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Subject: Noble 6, better than most S-IIs?

I could of swore spartan II agumentations were better than the spartan III's. If someone can bring up legit evidence that they are equal than I will believe it.

  • 04.19.2011 11:28 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N
I could of swore spartan II agumentations were better than the spartan III's. If someone can bring up legit evidence that they are equal than I will believe it.


Halo: Ghosts of Onyx by Eric Nylund is your evidence.

  • 04.19.2011 11:30 AM PDT

Whip it out I take the bluff.
That aside what companies got the agumentation that made them fight even when any human would have long died?

  • 04.19.2011 11:33 AM PDT

http://www.halo-forum.com

Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N
Whip it out I take the bluff.
That aside what companies got the agumentation that made them fight even when any human would have long died?

Gamma Company.

  • 04.19.2011 11:35 AM PDT


Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N
Whip it out I take the bluff.
That aside what companies got the agumentation that made them fight even when any human would have long died?

Gamma Company.
thank you

[The SPARTAN-IIIs underwent enhancement procedures similar to those of the SPARTAN-IIs, but weaker with higher success rates due to advancements in technology. The rate of survival went up from 44% for the SPARTAN-IIs to 100% for the SPARTAN-IIIs]

Quoted from halo nation. A reliable source sometimes. Spartan II agumentations were better than III's because they wanted more canidants to survive and they would rather have a process that would have zero casualties but slightly not as good. All the evidence to contradict all you need. Also whatever happened to the first noble team most were killed. Showing that spartan III's seem to take a lot more casualties in a shorter time span.

  • 04.19.2011 11:39 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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Three pages into this discussion and some folks honestly believe that because the S-IIIs died, they suck.

  • 04.19.2011 11:40 AM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Three pages into this discussion and some folks honestly believe that because the S-IIIs died, they suck.
They died a lot more often eve nwhen outfitted with the same technology as the spartan II's headhunter teams, Noble team, guantlent, and echo. All of the teams must have constantly taken casulties as there were always new replacements for the teams pulled from beta, or other sources. Spartan III's were very efficient and deadly right up there with the spartan II's.
But the spartan II's were one pedistal higher.

  • 04.19.2011 11:45 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Three pages into this discussion and some folks honestly believe that because the S-IIIs died, they suck.
They died a lot more often eve nwhen outfitted with the same technology as the spartan II's headhunter teams, Noble team, guantlent, and echo.


Lolwat


[Edited on 04.19.2011 11:49 AM PDT]

  • 04.19.2011 11:48 AM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Three pages into this discussion and some folks honestly believe that because the S-IIIs died, they suck.
They died a lot more often eve nwhen outfitted with the same technology as the spartan II's headhunter teams, Noble team, guantlent, and echo.


Lolwat
My bad haven't posted in a long time. Just started up again a few days ago.
What I was saying is that even though these spartan III's were pulled out of their companies. Even though they got same equipment as the spartan II's. They still died a lot more often than their spartan II counterparts.

[Edited on 04.19.2011 11:52 AM PDT]

  • 04.19.2011 11:52 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Three pages into this discussion and some folks honestly believe that because the S-IIIs died, they suck.
They died a lot more often eve nwhen outfitted with the same technology as the spartan II's headhunter teams, Noble team, guantlent, and echo. All of the teams must have constantly taken casulties as there were always new replacements for the teams pulled from beta, or other sources. Spartan III's were very efficient and deadly right up there with the spartan II's.
But the spartan II's were one pedistal higher.

They are of equal strength and value.

Yes, Noble, Gauntlet, Echo, and the Headhunters died even with more advanced technology. However, Noble surived over 20 years of operations and missions, as did Echo and Guantlet I would imagine. And come on, is it really bad that they died on REACH? Reach was the grave of numerous Spartan-IIs.

  • 04.19.2011 11:53 AM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Three pages into this discussion and some folks honestly believe that because the S-IIIs died, they suck.
They died a lot more often eve nwhen outfitted with the same technology as the spartan II's headhunter teams, Noble team, guantlent, and echo. All of the teams must have constantly taken casulties as there were always new replacements for the teams pulled from beta, or other sources. Spartan III's were very efficient and deadly right up there with the spartan II's.
But the spartan II's were one pedistal higher.

They are of equal strength and value.

Yes, Noble, Gauntlet, Echo, and the Headhunters died even with more advanced technology. However, Noble surived over 20 years of operations and missions, as did Echo and Guantlet I would imagine. And come on, is it really bad that they died on REACH? Reach was the grave of numerous Spartan-IIs.
Yes it is true Noble did survive a long time and so did the other spartan III teams. They still constatnly mounted up casualties a lot more often than any spartan II team did. Noble lost four of its original members and god knows how many replacements.

Also Reach was bound to fall and most spartans did die on Reach regardless of class. Defending Reach in itself was a suidice mission as the covenant came with over 300 ships one of the largest covenant fleets seen at the time. There was no hope. Even for spartans.

  • 04.19.2011 11:58 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Three pages into this discussion and some folks honestly believe that because the S-IIIs died, they suck.
They died a lot more often eve nwhen outfitted with the same technology as the spartan II's headhunter teams, Noble team, guantlent, and echo. All of the teams must have constantly taken casulties as there were always new replacements for the teams pulled from beta, or other sources. Spartan III's were very efficient and deadly right up there with the spartan II's.
But the spartan II's were one pedistal higher.

They are of equal strength and value.

Yes, Noble, Gauntlet, Echo, and the Headhunters died even with more advanced technology. However, Noble surived over 20 years of operations and missions, as did Echo and Guantlet I would imagine. And come on, is it really bad that they died on REACH? Reach was the grave of numerous Spartan-IIs.
Yes it is true Noble did survive a long time and so did the other spartan III teams. They still constatnly mounted up casualties a lot more often than any spartan II team did. Noble lost four of its original members and god knows how many replacements.

Also Reach was bound to fall and most spartans did die on Reach regardless of class. Defending Reach in itself was a suidice mission as the covenant came with over 300 ships one of the largest covenant fleets seen at the time. There was no hope. Even for spartans.


Chief lost Sam, Arthur, Solomon, Grace, Anton, and Li under his watch. Yeah, Noble lost four original members. The Spartan-II's still had high casualties despite beign better armed and more expereinced.

  • 04.19.2011 12:04 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Three pages into this discussion and some folks honestly believe that because the S-IIIs died, they suck.
They died a lot more often eve nwhen outfitted with the same technology as the spartan II's headhunter teams, Noble team, guantlent, and echo. All of the teams must have constantly taken casulties as there were always new replacements for the teams pulled from beta, or other sources. Spartan III's were very efficient and deadly right up there with the spartan II's.
But the spartan II's were one pedistal higher.

They are of equal strength and value.

Yes, Noble, Gauntlet, Echo, and the Headhunters died even with more advanced technology. However, Noble surived over 20 years of operations and missions, as did Echo and Guantlet I would imagine. And come on, is it really bad that they died on REACH? Reach was the grave of numerous Spartan-IIs.
Yes it is true Noble did survive a long time and so did the other spartan III teams. They still constatnly mounted up casualties a lot more often than any spartan II team did. Noble lost four of its original members and god knows how many replacements.

Also Reach was bound to fall and most spartans did die on Reach regardless of class. Defending Reach in itself was a suidice mission as the covenant came with over 300 ships one of the largest covenant fleets seen at the time. There was no hope. Even for spartans.


Chief lost Sam, Arthur, Solomon, Grace, Anton, and Li under his watch. Yeah, Noble lost four original members. The Spartan-II's still had high casualties despite beign better armed and more expereinced.
Fair game. They weren't better armed than Noble or any other headhunter team. Spartan II's never had a higher casualty than 4 people on any given mission and honestly the way bungie developed the story nobody honestly knows how many spartan II's died in the war. Anton and Li was something that could of happened to any of them because the plasma vectors where always random.
If you count the other spartan III teams they always had significant casualties always within several years. Why do you guys think that spartan III's were better than their orginals. Orginals are always going to be better.

  • 04.19.2011 12:10 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N
If you count the other spartan III teams they always had significant casualties always within several years. Why do you guys think that spartan III's were better than their orginals. Orginals are always going to be better.

Yes, the S-IIIs had higher casualties because they were sent on missions deemed impossible for even ODSTs, the UNSC's top non-Spartan troopers. Spartan-IIs were on the frontlines, but they had the luxary of constantly getting better armor and technology. S-IIIs had to use SPI armor. Put the Spartan-IIs in the S-IIIs missions and they would never make it. Put the S-IIIs in the Spartan-IIs missions and the S-IIIs would have less casualties.

And I'm sorry for thinking that the original can be beaten because it's the truth.

  • 04.19.2011 12:16 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N
If you count the other spartan III teams they always had significant casualties always within several years.


Maybe because Spartan III companies were sent on missions that were considered even too dangerous for Spartan II's? Suicide missions, to be used as disposable heroes? Without the resources Spartan II's? Without the support Spartan II's had?

Spartan III's had everything against them, but even then they were capable of completing their missions, even if that meant the death of all of them.


  • 04.19.2011 12:18 PM PDT

It is true that technically S-II are better than S-III, in that they have better augmentations and more training, and generally better equipment, but Noble 6 was an exception because of how good he was.

So yes, I think it could be said that Noble 6 was a better fighter than most S-II's. but he might not have been stronger or faster than all of them

[Edited on 04.19.2011 12:28 PM PDT]

  • 04.19.2011 12:22 PM PDT

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  • 04.19.2011 12:24 PM PDT


Posted by: Son Of Mountains
It is true that technically S-II are better than S-III, in that they have better augmentations and more training, and generally better equipment, but Noble 6 was an exception because of how good he was.

So yes, I think it could be said that Noble 6 was a better fighter than most S-II's. but he might not have been stronger or faster than all of them


Wrong...

Spartan II and III augmentations where the same in results. There has NEVER been a statement saying the S3 augmentations were worse in universe.

Spartan II training had a lot of academics. Spartan III training was more military focused, and better in that area (I have three quotes to back it up.) So yes, Spartan IIs received more training, but it was on a wide variety of stuff. Spartan III training was labeled as better.

  • 04.19.2011 12:57 PM PDT

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Son Of Mountains
It is true that technically S-II are better than S-III, in that they have better augmentations and more training, and generally better equipment, but Noble 6 was an exception because of how good he was.

So yes, I think it could be said that Noble 6 was a better fighter than most S-II's. but he might not have been stronger or faster than all of them


Wrong...

Spartan II and III augmentations where the same in results. There has NEVER been a statement saying the S3 augmentations were worse in universe.

Spartan II training had a lot of academics. Spartan III training was more military focused, and better in that area (I have three quotes to back it up.) So yes, Spartan IIs received more training, but it was on a wide variety of stuff. Spartan III training was labeled as better.


but S-II's were, overall, better soldiers, right?
I'm asking because from what I remember from the books, Master Chief's class of spartan were abducted at a young age, trained and indoctrinated for years and then given the peak of military technology and augmentations, while Noble Team's class was a little more...rushed(?) through the process, with less intense augmentations, a little less training, and less powerful armor. At the beginning of Ghosts of Onyx, all the S-III's are only, like, young teenagers weren't they?

[Edited on 04.19.2011 1:08 PM PDT]

  • 04.19.2011 1:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Son Of Mountains
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Son Of Mountains
It is true that technically S-II are better than S-III, in that they have better augmentations and more training, and generally better equipment, but Noble 6 was an exception because of how good he was.

So yes, I think it could be said that Noble 6 was a better fighter than most S-II's. but he might not have been stronger or faster than all of them


Wrong...

Spartan II and III augmentations where the same in results. There has NEVER been a statement saying the S3 augmentations were worse in universe.

Spartan II training had a lot of academics. Spartan III training was more military focused, and better in that area (I have three quotes to back it up.) So yes, Spartan IIs received more training, but it was on a wide variety of stuff. Spartan III training was labeled as better.


but S-II's were, overall, better soldiers, right?
I'm asking because from what I remember from the books, Master Chief's class of spartan were abducted at a young age, trained and indoctrinated for years and then given the peak of military technology and augmentations, while Noble Team's class was a little more...rushed(?) through the process, with less intense augmentations, a little less training, and less powerful armor. At the beginning of Ghosts of Onyx, all the S-III's are only, like, young teenagers weren't they?


Spartan IIIs started training at the same age as Spartan IIs. The Augmentations were the same results, medical advances allowed them to be safer. They received less academics, but more teamwork/battle tactics training.

And they were deployed on dangerous missions (leading up to the suicide ones) far earlier then Spartan IIs were in comparison.

  • 04.19.2011 1:45 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: Son Of Mountains
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Son Of Mountains
It is true that technically S-II are better than S-III, in that they have better augmentations and more training, and generally better equipment, but Noble 6 was an exception because of how good he was.

So yes, I think it could be said that Noble 6 was a better fighter than most S-II's. but he might not have been stronger or faster than all of them


Wrong...

Spartan II and III augmentations where the same in results. There has NEVER been a statement saying the S3 augmentations were worse in universe.

Spartan II training had a lot of academics. Spartan III training was more military focused, and better in that area (I have three quotes to back it up.) So yes, Spartan IIs received more training, but it was on a wide variety of stuff. Spartan III training was labeled as better.


but S-II's were, overall, better soldiers, right?
I'm asking because from what I remember from the books, Master Chief's class of spartan were abducted at a young age, trained and indoctrinated for years and then given the peak of military technology and augmentations, while Noble Team's class was a little more...rushed(?) through the process, with less intense augmentations, a little less training, and less powerful armor. At the beginning of Ghosts of Onyx, all the S-III's are only, like, young teenagers weren't they?


All three Spartan III companies had all the recruits at age 4, 5 and 6, with some exceptions being Carter (11), Emile (9) and Jun (7). The Spartans at the beginning of the Book were already graduated and were part of Operation Torpedo, which was their last mission (age 12, Beta company), so in overall, they spent at least 6 years training.

And for god's sake, the Alpha company Spartans were forced to paradrop to a designated point on their first night at Onyx.

  • 04.19.2011 1:59 PM PDT
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S-IIs to me just seem more badass. In First Strike, Linda was hanging upside down firing through the port holes of Banshees.

Will fought 2 Hunters hand to hand. John dove from space in to the atmosphere holding a piece of Ship hull.

  • 04.19.2011 2:17 PM PDT

Posted by: Nycteris
S-IIs to me just seem more badass. In First Strike, Linda was hanging upside down firing through the port holes of Banshees.

Will fought 2 Hunters hand to hand. John dove from space in to the atmosphere holding a piece of Ship hull.



and during training, john -blam!--slapped a missile fired from a jet so good that it didn't kill him, and ran so fast (65 mph or soemthing crazy) that his achilles tendon tore.

SPARTAN-II's just seem more badass. From reading the books it sounded like S-III's got training that wasn't as well-rounded and equipment that wasn't quite as cutting-edge.


I guess the way I feel about it is, S-II's are more the super-soldier type of thing, true warriors that could overcome any obstacle, while companies of S-III's were more like disposable weaponry, that could be sent in for a vital mission that nobody could survive

[Edited on 04.19.2011 2:33 PM PDT]

  • 04.19.2011 2:31 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Son Of Mountains
Posted by: Nycteris
S-IIs to me just seem more badass. In First Strike, Linda was hanging upside down firing through the port holes of Banshees.

Will fought 2 Hunters hand to hand. John dove from space in to the atmosphere holding a piece of Ship hull.



and during training, john -blam!--slapped a missile fired from a jet so good that it didn't kill him, and ran so fast (65 mph or soemthing crazy) that his achilles tendon tore.

SPARTAN-II's just seem more badass. From reading the books it sounded like S-III's got training that wasn't as well-rounded and equipment that wasn't quite as cutting-edge.


I guess the way I feel about it is, S-II's are more the super-soldier type of thing, true warriors that could overcome any obstacle, while companies of S-III's were more like disposable weaponry, that could be sent in for a vital mission that nobody could survive

No, John slapped a missle because he had Cortana with him and her presence gave him enhanced reflexes to do so..

  • 04.19.2011 2:38 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Son Of Mountains
Posted by: Nycteris
S-IIs to me just seem more badass. In First Strike, Linda was hanging upside down firing through the port holes of Banshees.

Will fought 2 Hunters hand to hand. John dove from space in to the atmosphere holding a piece of Ship hull.



and during training, john -blam!--slapped a missile fired from a jet so good that it didn't kill him, and ran so fast (65 mph or soemthing crazy) that his achilles tendon tore.

SPARTAN-II's just seem more badass. From reading the books it sounded like S-III's got training that wasn't as well-rounded and equipment that wasn't quite as cutting-edge.


I guess the way I feel about it is, S-II's are more the super-soldier type of thing, true warriors that could overcome any obstacle, while companies of S-III's were more like disposable weaponry, that could be sent in for a vital mission that nobody could survive

No, John slapped a missle because he had Cortana with him and her presence gave him enhanced reflexes to do so..


And John royally -blam!- himself up by doing that. If I remember right, he couldn't move that far after it and had to wait for MEDICAL EVAC.

  • 04.19.2011 2:41 PM PDT