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Subject: Linda, not John, is the Spartan in cryo

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

I created this thread about it was Linda in the cryo tube on the Pillar of Autumn (on the level The Pillar of Autumn.)
Of course there were two other threads I created that have various rants and such.
Here
And here

Now here are some minor more supporting facts to my claim on it being Linda:

Timeline

August 30, 2552
0616 Hours - Operation: Red Flag commences.
0637 Hours - Linda is declared dead but John puts her into the NEAREST cryo tube he can find.
0647 Hours - Keyes lands on Reach and awaits for Noble Team (or what's left of it) to give him the rest of Cortana.
1652 Hours - Noble Six delivers the rest of Cortana to the Autumn. The Autumn returns to space and makes a "random" slipspace jump.

It should be noted also, that Reach coincides with several events from other books. Such as Jun taking Halsey to CASTLE Base.

Bungie has been known to put references of the books into the games. Anybody ever played Halo 3? Then you know what I'm talking about.

Now according to Bungie, Halo: Reach's campaign matches perfectly with The Fall of Reach. I don't have a link to it, but I got heard that from Halo: Reach's campaign commentary on Halo Waypoint.

If I'm not mistaken, the PoA was on Reach before for repairs and additions to it before Aug. 30. Now it could be possible that a cryo tube was being moved to a different location on the ship and was placed in the hanger.


Now my debate grabbed the attention from RoosterTeeth and GameInformer (I'm glad of that.)

What do you guys think?

BTW Please don't act like a bunch of 13 year olds like the ones from my first thread on this.

[Edited on 04.22.2011 9:09 AM PDT]

  • 04.21.2011 5:29 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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It's not meant to be canonical, but it's meant to represent John.

  • 04.21.2011 5:30 PM PDT

hm... prety good job conecting all this stuf

  • 04.21.2011 5:32 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

I understand that but the way this situation is, it could be Linda. That's why even though it might be intended to be the Chief, evidence supports it to be Linda.
Somebody suggested that for the fans who know the storyline it's Linda, and for people who only played the games it's John.

  • 04.21.2011 5:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I understand that but the way this situation is, it could be Linda. That's why even though it might be intended to be the Chief, evidence supports it to be Linda.
Somebody suggested that for the fans who know the storyline it's Linda, and for people who only played the games it's John.

Maybe both? *plays the twilight zone theme song* You have now entered the Twilight zone (and no, not that -blam!- vampire movie)

  • 04.21.2011 5:37 PM PDT

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A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.

It's Chief. This is an easter egg. Not a mystery.

  • 04.21.2011 5:37 PM PDT

Posted by: matman25402
It's Chief. This is an easter egg. Not a mystery.

agree

  • 04.21.2011 5:38 PM PDT

Technically it shouldn't exist, as the POA hadn't launched it's mission by the time Noble-6 delivered Cortana, which is what they were waiting for to start.

The way Halo: Reach's campaign is timed, Noble delivers the fragment, the POA leaves on it's mission, then recieves the distress signal calling all ships back to Reach, where it is heavily damaged, the Spartan-IIs go planetside and the Chief is deployed to the orbital station.

The whole POA segment felt poorly thought out to me. There is no way you could safely land something that big on a planet, let alone get it back into space. It probably wouldn't even be structually capable of supporting it's own weight.

[Edited on 04.21.2011 5:44 PM PDT]

  • 04.21.2011 5:40 PM PDT


Posted by: AnubissWarior
Posted by: matman25402
It's Chief. This is an easter egg. Not a mystery.

agree


And easter eggs = non-canon.

Besides, what ship commander in their right mind would place a freaking lone cryo tube in the middle of a busy hanger?

Also, Cannot be linda. Why? Armor is completely undamaged.

  • 04.21.2011 5:45 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

Read the threads in my OP. I have an explanation for the armor damage.
Also Read the timeline I just stated. That timeline is a combo from reach's campaign and The Fall of Reach book.
So that means that the Pillar of Autumn had to land back on the planet, which it did. Also we've seen ships near the surface. Play Halo 3, there's plenty of times where the Frigates are either close to the ground or are touching the ground.

[Edited on 04.21.2011 5:55 PM PDT]

  • 04.21.2011 5:54 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

The bottom line is this:

Easter eggs = non-canon, compare this to Halo CE's Legendary Ending where Johnson hugs an Elite. It didn't happen, Bungie just put this in Reach as a throwback to fans.

Oh, and I recall Bungie confiming that it is indeed John in the cryo-tube.

  • 04.21.2011 6:01 PM PDT

First of all, it's never properly explained how the frigates are able to hover, as humanity lacks anti-gravity technology, and second there's a huge difference between a frigate and a kilometer-long cruiser. There's a reason they are built in space.

  • 04.21.2011 6:01 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

It's an Easter Egg. It holds no bearing canonically.

  • 04.21.2011 6:16 PM PDT

Didn't bungie outright say in some interview with a magazine that it was John?

Oh, Joshue, can you explain the armor thing here? I don't feel like digging through three topics to find it. Same with why the hell they'd have a cryotube sitting in the middle of a hanger. They would have to move it back into the cryobay and from what I've seen it's not shaped to be nice to ship hallways and doors. The hanger bay wouldn't have the ejection tubes that cryobays have in case of emergency.

  • 04.21.2011 6:18 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

what about the armor?

Ok they PoA is in slipspace for 2 weeks.
You're in slipspace for a unknown amount of time, what do you do? Move cryotubes, put more Spartans into cryo.

[Edited on 04.21.2011 6:35 PM PDT]

  • 04.21.2011 6:32 PM PDT


Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
what about the armor?

Ok they PoA is in slipspace for 2 weeks.
You're in slipspace for a unknown amount of time, what do you do? Move cryotubes, put more Spartans into cryo.


The fact Linda went into cryo with heavily damaged armor...

Also, it's bad use of time in the first place to have people moving cryo tubes during slipspace instead of doing repairs to critical systems.

There is NO history of them having cryotubes outside of the cryobays. Why would they suddenly do it here?

Again, it's an easter egg, it's not canon.

  • 04.21.2011 6:41 PM PDT


Posted by: Omanisat
Technically it shouldn't exist, as the POA hadn't launched it's mission by the time Noble-6 delivered Cortana, which is what they were waiting for to start.

The way Halo: Reach's campaign is timed, Noble delivers the fragment, the POA leaves on it's mission, then recieves the distress signal calling all ships back to Reach, where it is heavily damaged, the Spartan-IIs go planetside and the Chief is deployed to the orbital station.

The whole POA segment felt poorly thought out to me. There is no way you could safely land something that big on a planet, let alone get it back into space. It probably wouldn't even be structually capable of supporting it's own weight.


Actually all the events of the tail end of TFoR would have already happened the way Reach is timed. The events of TFoR take place in the early morning on the 30th, around 6:00 or 6:30 AM, and then the last proper mission in Reach, the Pillar of Autumn, takes place at around 4:30 or so PM on the 30th. So all the stuff in space would have already happened.

I don't see any real problem with the PoA landing, it landed safely enough on Alpha Halo with a very minor amount of crew, and for the take off on Reach it had those huge tug-boat inspired thruster packs to lift itself off the ground.

[Edited on 04.21.2011 6:55 PM PDT]

  • 04.21.2011 6:55 PM PDT


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Posted by: Omanisat
Technically it shouldn't exist, as the POA hadn't launched it's mission by the time Noble-6 delivered Cortana, which is what they were waiting for to start.

The way Halo: Reach's campaign is timed, Noble delivers the fragment, the POA leaves on it's mission, then recieves the distress signal calling all ships back to Reach, where it is heavily damaged, the Spartan-IIs go planetside and the Chief is deployed to the orbital station.

The whole POA segment felt poorly thought out to me. There is no way you could safely land something that big on a planet, let alone get it back into space. It probably wouldn't even be structually capable of supporting it's own weight.


Actually all the events of the tail end of TFoR would have already happened the way Reach is timed. The events of TFoR take place in the early morning on the 30th, around 6:00 or 6:30 AM, and then the last proper mission in Reach, the Pillar of Autumn, takes place at around 4:30 or so PM on the 30th. So all the stuff in space would have already happened.

I don't see any real problem with the PoA landing, it landed safely enough on Alpha Halo with a very minor amount of crew, and for the take off on Reach it had those huge tug-boat inspired thruster packs to lift itself off the ground.


Yeah, it crashed with very little guideance and was in very good shape considering.

  • 04.21.2011 6:59 PM PDT

By good shape I assume you mean it was still in one piece and still reasonably recognisable. There were no crew still on board when it landed, for the simple reason that when it hit the ring and decelerated it would have left a series of marinara-coloured stains on all the forward bulkheads. It was stated in the book that the POA would never fly again.

The thruster packs are a joke; besides adding more weight to something that's already incredibly heavy, they could never store enough fuel to get the POA off the ground.

And while we're at it, at what point did the POA grow wings? Once the thruster packs dropped loose the POA should have fallen back to the surface like a beached whale.

And this is all ignoring the fact that the POA would literally sag and distort under it's own weight.

  • 04.21.2011 7:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: Omanisat
By good shape I assume you mean it was still in one piece and still reasonably recognisable. There were no crew still on board when it landed, for the simple reason that when it hit the ring and decelerated it would have left a series of marinara-coloured stains on all the forward bulkheads. It was stated in the book that the POA would never fly again.

The thruster packs are a joke; besides adding more weight to something that's already incredibly heavy, they could never store enough fuel to get the POA off the ground.

And while we're at it, at what point did the POA grow wings? Once the thruster packs dropped loose the POA should have fallen back to the surface like a beached whale.

And this is all ignoring the fact that the POA would literally sag and distort under it's own weight.


Hydralic reinforced braces

  • 04.21.2011 7:17 PM PDT

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I personally don't care, because Halo: Reach is not Canon. But, it could be who ever you want it to be.

  • 04.21.2011 7:19 PM PDT

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Bungie officially said that the cryotube was an easter egg and that the Chief was the one inside. End of story. There is no debate to be had on this...

  • 04.21.2011 7:26 PM PDT

Alright, I've done a little math: the POA is 1170 meters long, 352 meters wide and 414 meters tall. If we momentarily assume that the POA is a perfect rectangular prisim, we get a shape with a volume of 170,986,140 cubic meters. Before you say it, I know the POA is not a perfect shape; and it's not completely solid. So therefore I'll knock off 75& of this value, leaving us with 42,746,535 cubic meters of volume.

A block of titanium measuring 1 meter square weighs 4507 kilograms. Therefore the POA weighs roughly 192,658,633,245 kilograms.

[Edited on 04.21.2011 7:30 PM PDT]

  • 04.21.2011 7:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: Omanisat
Alright, I've done a little math: the POA is 1170 meters long, 352 meters wide and 414 meters tall. If we momentarily assume that the POA is a perfect rectangular prisim, we get a shae with a volume of 170,986,140 cubic meters. Before you say it, I know the POA is not a perfect shape; and it's not completely solid. So there fore I'll knock off 75& of this value, leaving us with 42,746,535 cubic meters of volume.

A block of titanium has a density of 4507 kg/m3. Therefore the POA weighs roughly 192,658,633,245 kilograms.

It has a honey comb designed interior that is reinforced with hydralics that allows the ship to survive in battles a lot longer than other ships. And crash on a surface without becoming a 192,658,633,245 kilogram pancake if landed right

  • 04.21.2011 7:31 PM PDT

There is no material you can make hydralic jacks and hoses out of that could survive the pressure spikes caused by slamming 192,658,633,245 kilograms of mass into a solid object without blowing. The hydralic systems were designed to help the POA survive battle damage, affecting limited areas of the ship. To survive its own weight would require full power to every part of the system at the same time, an enormous drain on resources.

[Edited on 04.21.2011 7:38 PM PDT]

  • 04.21.2011 7:37 PM PDT

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