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Subject: Noble 6, better than most S-IIs?


Posted by: manwith
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It's not because he's taller, it's because he's taller with the same relative muscle mass for his frame. Chief is taller, but just as bulky if not more so than 6. That bulk certainly isn't fat, it's muscle.


He looks pretty slim in Halo 3.


Oh, I just found some proof of Six and Master Chief having similar height.

Kat is 6'9".

Six and Kat are very similar in height (Six might be slightly taller).

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

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difference is, six died an easily avoidable death. If he got to the pelican after destroying the cruiser, lots of things woulda changed in the halo universe.


Yes, people wouldn't be able to avoid the fact that Chief wasn't the biggest badass ever.

Anyway, for him to reach a pelican would mean they would have to either launch another one or get lucky and have one flying to the PoA for evac.

actually, keyes' pelican didn't get to the POA till the cruiser collapsed, so it really wasn't that hard for the pelican pilot to quickly fly back (a very small distance) and then into the poa's hangar. But either way, it still killed canon.

  • 04.18.2011 5:52 PM PDT

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Six is as tall as Master Chief, Jun is the same height as John and in Nightfall you can easily compare their heights. Here's a screenshot.

Not much of a difference to me.

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S-III were made to be expendable. S-II were made to be tanks.

S-III<S-II

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  • 04.18.2011 9:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: xCoNs
S-III were made to be expendable. S-II were made to be tanks.

S-III<S-II

Give S-IIIs MJOLNIR and bettwer equipment and that statement would be shattered in a heartbeat.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: xCoNs
S-III were made to be expendable. S-II were made to be tanks.

S-III<S-II

Give S-IIIs MJOLNIR and bettwer equipment and that statement would be shattered in a heartbeat.
You mean S-III's pathetic SPI armor, and S-II's advanced MJOLNIR...then that statement would be shattered in a heartbeat. Noble were the few S-III's with MJOLINIR armor, and they were easily killed.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: xCoNs
S-III were made to be expendable. S-II were made to be tanks.

S-III<S-II

Give S-IIIs MJOLNIR and bettwer equipment and that statement would be shattered in a heartbeat.


No need to do that, they can get the job done without MJOLNIR, I wish I could say the same about the Spartan II's

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John and his team team took out an entire Covenant ship without MJOLNIR, and they were only 12 at the time.

  • 04.18.2011 10:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: xCoNs
John and his team team took out an entire Covenant ship without MJOLNIR, and they were only 12 at the time.


Source and so? Alpha Company destroyed a Covenant Ship Factory, holding the enemy for seven days and killing thousands of troops, oh and without MJOLNIR.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: xCoNs
John and his team team took out an entire Covenant ship without MJOLNIR, and they were only 12 at the time.


Source and so? Alpha Company destroyed a Covenant Ship Factory, holding the enemy for seven days and killing thousands of troops, oh and without MJOLNIR.
Only 3 survived! Out of hundreds! If Spartans never die, then S-III aren't spartans. And if you ever read Fall of Reach...you'd know what I'm talking about.

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  • 04.18.2011 10:12 PM PDT


Posted by: xCoNs

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Posted by: xCoNs
John and his team team took out an entire Covenant ship without MJOLNIR, and they were only 12 at the time.


Source and so? Alpha Company destroyed a Covenant Ship Factory, holding the enemy for seven days and killing thousands of troops, oh and without MJOLNIR.
Only 3 survived! Out of hundreds! If Spartans never die, then S-III aren't spartans. And if you ever read Fall of Reach...you'd know what I'm talking about.


And if you ever read the Fall of Reach, then you'd know what you just said was completely false. That was a lie by ONI to the public.

  • 04.18.2011 10:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: xCoNs

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Posted by: xCoNs
John and his team team took out an entire Covenant ship without MJOLNIR, and they were only 12 at the time.


Source and so? Alpha Company destroyed a Covenant Ship Factory, holding the enemy for seven days and killing thousands of troops, oh and without MJOLNIR.
Only 3 survived! Out of hundreds! If Spartans never die, then S-III aren't spartans. And if you ever read Fall of Reach...you'd know what I'm talking about.


So, about every single Spartan II is in reality not a Spartan right? Cause they also died, I see your point.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: xCoNs

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Posted by: xCoNs
John and his team team took out an entire Covenant ship without MJOLNIR, and they were only 12 at the time.


Source and so? Alpha Company destroyed a Covenant Ship Factory, holding the enemy for seven days and killing thousands of troops, oh and without MJOLNIR.
Only 3 survived! Out of hundreds! If Spartans never die, then S-III aren't spartans. And if you ever read Fall of Reach...you'd know what I'm talking about.


So, about every single Spartan II is in reality not a Spartan right? Cause they also died, I see your point.
John and the SPARTAN-IIs took part in their first battle with the Covenant. The Spartans used thrusters to launch from a Pelican dropship. Each Spartan carried an ANVIL-II Air-to-Surface Missile to destroy the Covenant ship. Only two other Spartans made it to the ship with John: Samuel-034 and Kelly-087. They entered the ship through a hole in its hull, caused by a MAC round from the Commonwealth. They succeeded in completing the mission and destroyed the Covenant ship, but due to a breach in Sam's armor, caused by retaliation fire from Covenant forces, he was unable to leave the Covenant ship. Volunteering to stay behind and ensure the destruction of the enemy vessel, Sam was killed in the ensuing explosion. Thats an excerpt from the Halo Wiki, Halo Nation. John, Sam, and Kelly were only 14, and they blow up a Covie Vessel!

  • 04.18.2011 10:17 PM PDT

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Impressive, too bad Sam died. But oh well, I guess one ship is more impressive than an entire ship factory, taken down by 12 year olds.

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Posted by: MasterSin
He cannot match Spartan117 just by the fact, that MC has fought longer time and killed more than any other Spartan, Six was the closest, that doesn't mean he was stronger than Sam, or faster than Kelly, or skillful like Linda. Will killed one hunter with bare hands, no other Spartan ever had done that before, Fred, Kelly and Joshua blowed up a Covenant Carrier and 10k troops on Reach with a Nuke.

The chief destroyed 1 Halo, Covenant and flood together and the flood completly with the remnants of the Covenant in the ark.

I think Spartans II are way better than Spartans III.

Not to mention they also destroyed the unyielding hierophant, a massive space station much like the unsc's cradle. Except the unyielding hierophant had over 300 nearby ships.
Anyway they boarded it and destroyed its engines.


Cortana did most of the work to be honest, she was the one that overloaded the Unyielding Hierophant's reactors, also she was the one that kept interfering with the Covenant transmissions, sending them to other places in search of the Spartans.


Ofcourse, and Cortana was there because of whom? the Spartans II (not to mention was an already a copy with some overload stuff in her). Wait how many Spartans II died surrounded by the whole Covenant armada that destroyed Reach? around 300 or more warships? 1 right? How many Spartans III died in a less dangerous mission? 298 Spartans death by 2 Covenant cruisers?

So let me get this, not only 1 Spartan II died in the Unyielding Hierophant's mission, but they succeded by destroying almost those 300+ Covenant warships probably the whole fleet that glassed Reach.

Spartans III killed by how many? 2 or 3 Covenant warships only to destroy some factorys, oh yeah 298 Spartans III KIA? no wait they weren't KIA, they were vaporized.

Yeah, Spartans III are way better than Spartans II. (get the sarcasm?)

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Impressive, too bad Sam died. But oh well, I guess one ship is more impressive than an entire ship factory, taken down by 12 year olds.
Were most of them died...240 something of them. Its even stated in the books that the S-III were expendable. S-II were made to -blam!- kill anything that crossed there path, and they do.

  • 04.18.2011 10:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: MasterSin
He cannot match Spartan117 just by the fact, that MC has fought longer time and killed more than any other Spartan, Six was the closest, that doesn't mean he was stronger than Sam, or faster than Kelly, or skillful like Linda. Will killed one hunter with bare hands, no other Spartan ever had done that before, Fred, Kelly and Joshua blowed up a Covenant Carrier and 10k troops on Reach with a Nuke.

The chief destroyed 1 Halo, Covenant and flood together and the flood completly with the remnants of the Covenant in the ark.

I think Spartans II are way better than Spartans III.

Not to mention they also destroyed the unyielding hierophant, a massive space station much like the unsc's cradle. Except the unyielding hierophant had over 300 nearby ships.
Anyway they boarded it and destroyed its engines.


Cortana did most of the work to be honest, she was the one that overloaded the Unyielding Hierophant's reactors, also she was the one that kept interfering with the Covenant transmissions, sending them to other places in search of the Spartans.


Ofcourse, and Cortana was there because of whom? the Spartans II (not to mention was an already a copy with some overload stuff in her). Wait how many Spartans II died surrounded by the whole Covenant armada that destroyed Reach? around 300 or more warships? 1 right? How many Spartans III died in a less dangerous mission? 298 Spartans death by 2 Covenant cruisers?

So let me get this, not only 1 Spartan II died in the Unyielding Hierophant's mission, but they succeded by destroying almost those 300+ Covenant warships probably the whole fleet that glassed Reach.

Spartans III killed by how many? 2 or 3 Covenant warships only to destroy some factorys, oh yeah 298 Spartans III KIA? no wait they weren't KIA, they were vaporized.

Yeah, Spartans III are way better than Spartans II. (get the sarcasm?)



I don't know where you're getting the two or three warships, there were far more from that.

At 0700, 300 SPARTAN-IIIs from Alpha Company landed. Initial resistance to the SPARTANs was light, and after two days, seven reactors had been deactivated before the Covenant organized a proper counterforce. However, the force was neutralized and over the next three days, Alpha Company destroyed 13 more reactors.

However, the Covenant soon arranged a massive counterforce, with the SPARTANs trading fire with Elites and Banshees. On the seventh day, more Covenant reinforcements arrived. The SPARTANs lost their unit cohesion in the battle, while the Elites took up superior positions with good cover. By then, 89% of the planet had cooled, enough for the Covenant shipyard to be shut down. The SPARTANs, however, were cut off from their Calypso exfiltration craft, preventing them from escaping.


And don't forget about Beta.

At 1135, the 300 SPARTAN-IIIs of Beta Company landed on the planet, Pegasi Delta, via Long Range Stealth Orbital Insertion Pods. Nine SPARTANs did not survive, they were either killed on impact or by Covenant forces. At first, initial resistance was light, as the Covenant had not yet realized how big the force was. Soon, however, Covenant Seraphs began their strafing runs, prompting the hiding SPARTANs to abandon their stealth and rush to the factory for safety. As more Seraphs appeared, a few SPARTANs attempted to hold them back with missile launchers, and succeeded in destroying two, forcing the remaining Seraphs to cancel their runs.

The Seraphs, instead, began bombing the SPARTANs, killing dozens of them. Thousands of Jackals and Elites joined the assault. In response, the surviving SPARTANs charged, their speed and reflexes helping them kill hundreds of Covenant soldiers until "the field ran with rivers of gore and blue blood".[1]

Suddenly, seven Covenant Cruisers landed, and with them, were thousands of Elites. Half of the remaining Beta Company turned to face the new threat in an attempt to buy time for their fellow soldiers. Team Foxtrot rushed to the factory, their only solution. Adam-B004 was mortally wounded, but stayed back to hold off the Covenant forces so his team could rush ahead. When the remaining members arrived, they immediately began to set explosive charges on the core. Min-B174 was setting his timer when the EM field triggered his charge, vaporizing him.

The last two of Team Foxtrot, Tom-B292 and Lucy-B091, then jumped off a cliff and into the ocean to escape from the explosion of the core. The two nearly drowned, but managed to swim ashore, where they found that everything else had been vaporized, including the cruisers. Eventually, they made it to the Black Cat prowler, and were extracted from the planet.


Yes, they may have died, but they died against impossible odds, not killed by a single Brute (Grace), A Jackal (Sam), or a Hunter Pair(Will) but by thousands of them, so sorry if I respect the ones that stood up to thousands of enemy troopers all the while being 12.

  • 04.18.2011 10:31 PM PDT

Yeah, I'd have to say Spartan IIIs in their suicide missions were slightly more badass then Spartan IIs.

I mean, alpha company they lasted 7 days of combat in enemy territory until Covenant brought in a MASSIVE force.

Beta company was kicking the Covenant's asses so hard they had to bring in warships to end the battle (that is when Beta broke up, and only then.)

For a bunch of rather young soldiers in SPI, not MJOLNIR, I'd say yeah they could be better then Spartan IIs.

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Yes, they may have died, but they died against impossible odds, not killed by a single Brute (Grace), A Jackal (Sam), or a Hunter Pair(Will) but by thousands of them, so sorry if I respect the ones that stood up to thousands of enemy troopers all the while being 12.[/quote]

So in total more than 600 probably 900 Spartans III have died and from 34 Spartans II are still alive how many? around 10 or a little more? Since you're good in math, tell me how many years have been active Spartans III and how many died? What I DO know is 34 Spartans II have been fighting since the Harvest campaigns since the 2526 or 2530, and how many were alive by the 2552? 30 Spartans II right? or around it right?

Yeah it looks by the numbers that Spartans III sucks a lot!

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And like its not the same for S-III

Kat, headshot

Emile, stabbed in the back

Katana Team, a sentinel...just one

And Sam was instantly killed, he sacrificed himself for the good of the team
Will, swarmed by hundreds of covenant and direct impacted by a Hunter pair. A direct impact would rip 5 S-III apart!

  • 04.18.2011 10:41 PM PDT

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Not to mention that Spartans II didn't have energy shields until the Battle of Reach, pretty much the same time for Noble team.

Spartans II didn't even have the same techonology of the SPI armor either.


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  • 04.18.2011 10:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: xCoNs
And like its not the same for S-III

Kat, headshot

Emile, stabbed in the back

Katana Team, a sentinel...just one

And Sam was instantly killed, he sacrificed himself for the good of the team
Will, swarmed by hundreds of covenant and direct impacted by a Hunter pair. A direct impact would rip 5 S-III apart!


Holly sacrificed herself to save Kelly by jumping in front of the fuel rods of a pair of Hunters.

Onyx Sentinels are the strongest Sentinels around, go look it up, and they didn't kill Team Katana, they left them in cryo-pods.

Carter again sacrificed himself for the team, although I do admit Noble Team sucks.

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But SPI is less armored and easily seen, ever with its "cloak"

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yeah, I'd have to say Spartan IIIs in their suicide missions were slightly more badass then Spartan IIs.

I mean, alpha company they lasted 7 days of combat in enemy territory until Covenant brought in a MASSIVE force.

Beta company was kicking the Covenant's asses so hard they had to bring in warships to end the battle (that is when Beta broke up, and only then.)

For a bunch of rather young soldiers in SPI, not MJOLNIR, I'd say yeah they could be better then Spartan IIs.


Ok so Noble Team were Spartans III with a Hyper Lethal Spartan III that vanished Rebels groups (not high tech advanced military Covenant) with MJOLNIR armor, only one survived the Battle of Reach (Jun)

The battle of the Unyielding Hierophant, were pretty much the same quantity of Spartans with same MJOLNIR armor, only one Spartan II died, (which they lived longer and fought longer than any other Spartan III) with help of a copy of a malfunctioning Cortana and managed to destroy the place and destroyed 300 Covenant warships.(probably the same fleet that glassed Reach)

Still I think Spartans II are way better to me.

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  • 04.18.2011 10:55 PM PDT


Posted by: MasterSin


Yes, they may have died, but they died against impossible odds, not killed by a single Brute (Grace), A Jackal (Sam), or a Hunter Pair(Will) but by thousands of them, so sorry if I respect the ones that stood up to thousands of enemy troopers all the while being 12.[/quote]

So in total more than 600 probably 900 Spartans III have died and from 34 Spartans II are still alive how many? around 10 or a little more? Since you're good in math, tell me how many years have been active Spartans III and how many died? What I DO know is 34 Spartans II have been fighting since the Harvest campaigns since the 2526 or 2530, and how many were alive by the 2552? 30 Spartans II right? or around it right?

Yeah it looks by the numbers that Spartans III sucks a lot!


Numbers? Don't count the 300 of Gamma company, we don't know where they went.

Also, let's compare the missions they were sent on.

Spartan IIs. MJOLNIR Mark IV, sent on missions that are rather low key compared to what the Spartan IIIs were sent on during the suicide missions.

Spartan IIIs. SPI, sent on missions that ONI and high command wouldn't DARE send a Spartan II on due to how dangerous it was. Guess what? They ALWAYS completed the objective.

Duh a smaller group sent on less dangerous missions with better gear would have fewer losses then a larger group sent on EXTREMELY dangerous missions with worse gear.

  • 04.18.2011 10:58 PM PDT