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Subject: Master Chief, the Best Spartan?

Ok, so recently in my explorings of the Universe forum I've found a couple threads with a lot of "hate" for Master Chief and people saying he is completely and totally average. And while I saw some explanations for why people made that claim, I thought it'd be better though to create a thread strictly about Master Chief and his abilities so I could hear in more detail why people are making such claims.

My opinion on the matter is that Master Chief is the best out of the Spartans, and no I am not some delusional and raving Master Chief fangirl, I am perfectly willing to hear insult to the character or people saying "he is not the best", however I would like to know why you think other people should think he is not the best. And yes, I think the other Spartans are good, and they are plenty bad ass, however I have seen nothing at all in the various stories to suggest that there is anyone better than the Chief.

I'll go more in depth concerning my opinion on the matter once I get some responses, it's easier for me to explain my thoughts when I have someone else's post to "counter" and build off of. So yeah, whichever side of the issue you fall on, whether Chief is best or not, tell me your thoughts on the matter.

  • 04.23.2011 9:20 PM PDT

Marty the Elder

You are not the strongest,smartest,nor the bravest,but you are the luckiest and in my opinion you are the best.


Dr.Halsey


Dr.Halsey said that.

  • 04.23.2011 9:25 PM PDT

Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.

[Edited on 04.23.2011 9:32 PM PDT]

  • 04.23.2011 9:29 PM PDT

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Linda is the best sniper, Kelly is the best runner, but John is the best Spartan. His achievements alone make him the greatest, destroying Halo, killing a prophet and defeating the flood. This was helped by luck, and Cortana, but even without her he stood out among his peers. He became the leader of the Spartans, beat up four ODSTs at the age of 14.

After John starts working with Cortana he is without a doubt the greatest Spartan. He survived Ackerson's trap, and basically saved humanity throughout the trilogy.

  • 04.23.2011 9:33 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


Chief was a leader, and lucky. To me, his luck does not make him the best.

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Linda is the best sniper, Kelly is the best runner, but John is the best Spartan. His achievements alone make him the greatest, destroying Halo, killing a prophet and defeating the flood. This was helped by luck, and Cortana, but even without her he stood out among his peers. He became the leader of the Spartans, beat up four ODSTs at the age of 14.

After John starts working with Cortana he is without a doubt the greatest Spartan. He survived Ackerson's trap, and basically saved humanity throughout the trilogy.


Ugh... I'm sorry mate, but the ODST example doesn't count. He didn't know his strength, and the ODST's thought he was just a random teen who they could easily beat up.

Though he, he can kinda take credit for destroying halo, and he can take credit for killing a prophet, simply because Truth didn't allow reinforcements to arrive. He didn't destroy the Covenant, Thel did. He didn't defeat the flood, Cortana did.

His actions wouldn't have happened without Cortana. If Cortana wasn't there he'd just be a lucky team leader. He did those things with difficulty.

  • 04.23.2011 9:41 PM PDT

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


Chief was a leader, and lucky. To me, his luck does not make him the best.

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Linda is the best sniper, Kelly is the best runner, but John is the best Spartan. His achievements alone make him the greatest, destroying Halo, killing a prophet and defeating the flood. This was helped by luck, and Cortana, but even without her he stood out among his peers. He became the leader of the Spartans, beat up four ODSTs at the age of 14.

After John starts working with Cortana he is without a doubt the greatest Spartan. He survived Ackerson's trap, and basically saved humanity throughout the trilogy.


Ugh... I'm sorry mate, but the ODST example doesn't count. He didn't know his strength, and the ODST's thought he was just a random teen who they could easily beat up.

Though he, he can kinda take credit for destroying halo, and he can take credit for killing a prophet, simply because Truth didn't allow reinforcements to arrive. He didn't destroy the Covenant, Thel did. He didn't defeat the flood, Cortana did.

His actions wouldn't have happened without Cortana. If Cortana wasn't there he'd just be a lucky team leader. He did those things with difficulty.


He only destroyed the Ring with the help of Cortana. If it wasn't for her, he would have fired Halo! Honestly, without Cortana, he can be very confused. If it wasn't for her, he would have followed through with Guilty Sparks plans to fire the ring. Cortana also lead him to Regret. John didn't do it alone. He did it with the help of Cortana. The only impressive feats he has done alone is surviving Flood infested High Charity.

  • 04.23.2011 9:49 PM PDT


Posted by: Dustin 6047
Technically according to Dr. Halsey he was average among the Spartans, but in one of the Reach trailers, it is implied that he, along with 6, are the only Spartans with the rating: Hyper Leathal, if I'm spelling it right.


It is said that Noble 6 is hyper-lethal, along with one other. It makes no reference of any sort as to who that person is. Considering John's opinion on Spartans, it would likely be Fred. He came in second place in every competition and skill test, and John believes he coulld have come in first but just didn't like the attention. Him, or someone new they will invent.

  • 04.23.2011 10:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Linda is the best sniper, Kelly is the best runner, but John is the best Spartan. His achievements alone make him the greatest, destroying Halo, killing a prophet and defeating the flood. This was helped by luck, and Cortana, but even without her he stood out among his peers. He became the leader of the Spartans, beat up four ODSTs at the age of 14.

After John starts working with Cortana he is without a doubt the greatest Spartan. He survived Ackerson's trap, and basically saved humanity throughout the trilogy.


Ugh... I'm sorry mate, but the ODST example doesn't count. He didn't know his strength, and the ODST's thought he was just a random teen who they could easily beat up.

Though he, he can kinda take credit for destroying halo, and he can take credit for killing a prophet, simply because Truth didn't allow reinforcements to arrive. He didn't destroy the Covenant, Thel did. He didn't defeat the flood, Cortana did.

His actions wouldn't have happened without Cortana. If Cortana wasn't there he'd just be a lucky team leader. He did those things with difficulty.

I'll give you the ODST example, but he did fight his way through High Charity to save Cortana, blew up High Charity, fought his way to the control room on Halo allowing Cortana to fire Halo and stop the Flood.

Destroying Halo and killing a prophet are very impressive accomplishments, things none of the other Spartans can put on their resumes (except maybe that one from the Babysitter, but it was the ODST who took the shot).

Without Cortana Master Chief never would have been able to accomplish what he did. Cortana was the tool that allowed him to become the best Spartan.

P.S. I agree that Thel was responsible for defeating the Covenant, and never claimed otherwise.

  • 04.23.2011 10:03 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


He was a great leader. One of four selected to lead the entire Spartan class in battle. The others were John, Jerome, and Fred.

Beyond that, he is nothing special in terms of ability. You might like his personality, sure.

  • 04.23.2011 10:03 PM PDT


Posted by: forthnback

Posted by: Dustin 6047
Technically according to Dr. Halsey he was average among the Spartans, but in one of the Reach trailers, it is implied that he, along with 6, are the only Spartans with the rating: Hyper Leathal, if I'm spelling it right.


It is said that Noble 6 is hyper-lethal, along with one other. It makes no reference of any sort as to who that person is. Considering John's opinion on Spartans, it would likely be Fred. He came in second place in every competition and skill test, and John believes he could have come in first but just didn't like the attention. Him, or someone new they will invent.


True, I do remember that detail about Fred.


Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Without Cortana Master Chief never would have been able to accomplish what he did. Cortana was the tool that allowed him to become the best Spartan.


Okay, with that I'll agree. The whole 'can't put that on their record' is kinda unfair IMO. I mean, who knows if they had gotten the chance to get to halo what would have happened.

But yeah, Chief on his own is a great leader and very lucky, but kinda average. With Cortana, he was much more.

[Edited on 04.23.2011 10:12 PM PDT]

  • 04.23.2011 10:08 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Chief, the best? Not even -blam!- close.

  • 04.23.2011 11:35 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Funny thing, John was also out-skilled in the leading department by Kurt, it is stated that Kurt's team often beat John's team.
John was just lucky, added to the fact that Halsey had a biased opinion for him and well, you get to be the leader of the Spartans.

[Edited on 04.23.2011 11:44 PM PDT]

  • 04.23.2011 11:43 PM PDT
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He's just a jack of all trades that happens to be very lucky, and also has a crazy AI that can work miracles. Pretty crazy combination.

  • 04.24.2011 1:00 AM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


Yes but they all went "MIA" Chief dident also i dont think they could of done what he did one reason and one reason only the writers made him the hero of the books and games

  • 04.24.2011 1:16 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Thus came a "Demon"-a hero, a soldier, a man. One

Spartan above all others; equal but for one defining

factor-one immeasurable advantage. Like his brothers

and sisters, he was trained to fight, to win, a master of the

latest weapons of war. But Spartan-117, the Master Chief,

had one intangible asset few others possessed-luck.


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The reason why Kurt defeated blue team was because of his supersense of smelling traps.Best candiates of best spartan II leadership:Kurt,John,Fred,Jerome.And in the end John became their leader,why ?Because of that mission in the forest,he lead the spartans,the others didn't.

Master Chief did far more impressive things then any spartan ever did.The Halo trilogy speaks for itself.

There is no evidence that Linda or the rest would be able to do what the chief did.First of all Linda prefers to be a sniper,if you would put her to fight the flood,she would die,because a sniper barely has any effect on the flood.As for Kelly,who says her speed will help her when a dozen of combat forms surrounds her.Oh and would any spartan jump into space with a covenant bomb?

  • 04.24.2011 2:09 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


Chief was a leader, and lucky. To me, his luck does not make him the best.

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Linda is the best sniper, Kelly is the best runner, but John is the best Spartan. His achievements alone make him the greatest, destroying Halo, killing a prophet and defeating the flood. This was helped by luck, and Cortana, but even without her he stood out among his peers. He became the leader of the Spartans, beat up four ODSTs at the age of 14.

After John starts working with Cortana he is without a doubt the greatest Spartan. He survived Ackerson's trap, and basically saved humanity throughout the trilogy.


Ugh... I'm sorry mate, but the ODST example doesn't count. He didn't know his strength, and the ODST's thought he was just a random teen who they could easily beat up.

Though he, he can kinda take credit for destroying halo, and he can take credit for killing a prophet, simply because Truth didn't allow reinforcements to arrive. He didn't destroy the Covenant, Thel did. He didn't defeat the flood, Cortana did.

His actions wouldn't have happened without Cortana. If Cortana wasn't there he'd just be a lucky team leader. He did those things with difficulty.


He only destroyed the Ring with the help of Cortana. If it wasn't for her, he would have fired Halo! Honestly, without Cortana, he can be very confused. If it wasn't for her, he would have followed through with Guilty Sparks plans to fire the ring. Cortana also lead him to Regret. John didn't do it alone. He did it with the help of Cortana. The only impressive feats he has done alone is surviving Flood infested High Charity.


And you don't give him any credits?If his skills were -blam!-,then you wouldn't have killed all the flood and covies he saw.He also saved cortana in a flood hive.Cortana gave him intel,but he was the one who blew through enemy lines like a tank.

  • 04.24.2011 2:12 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: AngrydoG
I don't understand why Micrsoft thought it was a good idea, to make the badass in the games look pathetic in the books.

It does not make sense to me.


He's not pathetic, he's just average, he's way too overrated as he is now, imagine if they made him better in the books.

  • 04.24.2011 2:21 AM PDT

While other SPARTANS could out-gun/run/CQB him, the Master Cheif is the "best" SPARTAN.

Overall he stands out from the rest, he saved humanity mostly single handedly (Battle of the Ark anyone?) and is the SPARTAN that everyone knows about and looks up to.
He showed that he is capable of unspeakable acts of violence, hence his "Hyper Lethal" rating, yet shows the most SPARTAN of all traits, compassion and holds a non-human life in higher regard than his own. (Saving Cortana much?)

Even though he is out-performed by some of his peers, he still manages to do things well outside his own abilities, partly thanks to Cortana and partly thanks to him being the "best" SPARTAN.

Stories are told of Heroes, and the story we know is that of Master Chiefs. He is the Hero, He is the Best.

  • 04.24.2011 2:22 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


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Posted by: AngrydoG
I don't understand why Micrsoft thought it was a good idea, to make the badass in the games look pathetic in the books.

It does not make sense to me.


He's not pathetic, he's just average, he's way too overrated as he is now, imagine if they made him better in the books.


True, but when you describe his feats in the games, he sounds totally awesome.

Compare them to the books, and he looks meh.

And then we get crap like this, where people say he isn't the best Spartan, even though he is the Savior of Humanity.

Last time I checked, Fred didn't save the Galaxy from freakin mad aliens.


Cortana helped him a lot on that one, if it wasn't for her, he would have activated the Halo and thus, be the destroyer of humanity or be a flood, seeing how she prevented an infection form from breaking through his suit.
Besides Fred was busy in Onyx with the rest of blue team.

  • 04.24.2011 2:29 AM PDT