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Posted by: spartan120
1) A video game such as halo is designed to make the player feel like a total bad ass. There is no realism in this franchise, as far as game play is concerned, so using that to determine whether or not Six [or SIIIs in general] are better than S117 [Or SIIs likewise] is an exercise in pointlessness. At the end of the day, it comes down to how you play the game that determines who is better, if that's what you're out to achieve.
I agree with this. Gameplay is not an accurate representation of canon. But that is all I agree with.
2) It is widely considered, and documented in novels and such, that Gen III Spartans were not designed to be superior than their predecessors, but rather: be cheaper to make, easier to source and equip, faster to train and more expendable than a Gen II.
Actually it there are no sources whatsoever stating that the IIIs were inferior. There are however numerous sources to show that they are indeed equal and in some case superior. The Headhunters were noted to be better than IIs at infiltration, Gamma Company were noted by Kurt, himself being a "superior" II, to be the best Spartans ever created, N6 is the only equal to John, arguably the best Spartan II etc. etc.
Cheaper, easier, faster and more expendable does not mean worse. The only reason this is a "widely considered" view is because most people have a subconscious hard-on for the IIs and refuse to accept that they could be matched, or bettered, as this would diminish their own personal view of their heroes.
The inductee's were picked at random from the war affected population. There was little if any genetic screening or observation of the subjects and a percentage were actually volunteers for the program.
There was screening, GoO says it numerous times. That's why Beta's initial projection of 1000 ended up being cut to 300. And all of them were volunteers, but only as far as they were asked did they want to be trained or return to their life as orphans without a home.
A 'class' was turned over quickly,
Training for the IIIs was only a year less than that of the IIs, Kurt himself mentioning that he improved the regime, hence the streamlined timeframe.
and the augmentations were administered without the protocol established with the Gen IIs [both in procedures and technology and resources].
Different process, different protocol.
Gen IIIs had a larger population base than II's, and advancements in augmentation sciences [a good deal of the ground work completed by Halsey during the Gen II advancements] enabled a larger group to survive the augmentation process.
A larger survival rate means nothing in the overall effectiveness of the results of the process.
As a general biased opinion, however, Gen IIs were superior.
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They were bigger,
Most of Noble are the same height, if not taller than the Chief
stronger
I'd love a source for this. I don't think there are any. There are however some saying the contrary. Tom ripped open a drop pod with his hands, in SPI armour i.e no strength enhancers, one of the IIIs (can't remember off hand) went toe to toe with Kelly, again in SPI while Kelly in MJOLNIR and gave her a run for her money.
faster
Again, a source would be lovely. There are also examples to the contrary for this. Tom in SPI running at 30 km/hr, above mentioned Spartan against Kelly, she herself saying she moved faster than humanly possible.
and more intelligent than the Gen IIIs,
And once more for good measure, direct source?
not to mention they were better equipped, had considerably more training and experience than Gen IIIs, and for the most part, were just naturally better [due in part to genetic screening in the early stages of the SPARTAN II program]
Your arguing two greatly different circumstances here. A teenage Spartan III in SPI with limited real-life experience will certainly be bested by a fully grown, experienced and MJOLNIR equipped II. However, that is not an equal setting. That's like comparing a bicycle to a Harley-Davidson. The point myself, and a few others are trying to make is that IIIs are equal to IIs when given the opportunity and resources the IIs were, which most were not.