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Subject: Slipspace isn't physically and technically possible

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i have a question if no one minds me asking when going through slip space(i understand we don't have the tech but using the theories we have now)would one be able to just view lights going around the ship like in say mass effect or would you need protection for the windows on the ship assuming the ships have windows?

  • 04.21.2011 8:41 PM PDT

One of the books states that there is nothing to see in the visible spectrum once inside slipspace. If there were two objects within visible range of eachother you could see them, but otherwise there is nothing to see.

I have a question: once the ship has transitioned into slipspace, is the Slipspace drive still active, or is it only required to "open and close" the door so to speak.

  • 04.21.2011 8:48 PM PDT

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Shaw-Fujikawa translight engines are dangerous while in slipspace so one could assume they're active.

  • 04.21.2011 8:54 PM PDT

Uhm, what? Travelling close to the speed of light dilates time to infinity...
Essentially, the opposite of what you described. You age at a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the norm, not at an exponentially increased rate.

/Steven Hawking

  • 04.21.2011 9:47 PM PDT


Posted by: ii XisTaNcE x
consider this....you have 2 cars that drive 1 mile

1st car goes 30mph
2nd car goes 100mph

1st car gets to a mile in about 2 min
2nd car gets there in about 25 sec

you have 2 space ships that go 3 light years

1st ship goes 6,000mph
2nd ship goes 40,000mph

1st ship gets to 3 LY in about 9 years
2nd ship gets to 3 LY in about 5 years

you are both traveling the same distance but in a different amount of time. So yes..you are bending time. your point was proved wrong

you are pretty much watching yourself getting older as you go faster..you speed up time and life itself


Oh, you're just spouting 'tard speak.
Velocity=/=time distortion.
Velocity influences the relationship between time and distance, in a sense, but is NOT the relationship itself.

You physics are invalid, GTFO.

  • 04.21.2011 9:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: ii XisTaNcE x
consider this....you have 2 cars that drive 1 mile

1st car goes 30mph
2nd car goes 100mph

1st car gets to a mile in about 2 min
2nd car gets there in about 25 sec

you have 2 space ships that go 3 light years

1st ship goes 6,000mph
2nd ship goes 40,000mph

1st ship gets to 3 LY in about 9 years
2nd ship gets to 3 LY in about 5 years

you are both traveling the same distance but in a different amount of time. So yes..you are bending time. your point was proved wrong

you are pretty much watching yourself getting older as you go faster..you speed up time and life itself


Oh, you're just spouting 'tard speak.
Velocity=/=time distortion.
Velocity influences the relationship between time and distance, in a sense, but is NOT the relationship itself.

You physics are invalid, GTFO.


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  • 04.21.2011 10:03 PM PDT
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Sounds like this OP doesn't understand the physics.

And btw, religious beliefs/discussions aren't ALLOWED in this forum.

Slip-space is not time traveling, it's basically two dimension folded together, allowing this ship to cover larger distance in relatively a short period of time.

But, slip-space would be not possible due to Einstein's theory of relativity, but it isn't confirmed yet. So...

And you said this traveling under slip-space making you age faster is a fact. LOL! You're wrong because we haven't proved it, duh! You cannot declare it as "fact" without scientific evidence. Religion does not count because it's irrelevant to science.

[Edited on 04.21.2011 10:18 PM PDT]

  • 04.21.2011 10:11 PM PDT

pretty much everything u said there is wrong. The fast u go, the fast time AROUND u goes, meaning if u travel almost at the speed of light (just cause u can actually travel at the speed of light) means that while it may only take u 10 seconds to go really far and u only become 10 secs older, everywhere else becomes like 100 years older, so essentially u travel forward in time by preserving urself against time. I'm athiest so JEsus ain't coming back, and ur final point is also wrong as u can't get colder than -273 or -274 degrees celcius.

So basically the idea of getting from one place to another really quick doesn't work, because while it's quick for you (e.g. 10 seconds) it's like 100 years for them. But slip-space i believe is supposed to be like making a worm-hole, where u travel through a short distance hole but go far because basically it causes the universe to fold back on part of itself, allowing u to skip huge distances, without having to go very fast to do it in such a short time.

Now i haven't studied this stuff or slip space so i could be wrong about the slip-space stuff, (basically what i said is just my view on it) but i know i'm right for the temperature and time slowing as u get faster.

  • 04.21.2011 10:23 PM PDT
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  • 04.21.2011 10:28 PM PDT

One of my favourite quotes...

"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing." - Muhammad Ali


Back on topic, slipspace travel isn't the same as time travel. In other words if you are in slipspace for two hours, you only get two hours older, you dont grow older because of how far you have travelled.

The distance from the sun thing I can't really see being a problem, space is sitting at -273 degrees C (0 degrees K) if your closer to the sun where you can pick up the suns radiation it will be about -270..... not much difference..

As for the 'Lord'stuff..... that just doesnt make much sense to me sorry.

  • 04.22.2011 12:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: Omanisat
One of the books states that there is nothing to see in the visible spectrum once inside slipspace. If there were two objects within visible range of eachother you could see them, but otherwise there is nothing to see.

I have a question: once the ship has transitioned into slipspace, is the Slipspace drive still active, or is it only required to "open and close" the door so to speak.

I can answer this.
A slipspace drive remains active, otherwise the ship is forced out if slipspace and into our space with enough force to cause it to disintegrate into sub-atomic particles. Before I start ranting, I will give you the just of it. The slipspace drive is necessary for both entering and exiting splipspace as well as maintaining a stable position in the slipspace dimension. It should also be noted that to move in slipspace still requires the use of the ships standard engines, working in tandem with the slipspace drive.

[Edited on 04.22.2011 1:12 AM PDT]

  • 04.22.2011 1:11 AM PDT

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2.) The theory isn't that that time slow and age you faster. It is that time slows down for you so you would age slower.


Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
Essentially, the opposite of what you described. You age at a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the norm, not at an exponentially increased rate.

/Steven Hawking


I'm so glad you two brought that up.

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
No, it isn't, not really. Think of a person drawn in a two dimensional plane, a stick person on a long piece of paper. It would take the stickman a long time to travel all of the way to the other side of the paper. It would be much faster to roll/fold the paper so that he is right next to his destination. If he can enter the third dimension he will need to travel a much shorter distance.


And this. That's what slip-space does.

  • 04.22.2011 1:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: ii XisTaNcE x
yes...pretty much. its a time warp

No, it isn't, not really. Think of a person drawn in a two dimensional plane, a stick person on a long piece of paper. It would take the stickman a long time to travel all of the way to the other side of the paper. It would be much faster to roll/fold the paper so that he is right next to his destination. If he can enter the third dimension he will need to travel a much shorter distance.

Slipspace functions in a similar manner. It basically folds space and travels through another dimension allowing you to travel great distances in much shorter periods of time.

And as someone else said, please leave religion out of a a scientific discussion. Not only is it against the rules, but it also causes confusion and detracts from the real issue at hand, slipspace.


someone saw "Event Horizon"..eh??

  • 04.22.2011 1:34 AM PDT

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  • 04.22.2011 1:40 AM PDT


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  • 04.22.2011 1:57 AM PDT

It is, have you ever eared of worm holes?
The are (normally small) holes in the space-time, these happen naturally in the universe and theoretically if enlarged (by the slipspace drive) they can be used to travel trough space very quickly.
Normal physics laws don't apply to the worm holes.

  • 04.22.2011 3:13 AM PDT

The OP is just a religious ignorant.

  • 04.22.2011 3:15 AM PDT
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I'm gonna finish it. Just like Jigga did to the pyramid.

let me explain the concept of slip-space

it's like an invisble world overlaping our own. The slip-space drive opens up a rift into that overlaping world and the ships thrusters propel you through it. Slip-space allows the user to go faster then the normal world allows.
And as for time travel. The forerunners created places in slip-space where they could stay for an infinite ammount of time and then come back to a different time in their original dimension. - if you can understand that

  • 04.22.2011 3:28 AM PDT
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I'm gonna finish it. Just like Jigga did to the pyramid.

slip space

  • 04.22.2011 3:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: ii XisTaNcE x
so...I know i'm not suppose to talk about religion but this will make sense when I get done.

Nope, seems not.

So in the Christian Bible it says that the rapture is just around the corner and with the world like it is today...i'd say it isnt far from happening.

I must have missed where God posted the E.T.A......
Why must people always think they are living in "the End Times!" Seriously.

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anywho...If you are traveling at the speed of light, you are practically "time traveling". Time is a state that is unknown and cant be changed by physical means.

[Vader] I find your lack of physics, disturbing...[/Vader]
The only things that can travel at the speed of light are Photons, everything else is too massy. Ships in Slipspace do not go at the speed of light in normal space, they use a 'shortcut' to get around the lightspeed barrier.
Time is an expression of a dimension of Spacetime, it can be affected by acceleration or relative velocity between an object and a hypothetical observer. This acceleration includes gravity, (you may have heard of it, makes your feet stick to the floor) and is the reason why time dilation would occur around for example a black hole.
So it absolutely can be affected by physical means.

So in other words when you "slip-space" you would be at least 1,000 years old in about an hour and about 70 in 3 sec according to science.

*searching for evidence*
*evidence not found*
Likelyhood of subject having misunderstood general relativity = 100%

Time does not work like that. You experience time dilation as you go faster, so time for you slows down relative to an outside observer. In your own frame of reference time seems to progress as normal.


NOW...if the UNSC is hyper-jumping from planet to planet, then while you are looking at each other, you are gradually seeing yourself getting older...your hair starts to grow, your eyes get wrinkly, your height starts to go up, and then back down...you pretty much morph into a 70-year-old in 3-4sec...thats scary, like something you'd see in a horror movie.

A horror movie is the only place you *will* see that, reality objects to such fundamental shafting of basic biology and physics.


Now back to the Christian belief....while you are on that space ship and you passed about 80-100 years of time in about 2min "standard" then would'nt it be speeding up the time that the Lord comes?


#1: Why would this affect slipspace travel?
#2: Why would your traveling through slipspace COMPEL GOD to do something?!?

So pretty much while you are going through space you hear the trumpets sound, and the Lord calls you home in about 7 sec worth time...its kinda unbelievable if you think about it...but its very very true...think about it.

"its kinda unbelievable if you think about it"
Indeed, unbelievable. You've finally said something correct. 10 points, bravo!

and to add on to it..you are getting so far away from the sun he space air would probably be about -10,000 degrees and would shut down the thrusters with no thought at all...you would freeze to death

Space air, while I can see that playing computer games might give you that impression *glares at long night of solace* space is a VACCUUM and rather lacking in air, space-y or otherwise.

Re temperature..... yeah... there is a limit to how cold you can get(0 Kelvin), and it's not going to break a spacecraft designed to operate in space, dealing with waste heat is much more of an issue than the 'temperature' of space.

  • 04.22.2011 4:33 AM PDT

Slipspace is NOT a faster then light technology, its a wormhole. If you take a piece of paper, imagine its the galaxy, and pretend a little grain of sand is your ship, getting from one end to the other naturally will take a long time.

If you bend the paper, you cut the distance in half.

A wormhole is not a Faster then light technology, its a portal, more or less, a gatway or shortcut across the universe. You're still traveling at the same speed as always.

  • 04.22.2011 5:08 AM PDT
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However it is hypothetically possible.

  • 04.22.2011 5:11 AM PDT


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Posted by: ii XisTaNcE x
so...I know i'm not suppose to talk about religion but this will make sense when I get done.

Nope, seems not.

So in the Christian Bible it says that the rapture is just around the corner and with the world like it is today...i'd say it isnt far from happening.

I must have missed where God posted the E.T.A......
Why must people always think they are living in "the End Times!" Seriously.

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anywho...If you are traveling at the speed of light, you are practically "time traveling". Time is a state that is unknown and cant be changed by physical means.

[Vader] I find your lack of physics, disturbing...[/Vader]
The only things that can travel at the speed of light are Photons, everything else is too massy. Ships in Slipspace do not go at the speed of light in normal space, they use a 'shortcut' to get around the lightspeed barrier.
Time is an expression of a dimension of Spacetime, it can be affected by acceleration or relative velocity between an object and a hypothetical observer. This acceleration includes gravity, (you may have heard of it, makes your feet stick to the floor) and is the reason why time dilation would occur around for example a black hole.
So it absolutely can be affected by physical means.

So in other words when you "slip-space" you would be at least 1,000 years old in about an hour and about 70 in 3 sec according to science.

*searching for evidence*
*evidence not found*
Likelyhood of subject having misunderstood general relativity = 100%

Time does not work like that. You experience time dilation as you go faster, so time for you slows down relative to an outside observer. In your own frame of reference time seems to progress as normal.


NOW...if the UNSC is hyper-jumping from planet to planet, then while you are looking at each other, you are gradually seeing yourself getting older...your hair starts to grow, your eyes get wrinkly, your height starts to go up, and then back down...you pretty much morph into a 70-year-old in 3-4sec...thats scary, like something you'd see in a horror movie.

A horror movie is the only place you *will* see that, reality objects to such fundamental shafting of basic biology and physics.


Now back to the Christian belief....while you are on that space ship and you passed about 80-100 years of time in about 2min "standard" then would'nt it be speeding up the time that the Lord comes?


#1: Why would this affect slipspace travel?
#2: Why would your traveling through slipspace COMPEL GOD to do something?!?

So pretty much while you are going through space you hear the trumpets sound, and the Lord calls you home in about 7 sec worth time...its kinda unbelievable if you think about it...but its very very true...think about it.

"its kinda unbelievable if you think about it"
Indeed, unbelievable. You've finally said something correct. 10 points, bravo!

and to add on to it..you are getting so far away from the sun he space air would probably be about -10,000 degrees and would shut down the thrusters with no thought at all...you would freeze to death

Space air, while I can see that playing computer games might give you that impression *glares at long night of solace* space is a VACCUUM and rather lacking in air, space-y or otherwise.

Re temperature..... yeah... there is a limit to how cold you can get(0 Kelvin), and it's not going to break a spacecraft designed to operate in space, dealing with waste heat is much more of an issue than the 'temperature' of space.


The guys in the Long Night of Solace were all wearing vaccum suits, and the sound effects were (obviously) there for just that: effects.

Still though, either this guy's an idiot, or a VERY bad troll.

  • 04.22.2011 5:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Slipspace is NOT a faster then light technology, its a wormhole. If you take a piece of paper, imagine its the galaxy, and pretend a little grain of sand is your ship, getting from one end to the other naturally will take a long time.

If you bend the paper, you cut the distance in half.

A wormhole is not a Faster then light technology, its a portal, more or less, a gatway or shortcut across the universe. You're still traveling at the same speed as always.

It's not technically a portal either. Slipspace is a 11 dimensional place where laws of normal physics don't apply. That's the reason you can travel faster than light in there. It's existence is unknown and it's a 50/50 chance that it exists or doesn't exist.

  • 04.22.2011 5:19 AM PDT

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I know what you are talking about. This was a show on discovery channel about faster than light travel? I think you misinterpreted it.

In the book/game canon, slip-space is ripping apart atoms and creating miniature black holes, the slipspace drive then widens then black holes (Black holes maybe? Not sure) enough to fit a ship through. There some underlying theory i don't know which one. To which i think explains that atoms are linked, and this link is used to travel great distances in a very small time relative to that.

From current science all i know is that the inner workings of slipspace are theoretically possible. They just don't have the technology to open a black hole in an atom wide enough to fit a spacecraft through. Its just too advanced, we have yet to fully master space travel around our own planet.

All i know is that something similar to slipspace is being theorized for 'faster than light travel'. So there is hope!

  • 04.22.2011 5:20 AM PDT

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