a massive space station much like the unsc's cradle. Except the unyielding hierophant had over 300 nearby ships.
Anyway they boarded it and destroyed its engines.

  • 04.18.2011 12:29 PM PDT

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Noble 6 is the best Spartan in my opinion.

  • 04.18.2011 12:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: MasterSin
He cannot match Spartan117 just by the fact, that MC has fought longer time and killed more than any other Spartan, Six was the closest, that doesn't mean he was stronger than Sam, or faster than Kelly, or skillful like Linda. Will killed one hunter with bare hands, no other Spartan ever had done that before, Fred, Kelly and Joshua blowed up a Covenant Carrier and 10k troops on Reach with a Nuke.

The chief destroyed 1 Halo, Covenant and flood together and the flood completly with the remnants of the Covenant in the ark.

I think Spartans II are way better than Spartans III.

Not to mention they also destroyed the unyielding hierophant, a massive space station much like the unsc's cradle. Except the unyielding hierophant had over 300 nearby ships.
Anyway they boarded it and destroyed its engines.


Cortana did most of the work to be honest, she was the one that overloaded the Unyielding Hierophant's reactors, also she was the one that kept interfering with the Covenant transmissions, sending them to other places in search of the Spartans.

  • 04.18.2011 12:46 PM PDT

Noble six is an excellent SIII and could be better than some of the SII's but remember most of the SII's have been in constant service for more than 20 years and if more of the SII class survived there might not be a need for SIII's. It's hard to compare one Spartan to another but if there was no equiptment then any spartan II would win as they were driiled to Mendez to never rely on tech it can be fooled or broken were as skill and tactics cannot but the SIII's were taught to rely on tech for survival as most had SPI armour. Also N6 is a jack of all trades which means like MC he doesn't excell in one area so if comapared to a specialist such as Linda or will he would be worse.

But one final point John said that linda was the strongest of the Spartans as she could work alone and unsupported much like N6 can as he too was a lone wolf.

  • 04.18.2011 1:16 PM PDT


Posted by: Mr Owen L
Noble six is an excellent SIII and could be better than some of the SII's but remember most of the SII's have been in constant service for more than 20 years and if more of the SII class survived there might not be a need for SIII's. It's hard to compare one Spartan to another but if there was no equiptment then any spartan II would win as they were driiled to Mendez to never rely on tech it can be fooled or broken were as skill and tactics cannot but the SIII's were taught to rely on tech for survival as most had SPI armour. Also N6 is a jack of all trades which means like MC he doesn't excell in one area so if comapared to a specialist such as Linda or will he would be worse.

But one final point John said that linda was the strongest of the Spartans as she could work alone and unsupported much like N6 can as he too was a lone wolf.


Actually, you have it completely backwards. The Spartan IIIs were trained to use better battle tactics and superiour teamwork due to the fact they did not have the advanced tech the Spartan IIs did.

Note, Spartan IIIs were trained by Kurt (a II), and Mendez. I've read three separate quotes which state Spartan III training was better. Their training focused more on combat and tactical things as opposed to the Spartan II training which featured a lot of academics (Theory, my end.)

  • 04.18.2011 1:23 PM PDT
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difference is, six died an easily avoidable death. If he got to the pelican after destroying the cruiser, lots of things woulda changed in the halo universe.

  • 04.18.2011 1:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Sparty Boy 117
difference is, six died an easily avoidable death. If he got to the pelican after destroying the cruiser, lots of things woulda changed in the halo universe.


Yes, people wouldn't be able to avoid the fact that Chief wasn't the biggest badass ever.

Anyway, for him to reach a pelican would mean they would have to either launch another one or get lucky and have one flying to the PoA for evac.

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I think Kelly would trump him.

  • 04.18.2011 2:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
What to that as well.

You do know A: S3 augmentations yielded the same results.(Without any washouts during the augmentation process.)
B: Six, like Noble team and others pulled from the companies had the S2 required genes.
C: Master Chief was not the strongest Spartan.


MC doesn't need to be the strongest SII because Noble Six isn't the strongest SIII. Chief would be stronger than N6 even outside of his Mjolnir armour. They received similar augmentation, but compare size.

Chief stands at 6'10" outside his armour. From watching cut-scenes in Reach, you can tell Noble Six is not that tall. Chief is also just as bulky as N6, if not more, even standing at a taller height. This means he has more muscle mass than 6. Chief is physically stronger.

  • 04.18.2011 4:22 PM PDT


Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
What to that as well.

You do know A: S3 augmentations yielded the same results.(Without any washouts during the augmentation process.)
B: Six, like Noble team and others pulled from the companies had the S2 required genes.
C: Master Chief was not the strongest Spartan.


MC doesn't need to be the strongest SII because Noble Six isn't the strongest SIII. Chief would be stronger than N6 even outside of his Mjolnir armour. They received similar augmentation, but compare size.

Chief stands at 6'10" outside his armour. From watching cut-scenes in Reach, you can tell Noble Six is not that tall. Chief is also just as bulky as N6, if not more, even standing at a taller height. This means he has more muscle mass than 6. Chief is physically stronger.


How can you even tell Six is shorter then Chief?

Comparing them to Jorge? Jorge is MASSIVE, even for a Spartan II.

Height does not = stronger. There is NOTHING saying Chief would be stronger.

There is the fun fact that Six, with one hand, held back a Zealot's fist with the wristblade extended which would have stabbed his face in. That's kinda a good point at a strength seeing as Zealots are going to be the strongest and smartest Elites.

[Edited on 04.18.2011 4:35 PM PDT]

  • 04.18.2011 4:31 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
How can you even tell Six is shorter then Chief?

Comparing them to Jorge? Jorge is MASSIVE, even for a Spartan II.

Like I said, compare with his surroundings. The Warthog he steps out of, the tables he stands beside, enemies, the scenery. No way is he 6'10".

Height does not = stronger. There is NOTHING saying Chief would be stronger.
It's not because he's taller, it's because he's taller with the same relative muscle mass for his frame. Chief is taller, but just as bulky if not more so than 6. That bulk certainly isn't fat, it's muscle.

There is the fun fact that Six, with one hand, held back a Zealot's fist with the wristblade extended which would have stabbed his face in. That's kinda a good point at a strength seeing as Zealots are going to be the strongest and smartest Elites.

It sure is fun. Six could do that, just like most Spartans if not all would have been able to do with their Mjolnir suits. It doesn't make him special or extraordinary.

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
It's not because he's taller, it's because he's taller with the same relative muscle mass for his frame. Chief is taller, but just as bulky if not more so than 6. That bulk certainly isn't fat, it's muscle.


He looks pretty slim in Halo 3.

Even if both wearing Mark V I don't really see a difference.

[Edited on 04.18.2011 5:35 PM PDT]

  • 04.18.2011 5:23 PM PDT

all I would say is read the books and you won't have to ask this question, SPARTAN-II > SPARTAN-III, any-time, anywhere by a decent margin. considering SPARTAN-III are basically suicide troopers sent on ultra high risk missions with minimal chances of survival, they DON'T use MJOLNIR armour, that is an enormous giant epic Blam! on Bungie part. that sort of thing is Blam!-ing stupid when you are taught one thing (SPARTAN-III are suicide operatives basically) then someone comes along (Bungie) and totally Blam! everything up by suddenly making SPARTAN-III the best thing since sliced bread! for me, regardless of what the forum says or what anyone else says, Books > Games for canon, they are better thought out in all regards and Bungie are hugely stupid for undermining what a great universe the books have helped to establish!

  • 04.18.2011 5:27 PM PDT