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Posted by: mojeda101
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Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.
Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.
Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.
Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.
To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.
Chief was a leader, and lucky. To me, his luck does not make him the best.
Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Linda is the best sniper, Kelly is the best runner, but John is the best Spartan. His achievements alone make him the greatest, destroying Halo, killing a prophet and defeating the flood. This was helped by luck, and Cortana, but even without her he stood out among his peers. He became the leader of the Spartans, beat up four ODSTs at the age of 14.
After John starts working with Cortana he is without a doubt the greatest Spartan. He survived Ackerson's trap, and basically saved humanity throughout the trilogy.
Ugh... I'm sorry mate, but the ODST example doesn't count. He didn't know his strength, and the ODST's thought he was just a random teen who they could easily beat up.
Though he, he can kinda take credit for destroying halo, and he can take credit for killing a prophet, simply because Truth didn't allow reinforcements to arrive. He didn't destroy the Covenant, Thel did. He didn't defeat the flood, Cortana did.
His actions wouldn't have happened without Cortana. If Cortana wasn't there he'd just be a lucky team leader. He did those things with difficulty.
He only destroyed the Ring with the help of Cortana. If it wasn't for her, he would have fired Halo! Honestly, without Cortana, he can be very confused. If it wasn't for her, he would have followed through with Guilty Sparks plans to fire the ring. Cortana also lead him to Regret. John didn't do it alone. He did it with the help of Cortana. The only impressive feats he has done alone is surviving Flood infested High Charity.
Even the best need help to accomplish things, being the best does not mean that you can do absolutely everything alone. Any other Spartan, or anyone else Spark met, would have been equally fooled, Spark simply wasn't telling the truth about Halo, so yeah, I wouldn't really count almost firing Halo too much against Chief.
I think most of Cortana's informational dialogue is more for the players' benefit than anything story related, but even so, Chief isn't a psychic, someone would need to give out intel, that's Cortana's job. And even if Cortana is acting as the one giving the missions and objectives, Chief's deeds are still impressive, not just anyone could do all that fighting to accomplish whatever the mission is. No matter how good they are, I don't see any other Spartan successfully fighting through the Flood Containment Facility and then the Library, or getting through both Covenant and Flood controlled High Charity with no back up and making it out alive both times.