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Subject: Master Chief, the Best Spartan?

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Posted by: Tramdor1

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Grey.

Are you high? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT REPRESENTS HALO


It really depends on the person honestly. To the mass of people that don't read the books or get into the lore, then yeah. It's about a lone space-marine trying to save the galaxy from certain annihilation.

But to those that get into it? Could mean anything really. Of course, to some people that get into the lore, the above it still true to them.



Just want to get one thing straight he is not a -blam!- space-marine he is part of the Navy not the Marine Corp there is no Rank of Master Chief in the Marine Corp thats all i cared about


Posted by: Joseph Staten
Master Chief is really what kicked off the creativity, in terms of how people react to him. He's a space Marine in really cool green armor.


Like I said in my post, to those who don't give a frak about the lore and just wanna kill things, he's a space-marine.

I'm sure those that follow the lore know damn well what he is.

  • 06.09.2011 4:13 AM PDT

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  • 06.09.2011 4:58 AM PDT


Posted by: kit_103

Posted by: Tramdor1

Posted by: kit_103
Posted by: Apocalypse 1313
Grey.

Are you high? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT REPRESENTS HALO


It really depends on the person honestly. To the mass of people that don't read the books or get into the lore, then yeah. It's about a lone space-marine trying to save the galaxy from certain annihilation.

But to those that get into it? Could mean anything really. Of course, to some people that get into the lore, the above it still true to them.



Just want to get one thing straight he is not a -blam!- space-marine he is part of the Navy not the Marine Corp there is no Rank of Master Chief in the Marine Corp thats all i cared about


Posted by: Joseph Staten
Master Chief is really what kicked off the creativity, in terms of how people react to him. He's a space Marine in really cool green armor.


Like I said in my post, to those who don't give a frak about the lore and just wanna kill things, he's a space-marine.

I'm sure those that follow the lore know damn well what he is.


Look at the first 7 words of this. It will clear up any doubts for those who think he is a space-marine

http://www.halopedian.com/John-117

[Edited on 06.10.2011 1:06 AM PDT]

  • 06.09.2011 10:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.
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  • 06.12.2011 4:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.
However, his lack of specialities accounts for his best-ness.

Rather than be an ace in one field, he is decent in all fields. This means that he can perform the duties of any other Spartan with only slightly less spectacular results.
It's like, say for a strange analogy, cars. Some cars go faster than others, while some handle corners the best. But it is the car that goes pretty fast and corners pretty well that does the best: it overtakes the best-corner car on the straights, and catches up to the fastest car around the corners.

Now by all means, I don't think that John is the best Spartan, nor is he my favourite... but he certainly is the most well-rounded, and capable for most jobs.

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I'm sure there's a reason that all we know about his past is his childhood as a spartan (which is basically the same as every spartan) and the fact that his skills are average BUT in EVERY field making him the best overall.. in STATS (that is.. if you were to put "stat value" on each spartan).

If you notice we know almost everything about every other spartan(or at least all of the important ones). We were even told that noble 6 was the only other "Hyper lethal" spartan, other than master chief of course. There is more information on every spartan with the exception of noble 6(who is dead so it doesn't even matter, im sure if he had jumped on the ship with chief at the end of reach he would have helped chief dominate too) who didn't have something that chief had.. the best "luck". Not one spartan is detailed as to having a certain amount of luck so you can safely assume that Master Chief and ONLY Master Chief had that perk, if you will.

WE are the player(s) of Master Chief. Therefore WE are what make him THE BEST. Think about it, we are the ones to guide him through the games, at the end of reach the only other who was "hyper lethal" died, amirite? He just didn't have luck.

You cannot discuss whether Master Chief is the best spartan or not, only who the best was out of all of the others.. which in my opinion would be Kurt, i mean.. he is still alive isn't he?

To rank Master Chief would be to rank yourself among every spartan there ever was. So with this said.. ask youself, are any of the spartans better than you? Or are you the guy online that headshots everyone without even trying (maybe you no scope every player that comes into view with the sniper rifle).

[Edited on 06.12.2011 9:06 AM PDT]

  • 06.12.2011 8:46 AM PDT
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Around 2 million years ago, Africa was filled with different species of upright ape-men. Among them was Paranthropus boisei and -blam!- habilis. P. boisei was doing well, it had big strong jaws with muscles that anchored themselves on a sagittal ridge on it's skull. It was a vegetarian and it used it's incredibly strong bite to break open shoots, and hard nuts, and things were going well for P. boisei because of the abundance of food. H. habilis was an inventive but weak individual who used cooperation to scavenge for food. Food for them was scarce, they were omnivores but aside from the hard shoots P. boisei ate, there wasn't anything their weaker jaws could get into. They survived on what little food they could get. The climate however, being the unruly -blam!- she is, changed as she always does. In the end, P. boisei's special adaptation for eating entirely hard to get vegetation was it's undoing. It died out, because the food that kept it alive was all gone, and P. boisei had put all it's evolutionary eggs in one basket. H. habilis was a jack of all trades, master of none, and because of they're inventive spirit and cooperation, they survived to continue the human genus.

What does this have to do with anything? I think John-117 is a bit like our ancestors H. habilis. He may not be the best sniper, or best runner, or physically the strongest, but because he is good at all of those things, he makes for an extremely dangerous and versatile weapon. He's also a good leader, he's smart and can assess situations and come up with plans on the fly (if Cortana doesn't do it for him), and he's got that mystical luck we all like talking about. This is what you'd expect if you see him as a body through which the player acts, but I also think you can see this if you view him as a distinguished character in the universe fiction.

So, finally, we come to my final, brief point. People often misrepresent biological evolution by saying "survival of the fittest" and by saying that they mean "only the strongest, fastest, smartest survive". Of course, that's not the case. It's really closer to "survival of the fit". Whichever organism can best adapt to it's environment will survive. In a way, this is John-117 and why he's a good representation of our species as an entirety. We're not the fastest or the strongest, but because we embody those kinds of qualities in smaller doses, plus other skills, plus our superior ability to reason and co-operate, we've come to dominate the planet. John-117 may not be the fastest or strongest, but none of the other SPARTANs saved the species.

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John-117 may not be the fastest or strongest, but none of the other SPARTANs saved the species.


I like this guy, we have the same avatar :3

  • 06.12.2011 9:52 AM PDT
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Uhh... I just have some questions after reading through this whole thread ...
What does hyper lethal mean?
Who is Thel?

I'm just being curious here, hope for some answers.

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Posted by: skhter

What does hyper lethal mean?




It means beyond lethal.

  • 06.12.2011 9:58 AM PDT

No, but he has the most luck

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How is that possible? :S

  • 06.12.2011 10:08 AM PDT
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Master Chief is probably the best, overall, Spartan. While others may have been better in a specific attribute, MC was able to do a lot of things very well. I think Kurt may come close, but MC has too many accomplishments under his belt for him not to be number one.

  • 06.12.2011 11:34 AM PDT


Posted by: gtfan92
Master Chief is probably the best, overall, Spartan. While others may have been better in a specific attribute, MC was able to do a lot of things very well. I think Kurt may come close, but MC has too many accomplishments under his belt for him not to be number one.


People seem to forget prior to the halo events, Master Chief NEVER fought alone.

  • 06.12.2011 11:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: gtfan92
Master Chief is probably the best, overall, Spartan. While others may have been better in a specific attribute, MC was able to do a lot of things very well. I think Kurt may come close, but MC has too many accomplishments under his belt for him not to be number one.


People seem to forget prior to the halo events, Master Chief NEVER fought alone.


You do not know that for sure. It's not a stretch to believe he went on some Lone Wolf missions here and there throughout his almost thirty year career.

Also, the Halo events just so happened to be the most difficult, important, and harrowing "mission" he did by far up to that point, so it's really irrelevant if that was his first solo mission or not.

  • 06.12.2011 11:45 AM PDT


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Posted by: gtfan92
Master Chief is probably the best, overall, Spartan. While others may have been better in a specific attribute, MC was able to do a lot of things very well. I think Kurt may come close, but MC has too many accomplishments under his belt for him not to be number one.


People seem to forget prior to the halo events, Master Chief NEVER fought alone.


You do not know that for sure. It's not a stretch to believe he went on some Lone Wolf missions here and there throughout his almost thirty year career.

Also, the Halo events just so happened to be the most difficult, important, and harrowing "mission" he did by far up to that point, so it's really irrelevant if that was his first solo mission or not.


Why would a team leader do a solo mission?

  • 06.12.2011 12:01 PM PDT

This is Sparta!!! eh I mean Reach ^^

Master Chief Petty Officer John S-117 is a born leader and a typical one man army guy.
Though in terms of intelligence, Fred and Kurt were superior which also made both of them as officers with higher rank.
Master Chief is an allrounder.


[Edited on 06.12.2011 6:54 PM PDT]

  • 06.12.2011 6:53 PM PDT

I think he had his "luck", aka, Cortana, for a reason. Without her, he would've failed. Simple as that. If Noble Six had not delivered her to the Pillar, let me make a list of potentially "unlucky" things that would have happened at any point in any of the Halo campaigns:

1) Captain Keyes would never have found Halo without her coordinates. Now, even if he did find those coordinates by sheer blind, dead, and dumb luck, this is what would have happened...

2) The Covenant that arrive would have ripped the Pillar to shreds when Cortana was not there to man the MAC gun. Seeing as how she was already aboard, this might not have been a problem. However, without her, it is likely the Pillar would've been torn to shreds with everyone on board.

3) It is likely Cortana locked John's armor upon impact into Halo's surface, seeing as how she increases his speed, strength, and reaction time, it is less likely he would've survived without her than with her.

4) Cortana was there to help Master Chief find Keyes by way of a nav-point. If not for Keyes, the UNSC would've been disorganized and without a decent command structure, and more importantly, Master Chief would not have been able to do what he did without Keyes' neural implants.

5) Cortana got all of her information on Halo from Halo's Control System. If not for her intel, the UNSC would've never known anything about the Halo or the Flood.

6) Upon returning to the Control Center, without her, Master Chief would've activated Halo at the request of 343 Guilty Spark, and annihilated all life in the Galaxy.

7) Without Cortana, Master Chief would never have been able to escape the Monitor's Sentinel Army in Two Betrayals, as she was the one who teleported him. Thus, he also would never have been able to obtain the ship codes from Keyes' neural implants either, as he was where Cortana teleported him to.

8) Without Cortana, Master Chief would never have had enough time to escape from the Pillar, and even if he, by the grace of God, did, miraculously, have just enough time, he wouldn't have known of the lone Longsword in the Hangar, as it was Cortana who located it.

9) Without Cortana, Master Chief wouldn't have been able to deactivate the bomb aboard Cairo Station in time, let alone have been able to activate, and escape from the Assault Carrier if he did manage to deactivate it within a fraction of a second, which wouldn't leave him enough time to exit the ship and reach minimum safe distance in time, as Cortana's "activation upon touch" feature was what made this possible.

10) Without Cortana, they wouldn't have found out Regret's plan, and his location.

11) Without Cortana, Master Chief wouldn't have known where to go from the Council Chambers in Halo 2, she was his guide throughout the city, and afterwards, she even stayed behind to make sure the second Halo ring didn't fire while Chief went after Truth with the help of the Arbiter and the UNSC.

12) Without Cortana, Master Chief wouldn't have known how to stop the Flood without firing the Halo rings, and he wouldn't have found the Ark.

13) Without Cortana, Master Chief wouldn't have been able to destroy High Charity and kill the Gravemind, and even then, he didn't, Gravemind survived.

14) Without Cortana, Halo wouldn't have been able to be activated and destroy the Flood, because she had the Index. Without it, they would've been -blam!-.

15) Without Cortana, they wouldn't have been able to escape Halo in the Dawn in time.

Cortana is the reason Master Chief has been able to do what he has done. She has more character development and personality than the Master Chief or any character has ever had in any of the games, not to mention she is the only one who has fought Gravemind directly.

She is his shield.

She is his sword.

Without her, he is just another SPARTAN.

[Edited on 06.12.2011 10:34 PM PDT]

  • 06.12.2011 10:25 PM PDT

I would say he is either the best, or matched with Noble 6. They are both ranked as Hyper Lethal. They are definately the best of the Spartans. Maybe what you heard when you say he was average, was his physical strength wise? He implies tactics that most Spartans wouldn't even think of if they got a second chance in that situation. I think he and Noble 6 are the best spartans in the program.

  • 06.12.2011 10:32 PM PDT

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don't understand how this topic ends up appearing so often, how anyone can argue that 117 is not the best SPARTAN is beyond me.[/quote]
Because by himself he is mediocre and he is only badass when Cortana is aiding him.[/quote]
Where was Cortana when he was fighting thru The library? The Battle of the Forerunner ship? Flood Infected High Charity?

Yep. Those displays of fighting prowess were quite Mediocre. /Sarcasm.[/quote]
A Sergeant made it as far as Chief did, so I'm not that impressed, he also had Spark's help. On the Forerunner ship, he had to stay stealthy, no go guns blazing, and even then he failed to kill Truth. I'll give you the Flood infected High Charity, but the Arbiter eventually came to aid him.[/quote]
Yep. Pretty low key stealth

My mistake, I meant hit-and-hide stealth. The reason he didn't kill Truth is because he wasn't very stealthy. Besides, Noble Six could've done everything Chief did.

Debatable. But I would agree that they were both Badass.

Master Chief had support from Cortana, while Six had Noble team.

I wish we knew more about Six' past.

Well, we know Six has better luck with Innes than Chief.

Well, thats also debatable. Chief fought against the Innes for many years and most of his victories/triumphs go unmentioned. However, going back to your argument that "Six could have done everything Chief accomplished", couldn't that argument be flipped?

In other words, "Chief could have done everything Six accomplished".


A lot of his defeats and losses go unmentioned as well. Do you honestly believe Sam was the first SPARTAN that died under his command?

And of course he could've done anything Six did, including dying on the surface of Reach against unbeatable odds. All SPARTANS were exceptional, end of.

[Edited on 06.12.2011 10:42 PM PDT]

  • 06.12.2011 10:40 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


why thank you :P also why do people talk of halo cannon like it is the past?

  • 06.12.2011 11:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: kit_103

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Posted by: kit_103
Posted by: Apocalypse 1313
Grey.

Are you high? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT REPRESENTS HALO


It really depends on the person honestly. To the mass of people that don't read the books or get into the lore, then yeah. It's about a lone space-marine trying to save the galaxy from certain annihilation.

But to those that get into it? Could mean anything really. Of course, to some people that get into the lore, the above it still true to them.



Just want to get one thing straight he is not a -blam!- space-marine he is part of the Navy not the Marine Corp there is no Rank of Master Chief in the Marine Corp thats all i cared about


Posted by: Joseph Staten
Master Chief is really what kicked off the creativity, in terms of how people react to him. He's a space Marine in really cool green armor.


Like I said in my post, to those who don't give a frak about the lore and just wanna kill things, he's a space-marine.

I'm sure those that follow the lore know damn well what he is.


Look at the first 7 words of this. It will clear up any doubts for those who think he is a space-marine

http://www.halopedian.com/John-117


Obviously missed the part where I said "For those who don't give a frak"... -.-'

  • 06.13.2011 12:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101
To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


why thank you :P also why do people talk of halo cannon like it is the past?


From an in-universe viewpoint it is. Also, only true Halo fans know Kurt bested John, and know that Frederic did as well.

  • 06.13.2011 12:28 AM PDT


Posted by: CBT1979
Master Chief Petty Officer John S-117 is a born leader and a typical one man army guy.
Though in terms of intelligence, Fred and Kurt were superior which also made both of them as officers with higher rank.
Master Chief is an allrounder.


Kurt got a higher rank than Chief because he was placed in command of the SIII program, he needed a high rank. I don't know why Kurt promoted Fred.

Anyway, those two are not better leaders than John, they are good leaders yes, but there's a reason why Chief was placed as the leader of all the Spartans and given command of the best team amongst them.

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I think he had his "luck", aka, Cortana, for a reason. Without her, he would've failed. Simple as that. If Noble Six had not delivered her to the Pillar, let me make a list of potentially "unlucky" things that would have happened at any point in any of the Halo campaigns:

1) Captain Keyes would never have found Halo without her coordinates. Now, even if he did find those coordinates by sheer blind, dead, and dumb luck, this is what would have happened...

2) The Covenant that arrive would have ripped the Pillar to shreds when Cortana was not there to man the MAC gun. Seeing as how she was already aboard, this might not have been a problem. However, without her, it is likely the Pillar would've been torn to shreds with everyone on board.

3) It is likely Cortana locked John's armor upon impact into Halo's surface, seeing as how she increases his speed, strength, and reaction time, it is less likely he would've survived without her than with her.

4) Cortana was there to help Master Chief find Keyes by way of a nav-point. If not for Keyes, the UNSC would've been disorganized and without a decent command structure, and more importantly, Master Chief would not have been able to do what he did without Keyes' neural implants.

5) Cortana got all of her information on Halo from Halo's Control System. If not for her intel, the UNSC would've never known anything about the Halo or the Flood.

6) Upon returning to the Control Center, without her, Master Chief would've activated Halo at the request of 343 Guilty Spark, and annihilated all life in the Galaxy.

7) Without Cortana, Master Chief would never have been able to escape the Monitor's Sentinel Army in Two Betrayals, as she was the one who teleported him. Thus, he also would never have been able to obtain the ship codes from Keyes' neural implants either, as he was where Cortana teleported him to.

8) Without Cortana, Master Chief would never have had enough time to escape from the Pillar, and even if he, by the grace of God, did, miraculously, have just enough time, he wouldn't have known of the lone Longsword in the Hangar, as it was Cortana who located it.

9) Without Cortana, Master Chief wouldn't have been able to deactivate the bomb aboard Cairo Station in time, let alone have been able to activate, and escape from the Assault Carrier if he did manage to deactivate it within a fraction of a second, which wouldn't leave him enough time to exit the ship and reach minimum safe distance in time, as Cortana's "activation upon touch" feature was what made this possible.

10) Without Cortana, they wouldn't have found out Regret's plan, and his location.

11) Without Cortana, Master Chief wouldn't have known where to go from the Council Chambers in Halo 2, she was his guide throughout the city, and afterwards, she even stayed behind to make sure the second Halo ring didn't fire while Chief went after Truth with the help of the Arbiter and the UNSC.

12) Without Cortana, Master Chief wouldn't have known how to stop the Flood without firing the Halo rings, and he wouldn't have found the Ark.

13) Without Cortana, Master Chief wouldn't have been able to destroy High Charity and kill the Gravemind, and even then, he didn't, Gravemind survived.

14) Without Cortana, Halo wouldn't have been able to be activated and destroy the Flood, because she had the Index. Without it, they would've been -blam!-.

15) Without Cortana, they wouldn't have been able to escape Halo in the Dawn in time.

Cortana is the reason Master Chief has been able to do what he has done. She has more character development and personality than the Master Chief or any character has ever had in any of the games, not to mention she is the only one who has fought Gravemind directly.

She is his shield.

She is his sword.

Without her, he is just another SPARTAN.


*facewall*
You realise Six only delivered a fragment of Cortana?The real one was chilling inside the autumn,the fragment was nothing more then something to study the Forerunner artifact.Hell you could delete it and it would affect the real cortana except that they lose their hope to save Humanity.

3)I want evidence that Cortana increases the strenght of a spartan she is with.
And i want evidence that she locked his armor,don't bring up any speculation .

4)Let's forget Major Silva who was the one who organised the troops,gave them a base and launched attacks on the Covenant.All Keyes did on Halo was being a prison,then taking a sleep for 3 hours then going straight in the hands of the flood.
I think the douchbag Silva deserves an award too.
The neural implants?In the end the implants were useless as Spark stopped the detonation and MC had to do it manually.

5)She only shared the info with Halsey,who turned into a -blam!- and took all info with her on Onyx.The UNSC never got their hands on the info except interviews with the survivors.

12)False,the Elites were planning to follow Truth through the portal anyway.

15)Why not?

The rest of your points are true,but why did you had to bring all of that stuff up?I can make a list to that if Chief didn't do that ,then blablabl

What you forgot is that Cortana isn't the only who saved the day,the Chief is the one who protected her,carried her and saved him.

Both of them needed eachother and not like what you just said.

  • 06.13.2011 8:34 AM PDT