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Subject: Evil Otto confirms Nicole-458 IS CANON

True, what-if's with the knowledge they don't exist is fine.

That's where Joshua fails, he's saying What-ifs as if the what-ifs are fact and true.

  • 04.22.2011 1:27 PM PDT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Evil Otto
LOL dudes, can't we just all get along? Believe what you want to believe. Wrestling over semantics seems like a waste of time.

You don;t come here often do you? =)
He heard the forum call his name.

  • 04.22.2011 1:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Evil Otto
LOL dudes, can't we just all get along? Believe what you want to believe. Wrestling over semantics seems like a waste of time.


That's kind of what we do in the universe fourm.

Regardless, I recall you saying that you no longer wanted us to make threads based off of your PMs, anyhow.

I also recall you guys stating before that Nicole was non canon, so whats changed?



  • 04.22.2011 2:02 PM PDT

An assassin will always carry on, even after death.

Nothing has changed, she in non canon.

  • 04.22.2011 2:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
True, what-if's with the knowledge they don't exist is fine.

That's where Joshua fails, he's saying What-ifs as if the what-ifs are fact and true.


Good to know lol and agreed.

If they were written in at a later date, that would be fine by me (I'd sorta seem them as Headhunters in a way). But it would take a bit of work to make it fit and honestly, I don't think Nicole would still be considered canon.

Like you've said, people would notice an extra 70-100 S-IIs running around. That's why the numbers should stay low.

  • 04.22.2011 2:50 PM PDT

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I got my answer about Nicole!

Official answer!
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  • 04.25.2011 8:53 PM PDT
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Posted by:Vociferous
She is based on a "real" and properly defined Spartan, but the appearance in the DOA game, for obvious reasons, is not canonical. That Spartan COULD be featured elsewhere, but there are no current plans.
I'm probably misinterpreting this but it sounds like 458 might not even be Nicole's real number.

[Edited on 04.25.2011 9:04 PM PDT]

  • 04.25.2011 9:01 PM PDT

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I really wish they stopped adding more and more and more Spartans into the canon. Spartan Is, IIs, II Class 2s, and all the IIIs companies. Suddenly they have lost their elite exclusivity.

  • 04.25.2011 9:26 PM PDT

"What do you hear?"
"Nothing but the rain."
"Then grab your gun and bring in the cat."
"Boom, boom, boom!"

Posted by: flamedude
I really wish they stopped adding more and more and more Spartans into the canon. Spartan Is, IIs, II Class 2s, and all the IIIs companies. Suddenly they have lost their elite exclusivity.


At the rate these SPARTANs die though? Seems like it's still a pretty exclusive club.

Posted by: Nameless Oracle
Posted by:Vociferous
She is based on a "real" and properly defined Spartan, but the appearance in the DOA game, for obvious reasons, is not canonical. That Spartan COULD be featured elsewhere, but there are no current plans.
I'm probably misinterpreting this but it sounds like 458 might not even be Nicole's real number.


I see it more as a "There COULD be a second class of S-IIs that COULD be featured elsewhere" but since there are no current plans, they're sorta in a limbo state.

Or maybe you're seeing it the right way and they plan to count her as a first class. Wouldn't be surprised if her number stayed the same though, considering there's Ralph-303. -.-

  • 04.25.2011 11:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Class 2 is canon. Also Evil Otto confirmed she's canon, but her appearance in DoA4 is non-canon, similar to John's appearance in Odd One Out.

We have a canon source (FoR) confirming that the Class II never happened, therefore it never happened.

FoR also said that Elites were never encountered before. it's called retcon. Also there's the ilovebees campaign which established the existance of the Class-II. Also the new FoR implies a new group of S-IIs (Class-II)

I would also like to point out that I love bees is not entirely cannon. However, I would love to believe Nicole is cannon.

  • 04.26.2011 12:23 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Nicole was likely bumped down to Spartan II class I status then. Yasmine was bumped down in the Encyclopedia, and every spec of detail that hinted at a class II was utterly destroyed with the Encyclopedia and Halseys Journal. They don't exist.

  • 04.26.2011 3:58 AM PDT

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Well the link I provided should clear the mess up a bit.

  • 04.26.2011 9:47 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
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Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

SHE'S CLASS-II!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND CANON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 04.26.2011 10:36 PM PDT


Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
SHE'S CLASS-II!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND CANON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As far as I can tell, Nicole might not be canon at all.

The comment on the waypoint forums simply said "She was based off of an actual Spartan" or something like that. What's saying they didn't take one of the others, make a new name and hand it off to DoA?

  • 04.26.2011 10:39 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg


Posted by: privet caboose
Nicole was likely bumped down to Spartan II class I status then. Yasmine was bumped down in the Encyclopedia, and every spec of detail that hinted at a class II was utterly destroyed with the Encyclopedia and Halseys Journal. They don't exist.


Ok YOU are choosing to ignore the existance of Class-II even though Bungie, 343, Frank all have said Class-II is canon. And it's not just you, most of you are ignoring this.
Nicole is a Class-II so that means that Class-II is now, again, OFFICIALLY CANON. She was conscripted at the time that Yasmine was conscripted, both are Class-II. So what if there was a -blam!- ERROR IN FoR! THERE'S SEVERAL CANON ERRORS IN THAT DAMN BOOK! HALSEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE ELITES!!
GET OVER IT, SHE'S CANON KNOW, ALONG WITH CLASS-II.

  • 04.26.2011 10:40 PM PDT
Subject: Evil Otto and 343i confirm Nicole-458 IS CANON


Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: privet caboose
Nicole was likely bumped down to Spartan II class I status then. Yasmine was bumped down in the Encyclopedia, and every spec of detail that hinted at a class II was utterly destroyed with the Encyclopedia and Halseys Journal. They don't exist.


Ok YOU are choosing to ignore the existance of Class-II even though Bungie, 343, Frank all have said Class-II is canon. And it's not just you, most of you are ignoring this.
Nicole is a Class-II so that means that Class-II is now, again, OFFICIALLY CANON. She was conscripted at the time that Yasmine was conscripted, both are Class-II. So what if there was a -blam!- ERROR IN FoR! THERE'S SEVERAL CANON ERRORS IN THAT DAMN BOOK! HALSEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE ELITES!!
GET OVER IT, SHE'S CANON KNOW, ALONG WITH CLASS-II.


Fail rage much?

Your grasp of canon has been shown to be faulty, and you jump into theories with little if any backing. (The whole John Forge is Spartan 1).

If I remember correctly, you still haven't answered my question about how the Spartans IIs, in your theory, could exist. Mainly the why weren't they brought in for the Spartan II mission to capture a prophet, and how 70-100 Spartan II class II's could have MJOLNIR and not be mentioned.

I've seen Bungie say Class 2 was not canon. I haven't seen anybody say Class II is canon. I saw the message which sounded more like Nicole was formed from the basic idea of an actual Spartan, and Class II was NEVER confirmed to be canon.

Frankly, the proof given only implies the basic idea of Nicole is canon, maybe Nicole in entirety. There is no proof I've seen which says Class II are canon. Given the FACT that Halsey's Journal makes a CLEAR note of Class II being canceled (Least I think so, Pvt Caboose would probably know that better.), how could it exist?

[Edited on 04.26.2011 10:47 PM PDT]

  • 04.26.2011 10:45 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg


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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: privet caboose
Nicole was likely bumped down to Spartan II class I status then. Yasmine was bumped down in the Encyclopedia, and every spec of detail that hinted at a class II was utterly destroyed with the Encyclopedia and Halseys Journal. They don't exist.


Ok YOU are choosing to ignore the existance of Class-II even though Bungie, 343, Frank all have said Class-II is canon. And it's not just you, most of you are ignoring this.
Nicole is a Class-II so that means that Class-II is now, again, OFFICIALLY CANON. She was conscripted at the time that Yasmine was conscripted, both are Class-II. So what if there was a -blam!- ERROR IN FoR! THERE'S SEVERAL CANON ERRORS IN THAT DAMN BOOK! HALSEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE ELITES!!
GET OVER IT, SHE'S CANON KNOW, ALONG WITH CLASS-II.


Fail rage much?

Your grasp of canon has been shown to be faulty, and you jump into theories with little if any backing. (The whole John Forge is Spartan 1).

If I remember correctly, you still haven't answered my question about how the Spartans IIs, in your theory, could exist. Mainly the why weren't they brought in for the Spartan II mission to capture a prophet, and how 70-100 Spartan II class II's could have MJOLNIR and not be mentioned.

I've seen Bungie say Class 2 was not canon. I haven't seen anybody say Class II is canon. I saw the message which sounded more like Nicole was formed from the basic idea of an actual Spartan, and Class II was NEVER confirmed to be canon.

Frankly, the proof given only implies the basic idea of Nicole is canon, maybe Nicole in entirety. There is no proof I've seen which says Class II are canon. Given the FACT that Halsey's Journal makes a CLEAR note of Class II being canceled (Least I think so, Pvt Caboose would probably know that better.), how could it exist?


The whole prophet mission and everything else has yet to be explained by 343i. Most likely in the future they will explore the Class-II in greater detail. Just like how Vociferous said, Nicole COULD be featured elsewhere but there are no current plans for that.
Also Halsey didn't know about S-IIIs, it could be possible she didn't even known about Class-II.
By Bungie and 343 both saying she's canon, therefore her bio is canon, which means that she is a Class-II which means that Class-II is canon.
I'm glad that I've "changed" the Haloverse a tad bit now. So next time we see more S-IIs, I wouldn't be suprised if 343 says they're Class-II.

End of Debate.

[Edited on 04.26.2011 10:51 PM PDT]

  • 04.26.2011 10:50 PM PDT
Subject: Evil Otto confirms Nicole-458 IS CANON

*reminisces when the Bungie/Halo community wasn't made up of CoD kids*
*sighs*
*activates time-machine and sets the clock back to Nov. 9, 2004*
glory days here I come..
*vanishes*

Well that was most unexpected.

  • 04.26.2011 11:13 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

I think this calls for a celebration

  • 04.26.2011 11:17 PM PDT
Subject: Evil Otto and 343i confirm Nicole-458 IS CANON


Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
The whole prophet mission and everything else has yet to be explained by 343i. Most likely in the future they will explore the Class-II in greater detail. Just like how Vociferous said, Nicole COULD be featured elsewhere but there are no current plans for that.
Also Halsey didn't know about S-IIIs, it could be possible she didn't even known about Class-II.
By Bungie and 343 both saying she's canon, therefore her bio is canon, which means that she is a Class-II which means that Class-II is canon.
I'm glad that I've "changed" the Haloverse a tad bit now. So next time we see more S-IIs, I wouldn't be suprised if 343 says they're Class-II.

End of Debate.


As far as I know, the prophet mission was explained very clearly.

ALL available Spartan IIs were recalled to take place in the briefing and be outfitted with MJOLNIR Mark V. They were to capture a Covenant ship, then kidnap one of the high-prophets to force a cease fire.

Um, Halsey THOUGHT UP the Spartan II Class II. She knew were resources were being redirected (for the S3 program, just not that is was for Spartan IIIs.) She'd have noticed such stuff for a class II program. Even then, explain this. WHY THE HELL would they deny Halsey the Class II Spartan II funding and resources, then turn around and create it themselves? That's utterly retarded.

Bungie, and 343, have only VAGUELY said she was canon. They have Said Nicole is based off a canon spartan, that's it.

It's not end of debate.

  • 04.26.2011 11:19 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

Oh I'm sorry I couldn't read your stupid ad hoc cause I'm too busy being so bad ass.

  • 04.26.2011 11:21 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Please tell me what proof you have she is a Class-II.

  • 04.26.2011 11:34 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Please tell me what proof you have she is a Class-II.


Check his last post, he ignored my statements, as he's done before when they threaten his 'proof'.

  • 04.26.2011 11:36 PM PDT

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A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds...'
I suppose we all thought that one way or another."
- J. Robert Oppenheimer

Posted by: Spartan 100
I got my answer about Nicole!

Official answer!
All vociferously clap for Vociferous!
Case closed. Because Vociferous is more credible than Otto, imo.


Based on a "real" and properly defined Spartan
The character was created to be a cameo for another game. She has no other purpose. She could become canon if Bungie decided to do something with her, but chances are highly unlikely.

Doesn't matter if Bungie says she's canon or not, it's not like she's going to ever be used for anything.

  • 04.26.2011 11:41 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

Oh well let's see, Nicole was conscripted in 2537. This is also the same year that several candidates were conscirpted (or escaped conscription) for the Class-II project as stated in ilovebees. Oh and let's see, Bungie made her bio. Both Bungie and 343 said that everything about her except for the DoA4 part is canon. oh what does that mean? That oh let's see, that Class-II is canon?
Oh but you say that Halsey didn't get the funds for Class-II? Oh but maybe she didn't get to oversee Class-II in the end? Didn't she also in the same book theorize the existence of Elites?

End of Debate. I'm leaving this thread. Go on and try to ignore what the holders of the Halo canon have said.
But don't worry, you'll accept it soon. Just like how we all accepted S-IIIs with MJOLNIR armor.

[Edited on 04.26.2011 11:42 PM PDT]

  • 04.26.2011 11:41 PM PDT