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Poll: More info on forerunner's from 343?  [closed]
Yeahh!:  86%
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No!:  9%
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Don't care and this thread is pointless.:  5%
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100,000 years ago the forerunner where the most technologicaly advanced race in the milky way galaxy. They believed all species should be protected and evolve naturally. Their technology was so advanced they could slipspace planets around stars or build planets literally around stars (like a shell ie, in halo wars. Maybe they progressed technologicaly because they could work towards a common goal as a collective intelligent species. Something that goes against human nature, and something we could never achieve. Yes i am aware the forerunner did inherit some of their technology from the precursers. But nevertheless they had a very respectable nature, they believed all life should be able to evolve naturally and used thier technology and wisdom to protect those evolving species. Anyway how many fans out there would like to see some more media released by 343 industries regarding the forerunners?

  • 04.21.2011 1:30 AM PDT

I would definitely like more info, but I don't really understand why your on Bungie's forums when your talking about 343.

It's seems like you might be better off on the Waypoint forums.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything like that, but it just doesn't make too much sense to me!

  • 04.21.2011 1:39 AM PDT

I've fought mudcrabs more fierce than you!

Thats why i posted in bungie universe, i didn't know there was a waypoint forum. besides it's all of bungie's story, microsoft just owns the rights now.

  • 04.21.2011 2:28 AM PDT
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I hope Waypoint doesn't spoil anything for us. If they reveal too much info, they might give away some plot points in future Halo books by Greg Bear.

That being said, I'm fine with them revealing some details to give us a teaser or two.

  • 04.21.2011 2:36 AM PDT

If you haven't read cryptum, read it. It's all about forerunners and tells you about them.

  • 04.21.2011 2:36 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Well Cryptum has 2 sequels in the works, so yes there will be much more to come.

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Posted by: Vermachtnis117
100,000 years ago the forerunner where the most technologicaly advanced race in the milky way galaxy. They believed all species should be protected and evolve naturally. Their technology was so advanced they could slipspace planets around stars or build planets literally around stars (like a shell ie, in halo wars. Maybe they progressed technologicaly because they could work towards a common goal as a collective intelligent species. Something that goes against human nature, and something we could never achieve. Yes i am aware the forerunner did inherit some of their technology from the precursers. But nevertheless they had a very respectable nature, they believed all life should be able to evolve naturally and used thier technology and wisdom to protect those evolving species. Anyway how many fans out there would like to see some more media released by 343 industries regarding the forerunners?


I Am sorry people but i clicked this thread 3 times and this just bothers me to no ends.

It is stated by the forerunners that they were the most advanced life in the galaxy just like any country would say today. Even then they got that supremacy by not letting any other life get advanced unless they already were (prophets,humans). In which the Humans were just as advanced as the forerunner, but of course they wouldn't admit that.


Ha, Respect and Protect? the forerunners were angry that humanity was on the same level as them and de-evolved them the first chance they got. not only that after they found out they were WRONG they still kept humanity down because they were full of such arrogance and pride.

  • 04.21.2011 4:48 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Vermachtnis117
100,000 years ago the forerunner where the most technologicaly advanced race in the milky way galaxy. They believed all species should be protected and evolve naturally. Their technology was so advanced they could slipspace planets around stars or build planets literally around stars (like a shell ie, in halo wars. Maybe they progressed technologicaly because they could work towards a common goal as a collective intelligent species. Something that goes against human nature, and something we could never achieve. Yes i am aware the forerunner did inherit some of their technology from the precursers. But nevertheless they had a very respectable nature, they believed all life should be able to evolve naturally and used thier technology and wisdom to protect those evolving species. Anyway how many fans out there would like to see some more media released by 343 industries regarding the forerunners?


I Am sorry people but i clicked this thread 3 times and this just bothers me to no ends.

It is stated by the forerunners that they were the most advanced life in the galaxy just like any country would say today. Even then they got that supremacy by not letting any other life get advanced unless they already were (prophets,humans). In which the Humans were just as advanced as the forerunner, but of course they wouldn't admit that.


Ha, Respect and Protect? the forerunners were angry that humanity was on the same level as them and de-evolved them the first chance they got. not only that after they found out they were WRONG they still kept humanity down because they were full of such arrogance and pride.


True,but the Humans were the first ones to attack Forerunner worlds,because they were too lazy to ask help from the forerunners to fight the flood.Oh well,desperation took over them,understandable if you fight the flood.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Vermachtnis117
100,000 years ago the forerunner where the most technologicaly advanced race in the milky way galaxy. They believed all species should be protected and evolve naturally. Their technology was so advanced they could slipspace planets around stars or build planets literally around stars (like a shell ie, in halo wars. Maybe they progressed technologicaly because they could work towards a common goal as a collective intelligent species. Something that goes against human nature, and something we could never achieve. Yes i am aware the forerunner did inherit some of their technology from the precursers. But nevertheless they had a very respectable nature, they believed all life should be able to evolve naturally and used thier technology and wisdom to protect those evolving species. Anyway how many fans out there would like to see some more media released by 343 industries regarding the forerunners?


I Am sorry people but i clicked this thread 3 times and this just bothers me to no ends.

It is stated by the forerunners that they were the most advanced life in the galaxy just like any country would say today. Even then they got that supremacy by not letting any other life get advanced unless they already were (prophets,humans). In which the Humans were just as advanced as the forerunner, but of course they wouldn't admit that.


Ha, Respect and Protect? the forerunners were angry that humanity was on the same level as them and de-evolved them the first chance they got. not only that after they found out they were WRONG they still kept humanity down because they were full of such arrogance and pride.


True,but the Humans were the first ones to attack Forerunner worlds,because they were too lazy to ask help from the forerunners to fight the flood.Oh well,desperation took over them,understandable if you fight the flood.


The forerunners have over 3 million worlds, i don't see the harm of giving the humans a few systems because if they were truly noble they would have done that. Plus they never even questioned why the humans randomly attacked until then.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Vermachtnis117
100,000 years ago the forerunner where the most technologicaly advanced race in the milky way galaxy. They believed all species should be protected and evolve naturally. Their technology was so advanced they could slipspace planets around stars or build planets literally around stars (like a shell ie, in halo wars. Maybe they progressed technologicaly because they could work towards a common goal as a collective intelligent species. Something that goes against human nature, and something we could never achieve. Yes i am aware the forerunner did inherit some of their technology from the precursers. But nevertheless they had a very respectable nature, they believed all life should be able to evolve naturally and used thier technology and wisdom to protect those evolving species. Anyway how many fans out there would like to see some more media released by 343 industries regarding the forerunners?


I Am sorry people but i clicked this thread 3 times and this just bothers me to no ends.

It is stated by the forerunners that they were the most advanced life in the galaxy just like any country would say today. Even then they got that supremacy by not letting any other life get advanced unless they already were (prophets,humans). In which the Humans were just as advanced as the forerunner, but of course they wouldn't admit that.


Ha, Respect and Protect? the forerunners were angry that humanity was on the same level as them and de-evolved them the first chance they got. not only that after they found out they were WRONG they still kept humanity down because they were full of such arrogance and pride.


True,but the Humans were the first ones to attack Forerunner worlds,because they were too lazy to ask help from the forerunners to fight the flood.Oh well,desperation took over them,understandable if you fight the flood.


The forerunners have over 3 million worlds, i don't see the harm of giving the humans a few systems because if they were truly noble they would have done that. Plus they never even questioned why the humans randomly attacked until then.


Humans attacked the Forerunners with violence.All the Forerunners saw were agressive Humans attacking innocent worlds.

Then there is also the hatred between the two,as the Humans said they were the rightfull mantle holders,Forerunners are angry but left them alone till humans start killing off entire species on worlds within Forerunner territory.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Vermachtnis117
100,000 years ago the forerunner where the most technologicaly advanced race in the milky way galaxy. They believed all species should be protected and evolve naturally. Their technology was so advanced they could slipspace planets around stars or build planets literally around stars (like a shell ie, in halo wars. Maybe they progressed technologicaly because they could work towards a common goal as a collective intelligent species. Something that goes against human nature, and something we could never achieve. Yes i am aware the forerunner did inherit some of their technology from the precursers. But nevertheless they had a very respectable nature, they believed all life should be able to evolve naturally and used thier technology and wisdom to protect those evolving species. Anyway how many fans out there would like to see some more media released by 343 industries regarding the forerunners?


I Am sorry people but i clicked this thread 3 times and this just bothers me to no ends.

It is stated by the forerunners that they were the most advanced life in the galaxy just like any country would say today. Even then they got that supremacy by not letting any other life get advanced unless they already were (prophets,humans). In which the Humans were just as advanced as the forerunner, but of course they wouldn't admit that.


Ha, Respect and Protect? the forerunners were angry that humanity was on the same level as them and de-evolved them the first chance they got. not only that after they found out they were WRONG they still kept humanity down because they were full of such arrogance and pride.


True,but the Humans were the first ones to attack Forerunner worlds,because they were too lazy to ask help from the forerunners to fight the flood.Oh well,desperation took over them,understandable if you fight the flood.


The forerunners have over 3 million worlds, i don't see the harm of giving the humans a few systems because if they were truly noble they would have done that. Plus they never even questioned why the humans randomly attacked until then.


Humans attacked the Forerunners with violence.All the Forerunners saw were agressive Humans attacking innocent worlds.

Then there is also the hatred between the two,as the Humans said they were the rightfull mantle holders,Forerunners are angry but left them alone till humans start killing off entire species on worlds within Forerunner territory.


You are over exaggerating greatly. When the humans started running from the flood they didn't outright kill everything. Didact specifically states how they would relocate the native species from the planet in order to take it.

Didact himself says that they human attacks weren't out of sheer violence but desperation. As the flood moved in the humans moved out which pushed them into forerunner space which they normally never ever came close to.
This still doesn't change the fact that the forerunners just blindly de-evolved them the first chance they got. You would think that somebody that stayed away from you for decades and then show up at your doorstep must have a reason for doing so.

They could have gave them new system and protected them like they claimed to do with this arbitrary "mantle". they saw humans as competitors and eliminated them the first chance they got which got them in the end.

Karma's a -blam!-

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Posted by: Vermachtnis117
100,000 years ago the forerunner where the most technologicaly advanced race in the milky way galaxy. They believed all species should be protected and evolve naturally. Their technology was so advanced they could slipspace planets around stars or build planets literally around stars (like a shell ie, in halo wars. Maybe they progressed technologicaly because they could work towards a common goal as a collective intelligent species. Something that goes against human nature, and something we could never achieve. Yes i am aware the forerunner did inherit some of their technology from the precursers. But nevertheless they had a very respectable nature, they believed all life should be able to evolve naturally and used thier technology and wisdom to protect those evolving species. Anyway how many fans out there would like to see some more media released by 343 industries regarding the forerunners?[/quote]

I Am sorry people but i clicked this thread 3 times and this just bothers me to no ends.

It is stated by the forerunners that they were the most advanced life in the galaxy just like any country would say today. Even then they got that supremacy by not letting any other life get advanced unless they already were (prophets,humans). In which the Humans were just as advanced as the forerunner, but of course they wouldn't admit that.


Ha, Respect and Protect? the forerunners were angry that humanity was on the same level as them and de-evolved them the first chance they got. not only that after they found out they were WRONG they still kept humanity down because they were full of such arrogance and pride. [/quote]

True,but the Humans were the first ones to attack Forerunner worlds,because they were too lazy to ask help from the forerunners to fight the flood.Oh well,desperation took over them,understandable if you fight the flood.[/quote]

The forerunners have over 3 million worlds, i don't see the harm of giving the humans a few systems because if they were truly noble they would have done that. Plus they never even questioned why the humans randomly attacked until then.[/quote]

Humans attacked the Forerunners with violence.All the Forerunners saw were agressive Humans attacking innocent worlds.

Then there is also the hatred between the two,as the Humans said they were the rightfull mantle holders,Forerunners are angry but left them alone till humans start killing off entire species on worlds within Forerunner territory.[/quote]

You are over exaggerating greatly. When the humans started running from the flood they didn't outright kill everything. Didact specifically states how they would relocate the native species from the planet in order to take it.

Didact himself says that they human attacks weren't out of sheer violence but desperation. As the flood moved in the humans moved out which pushed them into forerunner space which they normally never ever came close to.
This still doesn't change the fact that the forerunners just blindly de-evolved them the first chance they got. You would think that somebody that stayed away from you for decades and then show up at your doorstep must have a reason for doing so.

They could have gave them new system and protected them like they claimed to do with this arbitrary "mantle". they saw humans as competitors and eliminated them the first chance they got which got them in the end.

Karma's a -blam!-


Oh well,you are right that they shouldn't have de evolved them.

But i'm happy they did,or else we wouldn't have the chief and the rest :)

  • 04.21.2011 6:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: Vermachtnis117
Something that goes against human nature, and something we could never achieve.

*sigh*

And why is this?

As for the second bit:The Forerunners broke out in civil war over the Halo Array. Faber and his ilk were not representative of the majority of the Forerunners either... They were certainly not undivided.

Posted by: Vermachtnis117
But nevertheless they had a very respectable nature,

They still succumbed to pettiness. Bornstellar has obviously been moulded by his peers and the society he lives in, which indicates that the Forerunner too were subject to pettiness. Pettiness in the way that they viewed all less advanced than them, particularly Humanity, to be scum.

Posted by: Vermachtnis117
they believed all life should be able to evolve naturally

To paraphrase the terminals, they "Stripped their protectorates of all capacity to defend themselves". Which means demilitarising them. In cases where the species refused to bow down, we could probably expect to see full blown genocide like what happened to Humanity and the Prophets.

That is not allowing natural advancement. That is impeding it.

Posted by: Vermachtnis117
and used thier technology and wisdom to protect those evolving species.

See above. ^

Also, despite knowing fine well that Humanity was pushed to the edge by the Flood, they finished the job. Then, they proceeded to keep them in that state indefinitely, despite knowing what actually happened. To say that this is pettiness would be an understatement. They obviously had an ulterior motive. At the first opportunity they had, they pummelled their only competition upon dubious reasoning. Then after finding out about the truth, they concluded that they would continue with their abhorrent plan rather than stop it.

I get the impression that Humanity was the only kid in the class that the Forerunner could not bully outright, but when chance came they did not hesitate to backstab. The fact that Humanity upheld the Mantle through sacrifice (And not through Bornstellar's philosophy of "Abandon the Mantle for our very way of life is under threat") suggests that Humanity's claim to the Mantle was not, as the Forerunners liked to delude themselves into believing, errant. The Forerunner's whole devotion to the Mantle was through a religious type myth that the Precursors had passed it onto them, and therefore probably could not be verified. (They could not even remember wiping out the Precursor) Half of the war was based upon blind faith then, with the other half, I suspect, based on an ulterior motive to be the supreme power in the galaxy.

[Edited on 04.21.2011 10:06 AM PDT]

  • 04.21.2011 9:55 AM PDT


Posted by: SPARTAN 1777
I would definitely like more info, but I don't really understand why your on Bungie's forums when your talking about 343.

It's seems like you might be better off on the Waypoint forums.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything like that, but it just doesn't make too much sense to me!

waypoint forums are down

  • 04.21.2011 12:33 PM PDT

I've fought mudcrabs more fierce than you!

Thanks for the insight, i obviously need to purchase a copy of cryptum. The information i had of the forerunners was based on the games, halo legends and the halo encyclopedia. All of which didn't really explain a great deal. The encyclopedia only has a couple of pages on the forerunner's!

  • 04.21.2011 9:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: SPARTAN 1777
I would definitely like more info, but I don't really understand why your on Bungie's forums when your talking about 343.

It's seems like you might be better off on the Waypoint forums.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything like that, but it just doesn't make too much sense to me!

waypoint forums are down

No...

  • 04.21.2011 9:46 PM PDT
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343 didn't create the Forerunners, Bungie did. I understand their are ex-employees from Bungie in 343, but I doubt there would be that many.

  • 04.22.2011 4:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: philipnash19
Posted by: SPARTAN 1777
I would definitely like more info, but I don't really understand why your on Bungie's forums when your talking about 343.

It's seems like you might be better off on the Waypoint forums.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything like that, but it just doesn't make too much sense to me!

waypoint forums are down

No...


I can only ever sporadically access the Waypoint forums, it keeps giving me connection and sign in errors whenever I try to access the forums.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: Spartan 100
Posted by: philipnash19
Posted by: SPARTAN 1777
I would definitely like more info, but I don't really understand why your on Bungie's forums when your talking about 343.

It's seems like you might be better off on the Waypoint forums.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything like that, but it just doesn't make too much sense to me!

waypoint forums are down

No...


I can only ever sporadically access the Waypoint forums, it keeps giving me connection and sign in errors whenever I try to access the forums.


I can get on but i don't see the point. I know this forum isn't as active as it should be but atleast we talk about stuff. The waypoint forums don't have any kind of discussions going on.

  • 04.22.2011 5:01 AM PDT

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To be fair, Anton. Ancient Humanity were no saints either.

After breaking free from Forerunner control by expanding beyond the Orion Arm, they started finding planets and what they did to them was no better than the Covenant's war on humanity.

  • 04.22.2011 5:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
To be fair, Anton. Ancient Humanity were no saints either.

After breaking free from Forerunner control by expanding beyond the Orion Arm, they started finding planets and what they did to them was no better than the Covenant's war on humanity.

Aggressive expansion was related to the Flood threat, not out of Didact's pernicious claim about purism. Regardless, it was still a shameful act to do on Humanity's part. (Another thing that seems vacuous to me. In 500 years morals have evolved greatly from people lapping up bible quotes to what we have today, yet they think that space expansion would come to that? This was obviously a very different Humanity in Cryptum.) Anyway, the Forerunner response was worse in every measure.

There is no reason that can be given that can justify genocide based upon race, ever. Unless the Forerunners could sift out every last xenophobic and oppressive element within Humanity that was responsible for the destruction of those worlds then they are in the wrong, regardless of their purpose.

The critical difference between Humanity and the Foreunner is that Humanity did its dirty work out of despiration; on the verge of extinction (Oh surprise!) due to the Flood sweeping their territory. They were not motivated by chauvinism or purism, at least not solely. The Forerunner on the other hand were motivated solely by the fact that they were Human; They were Human and therefore they had to die. The fact that the basing was irrational and perhaps an agenda makes it all the more worse.

This is just one of things that gets to me I guess, whether it is real life or not. Discrimination, genocide, xenophobia strike a nerve in me. I mean, I am not sure about you but I just find this euphamism chilling:

Human forces were eradicated and human-occupied worlds reduced, one by one...

- Pg 272, Cryptum

NB: I ain't raggin' on you. My posts just come off as adversarial now for some reason.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: anton1792

To be fair, Anton. Ancient Humanity were no saints either.

After breaking free from Forerunner control by expanding beyond the Orion Arm, they started finding planets and what they did to them was no better than the Covenant's war on humanity.


I'll say my post is an extension of Anton's.


The humans were never under forerunner control but avoided control by colonizing the edges of the galaxy (which i believe is meant to be the orion arm) while the forerunners controlled the inside.

Humanity being purist simply re-located life on a planet they wished to colonize. re-located, in nearly every sc-fi story colonies wipe out the native population while humanity simply moved them to another place in space. I find that nothing in comparative to what the covenant did.

The part about that is when Bornsteller told the Didact that the forerunners did the same thing The Didact responded by saying " Yes, but we do so to protect them" which i find highly biased.

humanities actions are justified because they only encroached on forerunner lands due to the flood (which they pushed back), other than that they avoided the forerunners.

The forerunners have no justification whatsoever.

  • 04.22.2011 10:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
Humanity being purist simply re-located life on a planet they wished to colonize. re-located, in nearly every sc-fi story colonies wipe out the native population while humanity simply moved them to another place in space. I find that nothing in comparative to what the covenant did.

But page 130 says that the Humans did annihilate those worlds it took. Unless I am forgetting about it being mentioned later in the book.

I am not saying that the Humans were just in their actions, only that Forerunner were clearly wrong. The fact of Humanity's moral high ground or lack of it does not change what the Forerunner did in my eyes.

  • 04.22.2011 10:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sierra 1993DJC
343 didn't create the Forerunners, Bungie did. I understand their are ex-employees from Bungie in 343, but I doubt there would be that many.


So what?343 got the story bible,they can do everything they want with the Forerunners,as Greg Bear did.

  • 04.22.2011 1:41 PM PDT