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Subject: Master Chief, the Best Spartan?

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Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


Yes but they all went "MIA" Chief dident also i dont think they could of done what he did one reason and one reason only the writers made him the hero of the books and games


Chief didn't go MIA, he went KIA. After the Arbiter returned, they all thought he died. That's enough for me, rather be MIA than KIA.

  • 04.24.2011 2:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


Chief was a leader, and lucky. To me, his luck does not make him the best.

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Linda is the best sniper, Kelly is the best runner, but John is the best Spartan. His achievements alone make him the greatest, destroying Halo, killing a prophet and defeating the flood. This was helped by luck, and Cortana, but even without her he stood out among his peers. He became the leader of the Spartans, beat up four ODSTs at the age of 14.

After John starts working with Cortana he is without a doubt the greatest Spartan. He survived Ackerson's trap, and basically saved humanity throughout the trilogy.


Ugh... I'm sorry mate, but the ODST example doesn't count. He didn't know his strength, and the ODST's thought he was just a random teen who they could easily beat up.

Though he, he can kinda take credit for destroying halo, and he can take credit for killing a prophet, simply because Truth didn't allow reinforcements to arrive. He didn't destroy the Covenant, Thel did. He didn't defeat the flood, Cortana did.

His actions wouldn't have happened without Cortana. If Cortana wasn't there he'd just be a lucky team leader. He did those things with difficulty.


He only destroyed the Ring with the help of Cortana. If it wasn't for her, he would have fired Halo! Honestly, without Cortana, he can be very confused. If it wasn't for her, he would have followed through with Guilty Sparks plans to fire the ring. Cortana also lead him to Regret. John didn't do it alone. He did it with the help of Cortana. The only impressive feats he has done alone is surviving Flood infested High Charity.


And you don't give him any credits?If his skills were -blam!-,then you wouldn't have killed all the flood and covies he saw.He also saved cortana in a flood hive.Cortana gave him intel,but he was the one who blew through enemy lines like a tank.


He has had countless near death experiences without the help of someone else. He could have died early on in Halo CE or even before that on Gamma Station. Of course he blew through enemy lines with ease, he's a Spartan, they all can do it.

  • 04.24.2011 2:32 AM PDT

Posted by: RotaryCookie
While other SPARTANS could out-gun/run/CQB him, the Master Cheif is the "best" SPARTAN.

Overall he stands out from the rest, he saved humanity mostly single handedly (Battle of the Ark anyone?) and is the SPARTAN that everyone knows about and looks up to.
He showed that he is capable of unspeakable acts of violence, hence his "Hyper Lethal" rating, yet shows the most SPARTAN of all traits, compassion and holds a non-human life in higher regard than his own. (Saving Cortana much?)

Even though he is out-performed by some of his peers, he still manages to do things well outside his own abilities, partly thanks to Cortana and partly thanks to him being the "best" SPARTAN.

Stories are told of Heroes, and the story we know is that of Master Chiefs. He is the Hero, He is the Best.


What you just said contradicts itself. He didn't do the Ark alone, he had the help of the Elites, UNSC Marines, Johnson, Miranda, and of course the Arbiter. Without them, he wouldn't have been able to take down the three shield generators alone. He isn't considered the best he is considered the "Luckiest" as so many have said to him.

If there were games on the other Spartans, plenty of people like you would be having second thoughts at the amazing feats the other Spartans have done. I will never forget Sam, or Kurt.

  • 04.24.2011 2:36 AM PDT

The most annoying thing with the "Chief is best!" arguments is when these things get brought up.

A: Chief destroyed halo/killed Regret. No other Spartan can claim that!

That's stupid and unfair to bring up. It's like saying the rest of the squad doesn't compare to that soldier simply because they never were in that position.

B: He did it all alone with no help!

Cortana, Johnson, Thel. Need I say more? Or all those vehicles dropped off for him. Or all those marine squads.

C: He fought through all the Covenant and flood in the games no problem.

Not true in any sense. If you read the books you'd know he had MANY near death experiences fighting alone. He nearly got killed in Gamma Station. He nearly was killed with grunts dropped onto his armor. He nearly was killed when an Elite flanked him. He nearly got infected. I believe after he got flanked and almost killed he has this thought basically "That shouldn't have happened... I have to adapt to not having my squad to cover me."

D: He saved the Galaxy!

Cortana stopped him from activating halo. Cortana stayed behind to make sure the second halo didn't fire. Cortana came up with the plan to defeat the flood.

Edit: As I said, I'll agree that with Cortana he was the best Spartan. However, without her he is simply the lucky team leader who is kinda average for a Spartan.

Give Cortana to Six or Fred and have them on halo, we might see the same results. We might see better results.

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  • 04.24.2011 7:36 AM PDT
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Chief was a standerd Spartan, that was extremely lucky. It doesn't matter if you the best sniper or the fastest runner, for if you are unlucky...your screwed.

  • 04.24.2011 8:06 AM PDT

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  • 04.24.2011 8:10 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

If we're talking "stats" alone, Fred outshines every single spartan. He "apparently" wasn't the best in anything, but he was the SECOND best in nearly every category. Second fastest, second strongest, second best aim. And on top of that, he apparently had the potential to be the best, but just didn't want the attention!

Some spartans stand above the others. Kelly with her speed, Kurt with his sixth sense, Sam with his strength, Linda with her aim.

Six getting "Hyper Lethal" isn't even canon. We've never considered trailers canon, have we? None of the Halo CE, 2, or 3 trailers were canon. Why would Reachs?

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The most annoying thing with the "Chief is best!" arguments is when these things get brought up.

A: Chief destroyed halo/killed Regret. No other Spartan can claim that!

That's stupid and unfair to bring up. It's like saying the rest of the squad doesn't compare to that soldier simply because they never were in that position.

B: He did it all alone with no help!

Cortana, Johnson, Thel. Need I say more? Or all those vehicles dropped off for him. Or all those marine squads.

C: He fought through all the Covenant and flood in the games no problem.

Not true in any sense. If you read the books you'd know he had MANY near death experiences fighting alone. He nearly got killed in Gamma Station. He nearly was killed with grunts dropped onto his armor. He nearly was killed when an Elite flanked him. He nearly got infected. I believe after he got flanked and almost killed he has this thought basically "That shouldn't have happened... I have to adapt to not having my squad to cover me."

D: He saved the Galaxy!

Cortana stopped him from activating halo. Cortana stayed behind to make sure the second halo didn't fire. Cortana came up with the plan to defeat the flood.

Edit: As I said, I'll agree that with Cortana he was the best Spartan. However, without her he is simply the lucky team leader who is kinda average for a Spartan.

Give Cortana to Six or Fred and have them on halo, we might see the same results. We might see better results.


A:True,but an exemple i would like to bring up,Linda won't survive the flood if she uses her sniper.

B:If we look at just the Halo games,117 and his marines were usually outnumbered.And there are missions where he fought alone.

-Two betrayls
-Library(except a few times when sentinels came)
-poa
-Keyes
-the entire spark level till the end

He infiltrated the cartographer alone.

In Halo 2 when he was in high charity,or saving cortana.Most of the parts of missions he was alone.
I agree that he nearly killed everyone in Halo CE,but..you might say cortana came with a plan,but without the chiefs skills,the plan would have failed.

C:People saying that are Bull-blam!-ing(not to you).

D:Master Chief did saved cortana.He stopped truth from firing the rings,with arbys help.If he didn't then the entire agalxy would have been cleansed.




Speculation,if Six didn't got the same genes as the SII,then he wouldn't hjave survived,as he wouldn't even know how to activate any Forerunner controls.Would spark even classifies him as a reclaimer?

  • 04.24.2011 10:51 AM PDT

Well, seeing as Ander's activated forerunner tech and she wasn't augmented... and 343 called Miranda a reclaimer as well. I'd say not having chief's genes wouldn't matter.

As for other Spartans? Well Linda doesn't always use the sniper rifle, and I'm sure a S3 in SPI could last the library. I mean, a Marine sergeant went a good distance through it before dying.

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  • 04.24.2011 10:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Well, seeing as Ander's activated forerunner tech and she wasn't augmented... and 343 called Miranda a reclaimer as well. I'd say not having chief's genes wouldn't matter.

As for other Spartans? Well Linda doesn't always use the sniper rifle, and I'm sure a S3 in SPI could last the library. I mean, a Marine sergeant went a good distance through it before dying.


No,i think the ones who got the best genes of Humanity,can remember those controls.Both Fred and John seem to remember those Forerunner symbols,probably the geas.I think the Forerunners gave them geas that will allow them to remember everything in the past.

I smell that this will be important in Halo 4 :)Imagine chief remembering ancient humanity and maybe even the flood cure.

  • 04.24.2011 11:04 AM PDT
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He may not be the best, but he sure is the luckiest of all SPARTANs.



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fangirl

Wait, you're female?!
I thought you females were some sort of a myth here on Bungie.net

  • 04.24.2011 11:10 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Well, seeing as Ander's activated forerunner tech and she wasn't augmented... and 343 called Miranda a reclaimer as well. I'd say not having chief's genes wouldn't matter.

As for other Spartans? Well Linda doesn't always use the sniper rifle, and I'm sure a S3 in SPI could last the library. I mean, a Marine sergeant went a good distance through it before dying.


No,i think the ones who got the best genes of Humanity,can remember those controls.Both Fred and John seem to remember those Forerunner symbols,probably the geas.I think the Forerunners gave them geas that will allow them to remember everything in the past.

I smell that this will be important in Halo 4 :)Imagine chief remembering ancient humanity and maybe even the flood cure.


*Shrug* Idummo. I think that was more of just luck and pushing the shiny button which feels right.

But yeah, it never seemed like Chief went through complex control panels but I'd say that's the smallest deterrent :P.

  • 04.24.2011 11:11 AM PDT


Posted by: Tomvl117
He may not be the best, but he sure is the luckiest of all SPARTANs.



Posted by: OrderedComa
fangirl

Wait, you're female?!
I thought you females were some sort of a myth here on Bungie.net


lol, I think it's split up.

Fangirls squeal with glee whenever it's mentioned.
Fanboys just defend it zealously and attack anything that might in some obscure manner oppose it.

That's the extremes though in my theory.

  • 04.24.2011 11:14 AM PDT
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He isn't the best at anything, but has great all around skills.
And he's the 'luckiest'.

He was also considered a great squad leader.

  • 04.24.2011 11:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: Tomvl117
He may not be the best, but he sure is the luckiest of all SPARTANs.


Fred.

  • 04.24.2011 11:23 AM PDT
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You are kidding right?Chief is the luckiest.

  • 04.24.2011 11:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
If we're talking "stats" alone, Fred outshines every single spartan. He "apparently" wasn't the best in anything, but he was the SECOND best in nearly every category. Second fastest, second strongest, second best aim. And on top of that, he apparently had the potential to be the best, but just didn't want the attention!

My thoughts exactly.

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Posted by: hotshot revan II
Just meant that Fred is the best and luckiest Spartan-II.

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Posted by: manwith
Posted by: hotshot revan II
Just meant that Fred is the best and luckiest Spartan-II.


Fred might be the best of them,or the second best.But luckiest no?Probably the second luckiest.

I wonder,who is the first best spartan II on first spot?

I how Fred appears in halo 4.

Chief + arby + Fred + Rtas=kickass

  • 04.24.2011 11:37 AM PDT


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Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


Chief was a leader, and lucky. To me, his luck does not make him the best.

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Linda is the best sniper, Kelly is the best runner, but John is the best Spartan. His achievements alone make him the greatest, destroying Halo, killing a prophet and defeating the flood. This was helped by luck, and Cortana, but even without her he stood out among his peers. He became the leader of the Spartans, beat up four ODSTs at the age of 14.

After John starts working with Cortana he is without a doubt the greatest Spartan. He survived Ackerson's trap, and basically saved humanity throughout the trilogy.


Ugh... I'm sorry mate, but the ODST example doesn't count. He didn't know his strength, and the ODST's thought he was just a random teen who they could easily beat up.

Though he, he can kinda take credit for destroying halo, and he can take credit for killing a prophet, simply because Truth didn't allow reinforcements to arrive. He didn't destroy the Covenant, Thel did. He didn't defeat the flood, Cortana did.

His actions wouldn't have happened without Cortana. If Cortana wasn't there he'd just be a lucky team leader. He did those things with difficulty.


He only destroyed the Ring with the help of Cortana. If it wasn't for her, he would have fired Halo! Honestly, without Cortana, he can be very confused. If it wasn't for her, he would have followed through with Guilty Sparks plans to fire the ring. Cortana also lead him to Regret. John didn't do it alone. He did it with the help of Cortana. The only impressive feats he has done alone is surviving Flood infested High Charity.


Even the best need help to accomplish things, being the best does not mean that you can do absolutely everything alone. Any other Spartan, or anyone else Spark met, would have been equally fooled, Spark simply wasn't telling the truth about Halo, so yeah, I wouldn't really count almost firing Halo too much against Chief.

I think most of Cortana's informational dialogue is more for the players' benefit than anything story related, but even so, Chief isn't a psychic, someone would need to give out intel, that's Cortana's job. And even if Cortana is acting as the one giving the missions and objectives, Chief's deeds are still impressive, not just anyone could do all that fighting to accomplish whatever the mission is. No matter how good they are, I don't see any other Spartan successfully fighting through the Flood Containment Facility and then the Library, or getting through both Covenant and Flood controlled High Charity with no back up and making it out alive both times.

  • 04.24.2011 12:09 PM PDT

*Shrug* Personal viewpoint I guess.

I mean, saying it's impossible to fathom is blah seeing as we were told a random marine sergeant survived most of the library without any sort of special armor or gear.

  • 04.24.2011 12:14 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
If we're talking "stats" alone, Fred outshines every single spartan. He "apparently" wasn't the best in anything, but he was the SECOND best in nearly every category. Second fastest, second strongest, second best aim. And on top of that, he apparently had the potential to be the best, but just didn't want the attention!

Some spartans stand above the others. Kelly with her speed, Kurt with his sixth sense, Sam with his strength, Linda with her aim.

Six getting "Hyper Lethal" isn't even canon. We've never considered trailers canon, have we? None of the Halo CE, 2, or 3 trailers were canon. Why would Reachs?


I thought the particular bit you are referencing was talking about Fred coming in second in all their training exercises? Coming second behind Chief, I might add. That's what I remember at least.

Um, advertising stuff is canon, at least according to an answer Bungie gave about canon hierarchy a while ago, I've only heard the canon ranking from people second hand though as I wasn't around at the time Bungie made the statement regarding hierarchy. The only time advertising is non-canon is when a higher source contradicts it, and if the advertising is new information it would still be canon if an older source was contradicting, because new also supersedes the older info.

  • 04.24.2011 12:16 PM PDT

Posted by: Tomvl117
He may not be the best, but he sure is the luckiest of all SPARTANs.


Whatever your personal view on whether Chief is best or not, the second part of that statement is definitely true and there's no real disputing of that.

Wait, you're female?!
I thought you females were some sort of a myth here on Bungie.net


Well I guess I'm a myth then ;P

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Master Chief = Best Spartan.

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  • 04.24.2011 3:39 PM PDT