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Subject: Assault Carriers; General Question
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We are determined that before the sun sets on this terrible struggle our flag will be recognized throughout the world as a symbol of freedom on the one hand and of overwhelming force on the other.

I cant find it in the Halo cannon;

How many troops can an Assault Carrier hold?
The answer can be an accurate estimate, doesn't have to be exact.

Discuss.

  • 04.18.2011 2:51 PM PDT

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Since it's 5 km long I would estimate that it could hold anywhere from 5,000-10,000 troops.

  • 04.18.2011 2:53 PM PDT
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We are determined that before the sun sets on this terrible struggle our flag will be recognized throughout the world as a symbol of freedom on the one hand and of overwhelming force on the other.

Well lets look at this cross-Universe.

The Venator-class Republic Attack cruiser could hold 2300 Clones and was only 1km long with a much smaller cargo bay.

  • 04.18.2011 2:55 PM PDT

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Good point, and the 1000 foot Nimitz Class supercarriers (Current US aircraft carriers) hold 5000 people. The Covenant supercarriers could hold several hundred thousand aliens. With these numbers in mine the assault carriers may hold around 50,000.

  • 04.18.2011 3:02 PM PDT


Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Good point, and the 1000 foot Nimitz Class supercarriers (Current US aircraft carriers) hold 5000 people. The Covenant supercarriers could hold several hundred thousand aliens. With these numbers in mine the assault carriers may hold around 50,000.

Actually, if a Nimitz is 332.8m long and can hold 5680 people, then a scaled-up 5km Nimitz with equal personell/volume would hold around 19 million people. Even assuming that an assault carrier is less spatially efficient and doesn't have as much volume due to its shape or uses a lot of its volume for weaponry, you're still potentially looking at troop complements in the millions, if we approach this problem realistically.

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  • 04.18.2011 3:31 PM PDT
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We are determined that before the sun sets on this terrible struggle our flag will be recognized throughout the world as a symbol of freedom on the one hand and of overwhelming force on the other.

Well, all of this space would be taken up by Scarabs, pre-fabricated bases, Phantoms, Spirits and such, I would feel comfortable saying 14,000-20,000

  • 04.18.2011 3:46 PM PDT

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  • 04.18.2011 3:50 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

A 1455m Covenant Carrier is said to carry a crew of upwards of 4000 troops, according to the Encyclopaedia. Scaling linearly up to 5km for the Assault Carrier, it would carry upwards of 14'000 troops. (Rounded up very liberally)

A bit low - very low - given what Tupolev said. Although Halo has never really been strictly realistic with its given figures. (MAC velocities, ship tonnages)

  • 04.18.2011 3:52 PM PDT

I'd take anything you read in the Halo Encyclopedia with a grain of salt, that book is full of errors.

When comparing to human vessels, it's important ro remember that some of the Covenant races are much larger then your average human. A corridor 15 feet high might seem wasteful to use, but a 8ft. tall Elite or 12ft. tall Hunter would think otherwise.

  • 04.18.2011 5:07 PM PDT

would guess it might depend on another factor, how urgent is it? since X amount of square feet can hold so many people, giving them some level of freedoms, like somewhere to bunk, etc. where-as in an emergency way way more people could be fit into the same space, sacrificing all comforts so would consider that as a factor as well.

  • 04.18.2011 5:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Good point, and the 1000 foot Nimitz Class supercarriers (Current US aircraft carriers) hold 5000 people. The Covenant supercarriers could hold several hundred thousand aliens. With these numbers in mind the assault carriers may hold around 50,000.

Actually, if a Nimitz is 332.8m long and can hold 5680 people, then a scaled-up 5km Nimitz with equal personell/volume would hold around 19 million people. Even assuming that an assault carrier is less spatially efficient and doesn't have as much volume due to its shape or uses a lot of its volume for weaponry, you're still potentially looking at troop complements in the millions, if we approach this problem realistically.

That's why I also showed the estimate for the number of troops on board of the supercarrier. The Nimitz was there as a lower bound (disproving my previous out of the air estimate). The assault carrier provides an upper bound, at 27 km long with several hundred thousand troops, scale this back to a 5 km long ship and you get around 50,000 when only scaling for length.

Going any lower would be foolish because of how effectively the Covenant was able to lock down New Mombasa, with troops to spare for Delta Halo.

  • 04.18.2011 5:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Omanisat
I'd take anything you read in the Halo Encyclopedia with a grain of salt, that book is full of errors.

Name them.

  • 04.18.2011 6:01 PM PDT

Uh, off the top of my head...

-It states that the M7 SMG is amoung other things prone to jamming, despite the fact it fires a caseless round, which is almost impossible to jam.

-Related to above, the picture showing all the various forms of UNSC ammunition incorrectly shows the M7 round embedded in a square block of propellent.

-It states that the length of a Covenant destroyer is 1,500m, twice the length of a Covenant frigate. But the entry for the frigate states its length as being 1,000 meters.

  • 04.18.2011 7:53 PM PDT


Posted by: CTN 0452 9
That's why I also showed the estimate for the number of troops on board of the supercarrier. The Nimitz was there as a lower bound (disproving my previous out of the air estimate). The assault carrier provides an upper bound, at 27 km long with several hundred thousand troops, scale this back to a 5 km long ship and you get around 50,000 when only scaling for length.

Going any lower would be foolish because of how effectively the Covenant was able to lock down New Mombasa, with troops to spare for Delta Halo.

My entire point was that your low bound was extremely low; the fact that these objects are 3 dimensional means that you have to scale their capacities cubically, not linearly.

Basically, if a Nimitz was 27km long, it wouldn't have 27000/332.8=81.13 times the capacity of a standard Nimitz. It would have (27000/332.8)^3=531000 times the capacity. I used the same sort of scaling math to find the Assault Carrier capacity, figuring that even if the assault carrier only had a personell density of 1/19th that of Nimitz, it would still have over one millions troops on board. Making the same assumption about a supercarrier, and you wind up with a vessel carrying over 150 million troops.

On the other hand, if they have the personell density of a Nimitz and comparable volume per length, then they can carry just over 3 billion Covenant troops. Basically, 5680*(27000/332.8)^3.

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...Which, if you were wondering, is why many people still refuse to believe that the supercarrier is canonically intended to be as big as depicted in Long Night of Solace, as opposed to being a simple 5km Assault Carrier.

  • 04.18.2011 8:19 PM PDT


Posted by: Dustin 6047
If you look at how big the Covenant is compared to people, then it can't hold 19 million.

Right, which is one of the things I was thinking about when I mentioned (semi-indirectly) that, while 19 million might be a very high guess, a number above 1 million would not be shocking.

  • 04.18.2011 9:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: anton1792
A 1455m Covenant Carrier is said to carry a crew of upwards of 4000 troops, according to the Encyclopaedia. Scaling linearly up to 5km for the Assault Carrier, it would carry upwards of 14'000 troops. (Rounded up very liberally)


With the volume increasing with the cube of 5/1.455, the AC is ~39 times bigger. So over 156,000 troops.



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  • 04.18.2011 9:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Omanisat
Uh, off the top of my head...

-It states that the M7 SMG is amoung other things prone to jamming, despite the fact it fires a caseless round, which is almost impossible to jam.

-Related to above, the picture showing all the various forms of UNSC ammunition incorrectly shows the M7 round embedded in a square block of propellent.

-It states that the length of a Covenant destroyer is 1,500m, twice the length of a Covenant frigate. But the entry for the frigate states its length as being 1,000 meters.

Right. I have 6 off the top off my head all distinct from yours, so that is 9 and there may be a few more. After that it is pretty much scraping the barrel; hardly sufficient for "full of errors" for a 300 page book.

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With the volume increasing with the cube

Thanks. Forgot to do that.

  • 04.19.2011 5:41 AM PDT

Posted by: Omanisat
-Related to above, the picture showing all the various forms of UNSC ammunition incorrectly shows the M7 round embedded in a square block of propellent.
Incorrectly based on what? Because Art of Halo also shows the SMG rounds being like that.

  • 04.19.2011 6:42 AM PDT

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  • 04.19.2011 7:03 AM PDT

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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

First Strike said that a Cruiser had deployed over 10.000 ground troops to assault the generator complex.

Now if we talk about an Assault Carrier... I'd say probably around 20 to 40 thousand Covenant troops.

  • 04.19.2011 11:22 AM PDT