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Subject: Evil Otto and 343i confirm Nicole-458 IS CANON

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I asked Evil Otto if Nicole's appearance in Dead or Alive 4 is simply non-canon and that her existance in the Haloverse is canon. Since the Nassau station (which is her map on the game) exists in the Haloverse, why can't she?
He confirmed, that Nicole does infact exist in the Haloverse.
This makes Nicole the first Class-II Spartan-II to make a physical appearance (ilovebees only contained audio.)
Spartan 100 managed to get an answer from 343i, backing up Otto's comment. Thanks 343i
This means that both Nicole and Class-II Spartan-IIs are canon.

[Edited on 04.26.2011 10:42 PM PDT]

  • 04.20.2011 12:31 AM PDT
Subject: Evil Otto confirms Nicole-458 IS CANON

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I think you are misinterpreting that. She isn't canon. In fact the Class II Spartan IIs are yet to be confirmed as canon at all.

[Edited on 04.20.2011 12:37 AM PDT]

  • 04.20.2011 12:35 AM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

Class 2 is canon. Also Evil Otto confirmed she's canon, but her appearance in DoA4 is non-canon, similar to John's appearance in Odd One Out.

  • 04.20.2011 12:52 AM PDT

Ugh... Hasn't Otto made it VERY clear in several other topics that he doesn't like it, AT ALL, when people PM him questions and start posting the PM reply everywhere?

Just saying.

  • 04.20.2011 12:52 AM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?

I have read Evil Otto's message and I think you are reading into it too far

Yes, the person is canon - Ie the armour etc etc - but the scenario isn't - Otto even says that Nicole being there "not a situation you could right(sic) into canon"

So, I still don't think she is.

  • 04.20.2011 12:53 AM PDT


Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Class 2 is canon. Also Evil Otto confirmed she's canon, but her appearance in DoA4 is non-canon, similar to John's appearance in Odd One Out.


Um, odd one out is completely non canon.

  • 04.20.2011 12:53 AM PDT
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Unless they retcon Nicole into a S-III I don't see how she and the class II's can be canon. Another uber top secret group of spartans we've never heard about is going abit too far IMO.

  • 04.20.2011 1:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Class 2 is canon. Also Evil Otto confirmed she's canon, but her appearance in DoA4 is non-canon, similar to John's appearance in Odd One Out.

We have a canon source (FoR) confirming that the Class II never happened, therefore it never happened.

  • 04.20.2011 2:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Ugh... Hasn't Otto made it VERY clear in several other topics that he doesn't like it, AT ALL, when people PM him questions and start posting the PM reply everywhere?

Just saying.


Yes, Otto has stated time and time again that even though he answers PM's, he's often wrong and he hates when people make threads on his PM's because then people take his word, which may be wrong, as the opinion of all of Bungie even when it isn't.

Also, Class II's aren't canon. Nicole isn't canon(which was made clear in the weekly update that discussed her.) and Bungie no longer has a say on what is or isn't canon, that is all up to 343.

  • 04.20.2011 4:07 AM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg


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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Class 2 is canon. Also Evil Otto confirmed she's canon, but her appearance in DoA4 is non-canon, similar to John's appearance in Odd One Out.

We have a canon source (FoR) confirming that the Class II never happened, therefore it never happened.

FoR also said that Elites were never encountered before. it's called retcon. Also there's the ilovebees campaign which established the existance of the Class-II. Also the new FoR implies a new group of S-IIs (Class-II)

  • 04.20.2011 10:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Class 2 is canon. Also Evil Otto confirmed she's canon, but her appearance in DoA4 is non-canon, similar to John's appearance in Odd One Out.

We have a canon source (FoR) confirming that the Class II never happened, therefore it never happened.

FoR also said that Elites were never encountered before. it's called retcon. Also there's the ilovebees campaign which established the existance of the Class-II. Also the new FoR implies a new group of S-IIs (Class-II)

Yeah, they're called the Spartan-IIIs.

  • 04.20.2011 10:54 AM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

Either way, I asked Otto if Nicole was canon and her appearance in DoA4 was non-canon and he said yes to her, no to the DoA4.

  • 04.20.2011 10:56 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Either way, I asked Otto if Nicole was canon and her appearance in DoA4 was non-canon and he said yes to her, no to the DoA4.

She isn't canon, that's a fact.

  • 04.20.2011 10:58 AM PDT


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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Either way, I asked Otto if Nicole was canon and her appearance in DoA4 was non-canon and he said yes to her, no to the DoA4.

She isn't canon, that's a fact.


+ the fact Otto doesn't know everything and has expressed displeasure at finding his PMs being thrown around like candy and the official statement of bungie.

  • 04.20.2011 11:07 AM PDT

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Class II
Janissary James - Nicole-458 - Yasmine Zaman

  • 04.20.2011 11:09 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Give this Weekly Update a read. 12/13/2005

  • 04.20.2011 11:10 AM PDT

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A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Give this Weekly Update a read. 12/13/2005
Looks like they created her for the purpose of having a canon Spartan. Otherwise they would've used Chief.

  • 04.20.2011 11:19 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: matman25402
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Give this Weekly Update a read. 12/13/2005
Looks like they created her for the purpose of having a canon Spartan. Otherwise they would've used Chief.


Initially, team Ninja wanted, and asked very politely, for Master Chief. Well, we balked at that. Master Chief is busy, fictionally speaking. We left him at the end of Halo 2, involved in a very large scale galactic conflict with world-ending repercussions. Fictionally speaking, he just wasn't available for fisticuffs.

Perhaps you should read it more carefully.

  • 04.20.2011 11:21 AM PDT

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A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: matman25402
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Give this Weekly Update a read. 12/13/2005
Looks like they created her for the purpose of having a canon Spartan. Otherwise they would've used Chief.


Initially, team Ninja wanted, and asked very politely, for Master Chief. Well, we balked at that. Master Chief is busy, fictionally speaking. We left him at the end of Halo 2, involved in a very large scale galactic conflict with world-ending repercussions. Fictionally speaking, he just wasn't available for fisticuffs.

Perhaps you should read it more carefully.
Exactly.. So they created a spartan who was fictionally available... perhaps you should comprehend more carefully.

  • 04.20.2011 11:23 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: matman25402
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: matman25402
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Give this Weekly Update a read. 12/13/2005
Looks like they created her for the purpose of having a canon Spartan. Otherwise they would've used Chief.


Initially, team Ninja wanted, and asked very politely, for Master Chief. Well, we balked at that. Master Chief is busy, fictionally speaking. We left him at the end of Halo 2, involved in a very large scale galactic conflict with world-ending repercussions. Fictionally speaking, he just wasn't available for fisticuffs.

Perhaps you should read it more carefully.
Exactly.. So they created a spartan who was fictionally available... perhaps you should comprehend more carefully.

But where does it state she is a canonical Spartan-II? Does Spartan-1337 now count even though he is non-canon? Are the universes of DoA and Halo now one and the same? Everywhere else lists her as non-canon.

  • 04.20.2011 11:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: matman25402
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: matman25402
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Give this Weekly Update a read. 12/13/2005
Looks like they created her for the purpose of having a canon Spartan. Otherwise they would've used Chief.


Initially, team Ninja wanted, and asked very politely, for Master Chief. Well, we balked at that. Master Chief is busy, fictionally speaking. We left him at the end of Halo 2, involved in a very large scale galactic conflict with world-ending repercussions. Fictionally speaking, he just wasn't available for fisticuffs.

Perhaps you should read it more carefully.
Exactly.. So they created a spartan who was fictionally available... perhaps you should comprehend more carefully.

But where does it state she is a canonical Spartan-II? Does Spartan-1337 now count even though he is non-canon? Are the universes of DoA and Halo now one and the same? Everywhere else lists her as non-canon.

Everything created by 343 & Bungie is assumed canon unless stated otherwise. Odd One Out was stated not canon. Nicole was not. In fact she was created for the purpose of using a canon spartan.

  • 04.20.2011 11:29 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: matman25402
Everything created by 343 & Bungie is assumed canon unless stated otherwise. Odd One Out was stated not canon. Nicole was not. In fact she was created for the purpose of using a canon spartan.

No, she was created so a Spartan could be in the 21st century. She is canon in the DoA universe, not the Halo universe.

  • 04.20.2011 11:30 AM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: matman25402
Everything created by 343 & Bungie is assumed canon unless stated otherwise. Odd One Out was stated not canon. Nicole was not. In fact she was created for the purpose of using a canon spartan.

No, she was created so a Spartan could be in the 21st century. She is canon in the DoA universe, not the Halo universe.


Um... I kinda read in that update that Nicole was Non-canon.

She was not labeled in Fall of Reach as one of the Spartans rescued (Who were ALL named). So how did she get to Earth?

  • 04.20.2011 11:41 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: matman25402
Everything created by 343 & Bungie is assumed canon unless stated otherwise. Odd One Out was stated not canon. Nicole was not. In fact she was created for the purpose of using a canon spartan.

No, she was created so a Spartan could be in the 21st century. She is canon in the DoA universe, not the Halo universe.


Um... I kinda read in that update that Nicole was Non-canon.

She was not labeled in Fall of Reach as one of the Spartans rescued (Who were ALL named). So how did she get to Earth?

Like I said, canon in the Dead or Alive universe, not the Halo universe.

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  • 04.20.2011 11:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: matman25402
Everything created by 343 & Bungie is assumed canon unless stated otherwise. Odd One Out was stated not canon. Nicole was not. In fact she was created for the purpose of using a canon spartan.

No, she was created so a Spartan could be in the 21st century. She is canon in the DoA universe, not the Halo universe.


Um... I kinda read in that update that Nicole was Non-canon.

She was not labeled in Fall of Reach as one of the Spartans rescued (Who were ALL named). So how did she get to Earth?

Not all of the spartans we at Reach mind you, not that i am supporting her being canon because she isn't.

  • 04.20.2011 11:45 AM PDT