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Subject: Why are the spartans so lowly ranked?

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It seems they would be given a higher status due to thier tactical brialliance, to have the best leader being a petty officer is kind of sad...


(Though after kat's tip of the spear blunder I think I under stand...) Tactical Brilliance, alot of planning went into that huh? A classic reanactment of pickets charge....

  • 04.20.2011 11:14 PM PDT

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Spartans are meant to fight, not lead.

  • 04.20.2011 11:22 PM PDT

They won't necessarily have high rank if their tactical brilliant is applied to small-scale field operations. They wouldn't dump an enormous resource investment into making Spartans incredibly tough in battle, and then only use them for upper-level strategic planning.

  • 04.20.2011 11:30 PM PDT

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basically so they can be directed and controlled by anyone who needs them.

  • 04.20.2011 11:57 PM PDT

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When Kat died they were trying to stop the covanant from taking over reach, It wasnt planed. They just went in there and killed stuff and saved people.Spartans are a bit like Clones from star wars, made to fight and do what there told.

[Edited on 04.21.2011 12:28 AM PDT]

  • 04.21.2011 12:26 AM PDT

I have thought the same thing, but I suppose it is because they work in small groups and don't really interact with standard soldiers much, they don't really need fancy ranks if they are just ordering each other around.

Also, they get their orders from very high up, so if the Spartans are on a mission, it's not like some Lieutenant or something could tell the Chief to stop what he is doing and give him a hand, only someone of very high rank would be able to override his current orders. See what I mean?
It seems like the only time the Chief's lowly rank ever made things hard for him was it the book, The Flood, when the ODST Major was ordering him around.

  • 04.21.2011 1:34 AM PDT
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A few reasons I think. In universe the spartans were created to be used as tools. To accept any order without question and do what ordinary soldiers can't. Their purpose is to fight not command troops from a ship or a bunker.

In real life I think a lot of sci fi writers really don't have much understanding of the militaries ranking system so they just randomly choose ranks that sound cool.

  • 04.21.2011 1:52 AM PDT

The same reason the entire S.A.S aren't all Generals the moment they get in.

Just because you hold a lower rate/rank does not mean just anyone can come in and start ordering you about.

  • 04.21.2011 3:06 AM PDT
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Being a high ranking officer on the battlefield is somewhat detrimental to your forces. People tend to worry too much about the commander, and they have to draw troops away to protect him. Besides, it isn't practical for a footsoldier to be commanding troops because he wouldn't have access to all the tactical data that would be available to a general sitting at a desk somewhere.

  • 04.21.2011 3:23 AM PDT

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Some Spartan II's who were disabled during their augmentation became tacticians. Other than that it's because they generally want to keep them in the field rather than as Officers.

  • 04.21.2011 3:46 AM PDT

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Operators never have high ranks, because they don't sit at desks, they operate on the field.

  • 04.21.2011 4:29 AM PDT

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Spartans are meant to fight, not lead.


This.

  • 04.21.2011 5:34 AM PDT
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http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=140094 56&player=PersonifiedHell This is why AL is overpowered. If you support AL and you see this. I'm glad you are using a crutch to win, retards...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the members of Noble Team all officers? Like Six is a Lieutenant and Carter is a Commander.

What makes them so special to obtain officers ranks but Spartans II never did? (Most of them)

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  • 04.21.2011 6:00 AM PDT

I read something along this line in one of the books, a spartan is a middleman he can recieve orders from higher up but can order the men on the field of battle.

  • 04.21.2011 6:34 AM PDT

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the members of Noble Team all officers? Like Six is a Lieutenant and Carter is a Commander.

What makes them so special to obtain officers ranks but Spartans II never did? (Most of them)


I think because they fight alongside other army guys all the time.

  • 04.21.2011 6:41 AM PDT


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Posted by: Sovereignty
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the members of Noble Team all officers? Like Six is a Lieutenant and Carter is a Commander.

What makes them so special to obtain officers ranks but Spartans II never did? (Most of them)


I think because they fight alongside other army guys all the time.



Something like that, they were given higher ranks to give them more independence in the field. And I can see why, I mean the other Spartans run into problems with the chain of command somewhat frequently, Lieutenant Haverson's and Chief's brief conflict in First Strike comes to mind.

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Posted by: Sovereignty
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the members of Noble Team all officers? Like Six is a Lieutenant and Carter is a Commander.

What makes them so special to obtain officers ranks but Spartans II never did? (Most of them)


I think because they fight alongside other army guys all the time.



Something like that, they were given higher ranks to give them more independence in the field. And I can see why, I mean the other Spartans run into problems with the chain of command somewhat frequently, Lieutenant Haverson's and Chief's brief conflict in First Strike comes to mind.


I think Mclees once explained thise issue in one of the weekly updates

  • 04.21.2011 7:30 AM PDT


Posted by: Makko Mace
It seems they would be given a higher status due to thier tactical brialliance, to have the best leader being a petty officer is kind of sad...


(Though after kat's tip of the spear blunder I think I under stand...) Tactical Brilliance, alot of planning went into that huh? A classic reanactment of pickets charge....


What blunder are you talking about? Kat wasn't responsible for organizing what was going on in Tip of the Spear, she came up with the plan for taking out the Long Night of Solace.

And you can't judge the result of the engagement the rest of the group had with the Covenant in TotS's opening as we don't see it. Imo, it would see that the group is all splitting up to take on various objectives and not just bum rushing the Covenant. And contrary to what the majority of you think, sometimes that is the most efficient or only viable option to take out the enemy.

  • 04.21.2011 7:32 AM PDT


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Posted by: Makko Mace
It seems they would be given a higher status due to thier tactical brialliance, to have the best leader being a petty officer is kind of sad...


(Though after kat's tip of the spear blunder I think I under stand...) Tactical Brilliance, alot of planning went into that huh? A classic reanactment of pickets charge....


What blunder are you talking about? Kat wasn't responsible for organizing what was going on in Tip of the Spear, she came up with the plan for taking out the Long Night of Solace.

And you can't judge the result of the engagement the rest of the group had with the Covenant in TotS's opening as we don't see it. Imo, it would see that the group is all splitting up to take on various objectives and not just bum rushing the Covenant. And contrary to what the majority of you think, sometimes that is the most efficient or only viable option to take out the enemy.


And that was probably not the entire group. There were multiple deployments across the territory.

Edit: Also, as others have said. Spartans are FOOTSOLDIERS.

[Edited on 04.21.2011 8:12 AM PDT]

  • 04.21.2011 8:04 AM PDT

most officers don't see as much action, and they need spartans in the fight as much as possible.

  • 04.21.2011 12:42 PM PDT

In the words of the Master Chief himself "No soldier should be honoured for doing what is expected of them". I think they were taught that by Chief Mendez and that is why they are not really high ranks

  • 04.21.2011 12:46 PM PDT


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In the words of the Master Chief himself "No soldier should be honoured for doing what is expected of them". I think they were taught that by Chief Mendez and that is why they are not really high ranks


Maybe, but isn't that whole set of live action trailers non-canon?

  • 04.21.2011 12:53 PM PDT

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The Spartan IIs are only operators, so they don't need to be a higher rate than an NCO. Its not like a member of JSOC is going to be commanding a capital ship.

That is the whole reason John 117 is a Master Chief, he needs to be able to command his men, and Marines in the field, but can be ordered around by senior officers.

  • 04.21.2011 2:18 PM PDT

because they are enlisted not commissioned

  • 04.21.2011 4:54 PM PDT

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