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Subject: Evil Otto confirms Nicole-458 IS CANON

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Well I'm waiting for 343i confirmation of her existance.

  • 04.20.2011 8:39 PM PDT

"What do you hear?"
"Nothing but the rain."
"Then grab your gun and bring in the cat."
"Boom, boom, boom!"

Team Echo and Team Gauntlet (there was no Team Gamma on Reach) could be a second class as the OP believes or teams of S-IIIs, like Noble. We don't know and I find it very foolish to assume they're a second class of S-IIs OP.

Yes, funding and a lack of candidates was a problem in 2531 but in 2537 (according to ILB) the candidates were there. Funding is still unknown.

So (and this next part is going to be completely hypothetical) what if the UNSC "out-sourced" the second class to a private group like they did with some of the armor? Keep their existence hidden from most? Just an idea and one could expand on it if they wanted to. Guess you could say it's better then just ONI'ing SPARTANs into existence, though not by much.

I sit somewhere in the middle of this whole thing. It would be nice to see because as the OP has stated, it does open the opportunity to tell new stories plus we don't have to add any more SPARTANs to the first class (screwing up the numbers even more) or add more S-IIIs to the Alpha and Beta classes.

But then again, it's adding too many SPARTANs. We want these characters to feel special in a way, not some average red-shirt marine that we can kill off ten minutes into the story (maybe less). Plus it goes against everything we've been told and I don't think this forum can handle another retcon. =P

I think a second class will depend on what happens to ILB. As it's been stated before, it does sit in limbo canon-wise.

Plus Otto has been known to be wrong (he's said it himself).

This could be a fun exercise actually but someone here (or maybe everybody) should come up with their idea for a second class, just for kicks. It could be interesting to see.

  • 04.20.2011 8:40 PM PDT

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Nicole, and Class II Spartan IIs makes absolutely no canonical sense. You would have to be be mentally impaired to think that either of the two are canon.

  • 04.20.2011 11:08 PM PDT


Posted by: switch 104 sv
Nicole, and Class II Spartan IIs makes absolutely no canonical sense. You would have to be be mentally impaired to think that either of the two are canon.


The part of the bio "Enjoys watching anime" kinda pushed heavily at non-canon.

Not saying it's not possible, but does anybody honestly see a Spartan, especially a Spartan II having enough free time to watch anime or other shows?

  • 04.20.2011 11:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Nicole, and Class II Spartan IIs makes absolutely no canonical sense. You would have to be be mentally impaired to think that either of the two are canon.


The part of the bio "Enjoys watching anime" kinda pushed heavily at non-canon.

Not saying it's not possible, but does anybody honestly see a Spartan, especially a Spartan II having enough free time to watch anime or other shows?

I'm gonna stick with my original comment. :P

  • 04.20.2011 11:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Skulblaka
Ah, well in that case I have never seen Halo:Legends.


I hate legends because of how everything has an asian theme to it. It pisses me off that they have to make everything look like this, it looks horrible.

No offense, not trying to be racist or anything.

  • 04.21.2011 4:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: Skulblaka
Ah, well in that case I have never seen Halo:Legends.


I hate legends because of how everything has an asian theme to it. It pisses me off that they have to make everything look like this, it looks horrible.

No offense, not trying to be racist or anything.


It's anime, what the hell did you expect? Of course it's going to have that kind of spin on the aesthetics because the guys who did it had artistic freedom, plus can you not realise that Legends was a market ploy to expand the fanbase outside the West? The Xbox doesn't sell very well in Japan, bringing the most anticipated title over there was a move to get them interested.

Also, some of the art is well warranted. Sanghelios and Sangheili culture has often been said to be like feudal Japan; and the structures in The Babysitter were Ancient Human which is something completely new.

  • 04.21.2011 5:30 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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We the OP can give me info on where all the Class-II candidates went, who trained the, and where they were trained, I'll accept Nicole as canon.

Easiest debate ever.

  • 04.21.2011 10:13 AM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
We the OP can give me info on where all the Class-II candidates went, who trained the, and where they were trained, I'll accept Nicole as canon.

Easiest debate ever.


Indeed. OP, who trained them, how did they get Mark V/VI armor (Which it looks like Nicole has.), and where they hell were they for the battle of Reach and Earth? I'm fairly sure 30-100+ spartans in MJOLNIR would be noticeable.

  • 04.21.2011 11:58 AM PDT

holy hell, if I had a pound for each mention of the word 'canon' I have read on here, would be rich beyond belief...!

  • 04.21.2011 12:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
We the OP can give me info on where all the Class-II candidates went, who trained the, and where they were trained, I'll accept Nicole as canon.

Easiest debate ever.


Indeed. OP, who trained them, how did they get Mark V/VI armor (Which it looks like Nicole has.), and where they hell were they for the battle of Reach and Earth? I'm fairly sure 30-100+ spartans in MJOLNIR would be noticeable.


I am in no way endorsing the OP or his claim, just though it best to throw that out there before I carried on.

I just had a thought, perhaps those Spartans who originally died or were massively deformed by the augmentations and then brought back up to operational status are referred to as Class II and they intended to abduct more candidates but the project was canceled midway and then only the least damaged of the washouts became Spartans while the rest of the project was scrapped?

Again, I am in no way endorsing the OP or his claim, I just thought I'd add this to the discussion and see what comes of it.

  • 04.21.2011 12:08 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
We the OP can give me info on where all the Class-II candidates went, who trained the, and where they were trained, I'll accept Nicole as canon.

Easiest debate ever.


Indeed. OP, who trained them, how did they get Mark V/VI armor (Which it looks like Nicole has.), and where they hell were they for the battle of Reach and Earth? I'm fairly sure 30-100+ spartans in MJOLNIR would be noticeable.


I am in no way endorsing the OP or his claim, just though it best to throw that out there before I carried on.

I just had a thought, perhaps those Spartans who originally died or were massively deformed by the augmentations and then brought back up to operational status are referred to as Class II and they intended to abduct more candidates but the project was canceled midway and then only the least damaged of the washouts became Spartans while the rest of the project was scrapped?

Again, I am in no way endorsing the OP or his claim, I just thought I'd add this to the discussion and see what comes of it.


It's an idea, I had something similar to that for an rp somewhere.

Sadly, it's kinda blown up by the fact Halsey had the corpses of the washouts, intending to bring them back when medical tech advanced enough to repair their bodies. So she would have been involved.

  • 04.21.2011 12:15 PM PDT

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I cannot believe this has turned into a point of contention...It was established from the get go that Nicole doesn't exist in the Halo universe and that she was made up on the spot to accommodate Team Ninja's request for having a Spartan in their game Universe.

I swear...this forum is devolving fast when the amount of threads such as this are becoming commonplace now....

  • 04.21.2011 1:15 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2
I cannot believe this has turned into a point of contention...It was established from the get go that Nicole doesn't exist in the Halo universe and that she was made up on the spot to accommodate Team Ninja's request for having a Spartan in their game Universe.

I swear...this forum is devolving fast when the amount of threads such as this are becoming commonplace now....

I blame canonical inept people like the OP.

  • 04.21.2011 1:23 PM PDT

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I still can't believe this thread is alive...ahaha.
Did someone go to 343i about this?

  • 04.21.2011 2:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Count Blinkula
I still can't believe this thread is alive...ahaha.
Did someone go to 343i about this?

Waiting for Vociferous to answer.

  • 04.21.2011 2:08 PM PDT

An assassin will always carry on, even after death.

This thread has become absolutly ridiculous. It has been proven again and again that Nicole is not part of the Halo Universe. Accept it.

  • 04.21.2011 2:22 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

Ok let me put it this way.
Nicole does exist in the Haloverse, but her appearance in DoA4 is non-canon.
Nassau Station does exist in the Haloverse, but it's appearance in DoA4 is non-canon.

Same situation for both.
Now we could debate about the whole "watching anime" thing, but it's now FACT that Nicole was a Class-II.

Frank O'Connor said that there may be further exploring into why Ralph had a huge service number. What was it 303? Of course he was a Class-I


Here is a timeline of all that went down.

2531-Halsey was planning on having Class-II created but her funds were diverted. That same year the S-III project began. This is most likely where her funds went to. Halsey did have a list of candidates but some (or most) were not within the age range. Nicole may have been one of them (though she was just born in 2531, the UNSC may have had newborn's DNA catalogued)
2537-Nicole, Yasmine Zaman, and a possible maximum of 306 6-7 year old children are abducted into Class-II. This same year, all members of Alpha Company are KIA.
2539-Beta Company begins training.
2542-43-Class-II possibly graduates. Yasmine dies from the augmentation.
2552-Any Class-II that are on Reach (possibly Gauntlet and Echo) that survived escape Reach (possibly Aegis Fate). When the Covenant invade Earth, they plan some sort of mission. This is when the non-canon starts (DoA4). But I assume that the mission part could be canon. Possibly trying to get Regret?
Honestly Earth was invaded and I highly doubt that only 4-6 S-IIs held off the Covie while there were dozens on Reach and most of them died. It would make sense that there were Class-II on Earth.

Now sometime after 2525, Maria-062 is possibly injured in battle and "retires." It is implied that she has children. Now we see from ILB that a Spartan 1.1 (Janisary James) was going to be abducted into the Class-II program but her father killed the ONI agent.
Class-II is most likely made up of some of the candidates that Halsey had picked out, Spartan 1.1's, and possibly Maria's children. This would make her children Spartan 2.1s. Because they have the genetic structure and everything for a Spartan-II, they would have been perfect for the program.

Now it could be possibly that private companies funded the Class-II project as private companies did develop some of the MJOLNIR armor. I'm sure there was some mutli trillionaire (it's 500 years in the future, I'm sure Wal-Mart got that rich.) had ties with the UNSC and funded the Class-II. Private companies have been known to do things like these. BlackWater has mercenaries, so why not?

Now I don't think that there were 300+ Class-II members, maybe there were 75-100 candidates that were abducted. They most likely did recieve MJOLNIR armor. Some of them most likely were on Reach during it's fall. It could be possible that Team Echo and Gauntlet are made up of Class-II as there are just simply no more Class-Is to add in. Those team's also could have had S-IIIs in them, kinda like Noble.

This is the most likely case of the Class-II.

[Edited on 04.21.2011 3:32 PM PDT]

  • 04.21.2011 3:22 PM PDT

I see a whole lot of speculation and nothing which is concrete.

Blackwater? who is that?

Again, WHO trained them. and WHERE THE HELL WHERE THEY for the battle of Reach and Earth?

Trust me, 70-100 Spartans in MJOLNIR is hard to not notice. And like hell they wouldn't be pulled back to help the Spartan IIs on the mission to capture a prophet. Or pulled back after Reach fell(For whatever reason they weren't there for) and sent to Earth like other military forces.

[Edited on 04.21.2011 3:28 PM PDT]

  • 04.21.2011 3:28 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

Blackwater is a private military. Mostly mercs

  • 04.21.2011 3:52 PM PDT

An assassin will always carry on, even after death.

I'm completely sure that it has been established that Spartan II class II was canceled. There was NEVER ANY SPARTAN II CLASS II.

  • 04.21.2011 3:58 PM PDT


Posted by: Skulblaka
I'm completely sure that it has been established that Spartan II class II was canceled. There was NEVER ANY SPARTAN II CLASS II.


This. Outfitting another group that big with MJOLNIR would have been noticed. They DEFINATELY would have been mentioned and recalled to help the Spartan II 'class 1' with the prophet mission.

Oh, and kidnapping Maria's kids for it? Massively stupid idea on ONI's end. She'd easily find out and quickly bring down the whole thing.

  • 04.21.2011 4:03 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Class II was confirmed to be non-canon when the only "canon" Class II we knew of(Yasmine) was placed as a REGULAR Spartan II washout, not a Class II washout, in the Encyclopedia. Thus, all bases of a "Class II" existing was completely erased.

And to those saying, "buy Otto said she was canon!!!!" how about this.

I PM'd Otto about two months ago asking for an explanation as to why Reach broke so much canon. This is the response he gave. If everything Otto says is canon, then Reach never freakin' happened.

The Class II's DON'T EXIST. Why is this topic even still up for debate?!

  • 04.21.2011 4:16 PM PDT

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I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Class-II exists because Otto says Nicole exists and Franky said ilovebees is canon.

End of story. No debate unless you're a troll
Stifling discussion because you don't want to hear it is probably a really legitimate way to get your point across. It's probably a given that the more knowledge members that have contributed to this forum much more, and for a much longer time than you have, are trolls. If you repond to any of the points I made you are a troll (Two can play at this game).

LALALALALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING.

[Edited on 04.21.2011 4:34 PM PDT]

  • 04.21.2011 4:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: StealthSlasher2
I cannot believe this has turned into a point of contention...It was established from the get go that Nicole doesn't exist in the Halo universe and that she was made up on the spot to accommodate Team Ninja's request for having a Spartan in their game Universe.

I swear...this forum is devolving fast when the amount of threads such as this are becoming commonplace now....
Ummmm have you not been on the site pretty much since the announcement of Halo 3? :) It doesn't help that they have absolutely killed canon. They make the Star Wars universe look like an anally retentive person's dream.

Posted by: privet caboose
Class II was confirmed to be non-canon when the only "canon" Class II we knew of(Yasmine) was placed as a REGULAR Spartan II washout, not a Class II washout, in the Encyclopedia. Thus, all bases of a "Class II" existing was completely erased.

And to those saying, "buy Otto said she was canon!!!!" how about this.

I PM'd Otto about two months ago asking for an explanation as to why Reach broke so much canon. This is the response he gave. If everything Otto says is canon, then Reach never freakin' happened.

The Class II's DON'T EXIST. Why is this topic even still up for debate?!
You do realize he was just giving up and being sarcastic right? No Bungie employee in any time in the near future will admit that Reach isn't canon. What are they going to say? "Reach screwed the pooch as far as canon goes." That's not going to happen.

  • 04.21.2011 4:30 PM PDT