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Subject: Master Chief, the Best Spartan?

According to Cortana the only thing he had special was his luck.
So no, he's not the best SPARTAN.

  • 04.24.2011 3:47 PM PDT


Posted by: Dustin 6047

Posted by: forthnback

Posted by: Dustin 6047
Technically according to Dr. Halsey he was average among the Spartans, but in one of the Reach trailers, it is implied that he, along with 6, are the only Spartans with the rating: Hyper Leathal, if I'm spelling it right.


It is said that Noble 6 is hyper-lethal, along with one other. It makes no reference of any sort as to who that person is. Considering John's opinion on Spartans, it would likely be Fred. He came in second place in every competition and skill test, and John believes he coulld have come in first but just didn't like the attention. Him, or someone new they will invent.


How about we keep this thread to common-sence only. Maybe retitle it, "(B)itch and moan over Halo characters Here!"


How about we spell correctly? I'm not even sure what you are trying to say here.

  • 04.24.2011 4:01 PM PDT

hence his "Hyper Lethal" rating

John is not mentioned or implied anywhere to be hyper-lethal.

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Posted by: forthnback
hence his "Hyper Lethal" rating

John is not mentioned or implied anywhere to be hyper-lethal.

It is highly implied that John was the other spartan with a "Hyper-lethal" rating.

She, Dr. Halsey, said it almost with a "Wink-Wink" in her voice.

Who else could she be referring to??

[Edited on 04.24.2011 4:15 PM PDT]

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Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Linda is the best sniper, Kelly is the best runner, but John is the best Spartan. His achievements alone make him the greatest, destroying Halo, killing a prophet and defeating the flood. This was helped by luck, and Cortana, but even without her he stood out among his peers. He became the leader of the Spartans, beat up four ODSTs at the age of 14.

After John starts working with Cortana he is without a doubt the greatest Spartan. He survived Ackerson's trap, and basically saved humanity throughout the trilogy.


All of those achevemnets he did with "luck" so to speak seeing how he nearly got killed doing each one of thoose and got a lucky break.

Halo- nearly got infected by an infection form but cortana saved him by shocking it.

Got hit in the back of the head with a wrench by an infected human which nearly cost him

Truth- While trying to kill truth he got cornered and shot by what 6 hunters? captured by a brute and got out by one lucky saved grenade.

All of those were close calls and he barley got out, not to mention his few combat encounters with elites. And the ODST bit isn't anything seeing how any spartan honestly could have done that.

  • 04.24.2011 4:47 PM PDT


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Posted by: forthnback
hence his "Hyper Lethal" rating

John is not mentioned or implied anywhere to be hyper-lethal.

It is highly implied that John was the other spartan with a "Hyper-lethal" rating.

She, Dr. Halsey, said it almost with a "Wink-Wink" in her voice.

Who else could she be referring to??


Who knows? But everything I read prior to Reach(events) did not describe Chief as that.

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Posted by: forthnback
hence his "Hyper Lethal" rating

John is not mentioned or implied anywhere to be hyper-lethal.

It is highly implied that John was the other spartan with a "Hyper-lethal" rating.

She, Dr. Halsey, said it almost with a "Wink-Wink" in her voice.

Who else could she be referring to??


Who knows? But everything I read prior to Reach(events) did not describe Chief as that.

What about his achievements (Halo, delta halo, high charity, flood infested high charity, etc, etc, etc)? his kill count( both in game and in the books)? his ability to triumph where others fail?

How can he not be considered "Hyper-lethal"?

  • 04.24.2011 4:53 PM PDT


Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

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Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

Posted by: forthnback
hence his "Hyper Lethal" rating

John is not mentioned or implied anywhere to be hyper-lethal.

It is highly implied that John was the other spartan with a "Hyper-lethal" rating.

She, Dr. Halsey, said it almost with a "Wink-Wink" in her voice.

Who else could she be referring to??


Who knows? But everything I read prior to Reach(events) did not describe Chief as that.

What about his achievements (Halo, delta halo, high charity, flood infested high charity, etc, etc, etc)? his kill count( both in game and in the books)? his ability to triumph where others fail?

How can he not be considered "Hyper-lethal"?


A: All those things happened before Reach? If so then damn, time travel -blam!-up?

This is noted because the trailer takes place during the battle of Reach. That is when the only time hyper-lethal is mentioned is uttered in the universe.

B: Triumph where others fail? Please explain? I'd like to see proof no other Spartan could do what he did. I have proof they could survive the library, the hardest fight Chief did on Alpha halo.

The proof is that a simple marine Sergeant survived most of the way through it.

I easily don't consider him hyper-lethal prior to the battle of Reach. (It's easy to consider him that post battle of Reach being on of the few Spartans still fighting.) Somebody like Linda makes more sense for the title.

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For all we know the another Spartan classified as ''hyper lethal vector'' may have never existed or was just not determined.

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Posted by: forthnback
hence his "Hyper Lethal" rating[/quote]

John is not mentioned or implied anywhere to be hyper-lethal.[/quote]
It is highly implied that John was the other spartan with a "Hyper-lethal" rating.

She, Dr. Halsey, said it almost with a "Wink-Wink" in her voice.

Who else could she be referring to??[/quote]

Who knows? But everything I read prior to Reach(events) did not describe Chief as that.[/quote]
What about his achievements (Halo, delta halo, high charity, flood infested high charity, etc, etc, etc)? his kill count( both in game and in the books)? his ability to triumph where others fail?

How can he not be considered "Hyper-lethal"?


A: All those things happened before Reach? If so then damn, time travel -blam!-up?

This is noted because the trailer takes place during the battle of Reach. That is when the only time hyper-lethal is mentioned is uttered in the universe.

B: Triumph where others fail? Please explain? I'd like to see proof no other Spartan could do what he did. I have proof they could survive the library, the hardest fight Chief did on Alpha halo.

The proof is that a simple marine Sergeant survived most of the way through it.

I easily don't consider him hyper-lethal prior to the battle of Reach. (It's easy to consider him that post battle of Reach being on of the few Spartans still fighting.) Somebody like Linda makes more sense for the title.

My mistake. I was forgetting that most of that happened after the fall of reach.

My apologies.

  • 04.24.2011 5:08 PM PDT

Eh, it's okay. I got a little over-zealous :P.

Common thing though, lots reference the halo trilogy and forget the line in question was said before that.

  • 04.24.2011 5:11 PM PDT

Chief is most likely the best all-around Spartan. He was definitely not "average". He was not the best at any one particular thing, but being second-best at everything still leaves you in the best position compared to someone with very specialized strengths and weaknesses.

  • 04.24.2011 5:15 PM PDT


Posted by: Brent G
Chief is most likely the best all-around Spartan. He was definitely not "average". He was not the best at any one particular thing, but being second-best at everything still leaves you in the best position compared to someone with very specialized strengths and weaknesses.


That's the thing and it's been said several times. All spartans were trained to be "the best" all around. They exceeded that in their specialization.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Brent G
Chief is most likely the best all-around Spartan. He was definitely not "average". He was not the best at any one particular thing, but being second-best at everything still leaves you in the best position compared to someone with very specialized strengths and weaknesses.


He was average and he wasn't second best at anything.

His trait was luck which is why everybody thinks he is the best, which i find arbitrary seeing how if the trilogy was based off any other spartan you would think they were the best since thats the only one you know of.

  • 04.24.2011 5:22 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Brent G
Chief is most likely the best all-around Spartan. He was definitely not "average". He was not the best at any one particular thing, but being second-best at everything still leaves you in the best position compared to someone with very specialized strengths and weaknesses.


He was average and he wasn't second best at anything.

His trait was luck which is why everybody thinks he is the best, which i find arbitrary seeing how if the trilogy was based off any other spartan you would think they were the best since thats the only one you know of.


Kinda this. I have to wonder if some of the people zealously saying he is the best and nobody could do what he did are just frightened that we've seen other Spartans ingame now and they performed just as well?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Brent G
Chief is most likely the best all-around Spartan. He was definitely not "average". He was not the best at any one particular thing, but being second-best at everything still leaves you in the best position compared to someone with very specialized strengths and weaknesses.


He was average and he wasn't second best at anything.

His trait was luck which is why everybody thinks he is the best, which i find arbitrary seeing how if the trilogy was based off any other spartan you would think they were the best since thats the only one you know of.


Kinda this. I have to wonder if some of the people zealously saying he is the best and nobody could do what he did are just frightened that we've seen other Spartans ingame now and they performed just as well?

And they foolishly thing that he and the rings are what represent halo.

  • 04.24.2011 5:41 PM PDT

Spartans never die... they just revert to last checkpoint.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


Chief was a leader, and lucky. To me, his luck does not make him the best.

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Linda is the best sniper, Kelly is the best runner, but John is the best Spartan. His achievements alone make him the greatest, destroying Halo, killing a prophet and defeating the flood. This was helped by luck, and Cortana, but even without her he stood out among his peers. He became the leader of the Spartans, beat up four ODSTs at the age of 14.

After John starts working with Cortana he is without a doubt the greatest Spartan. He survived Ackerson's trap, and basically saved humanity throughout the trilogy.


Ugh... I'm sorry mate, but the ODST example doesn't count. He didn't know his strength, and the ODST's thought he was just a random teen who they could easily beat up.

Though he, he can kinda take credit for destroying halo, and he can take credit for killing a prophet, simply because Truth didn't allow reinforcements to arrive. He didn't destroy the Covenant, Thel did. He didn't defeat the flood, Cortana did.

His actions wouldn't have happened without Cortana. If Cortana wasn't there he'd just be a lucky team leader. He did those things with difficulty.


Idiot. You say withought Cortana those things wouldn't have happened. True.

What if Chief didn't make it off Halo but Cortana did? Without Chief none of that would have happened. In your mind there can only be key player. There are many.



To those saying he was average:

Linda was a better sniper. Surely Chief was better in other ways.

Fred was the best CQC. Surely Chief was better in other ways.

Chief wasn't just the best leader. He had no weaknesses compared to the other Spartans. He wasn't the worst at anything, he was better than every other in certain ways.

  • 04.24.2011 5:58 PM PDT

There is nothing saying Linda was weak in CQC.

There is nothing saying Fred was weak at longer ranges.

Spartans, by default are good at everything. In their specialties they are masters.

Chief, had no specialty, bar being lucky and leadership.

  • 04.24.2011 6:14 PM PDT

Spartans never die... they just revert to last checkpoint.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Brent G
Chief is most likely the best all-around Spartan. He was definitely not "average". He was not the best at any one particular thing, but being second-best at everything still leaves you in the best position compared to someone with very specialized strengths and weaknesses.


That's the thing and it's been said several times. All spartans were trained to be "the best" all around. They exceeded that in their specialization.


Brent G is right. They aren't all the exact same in every category other than their specs. Chief is the Hyper-Lethal Spartan.

Your also forgetting about the insurrectionists. The enemies the Spartans were created to destroy. The Chief's campaigns against those foes don't matter do they?

  • 04.24.2011 6:15 PM PDT


Posted by: Apocalypse 1313

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Brent G
Chief is most likely the best all-around Spartan. He was definitely not "average". He was not the best at any one particular thing, but being second-best at everything still leaves you in the best position compared to someone with very specialized strengths and weaknesses.


That's the thing and it's been said several times. All spartans were trained to be "the best" all around. They exceeded that in their specialization.


Brent G is right. They aren't all the exact same in every category other than their specs. Chief is the Hyper-Lethal Spartan.

Your also forgetting about the insurrectionists. The enemies the Spartans were created to destroy. The Chief's campaigns against those foes don't matter do they?


Um, chief got captured by them once. If it wasn't for Kurt he would be dead.

Chief's campaign as a TEAM LEADER was impressive. But alone? Not so much.

Six's fight against the rebels is far more impressive then Chief's.

[Edited on 04.24.2011 6:18 PM PDT]

  • 04.24.2011 6:17 PM PDT

Spartans never die... they just revert to last checkpoint.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
There is nothing saying Linda was weak in CQC.

There is nothing saying Fred was weak at longer ranges.

Spartans, by default are good at everything. In their specialties they are masters.

Chief, had no specialty, bar being lucky and leadership.

Again, you don't get it. Nobody... NOTHING is better than than anything else in EVERY way. It's impossible.

  • 04.24.2011 6:17 PM PDT


Posted by: Apocalypse 1313

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
There is nothing saying Linda was weak in CQC.

There is nothing saying Fred was weak at longer ranges.

Spartans, by default are good at everything. In their specialties they are masters.

Chief, had no specialty, bar being lucky and leadership.

Again, you don't get it. Nobody... NOTHING is better than than anything else in EVERY way. It's impossible.


*Sigh* I'm saying compared to your average marine. A spartan is better in pretty much every way.

If you are saying they aren't better then the chief, you are WRONG.

Halsey herself "Not the strongest, fastest, or smartest."

Chief "Fred could come in first in every competition, he just doesn't want the attention."

Right there, Chief implies HEAVILY Fred was the best.

Edit: and where the heck did I imply there was only one key player? That's what the rabid "CHEIF IS BEST!" fans say. I know Chief didn't do it alone.

[Edited on 04.24.2011 6:28 PM PDT]

  • 04.24.2011 6:22 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

Who knows? But everything I read prior to Reach(events) did not describe Chief as that.[/quote]
What about his achievements (Halo, delta halo, high charity, flood infested high charity, etc, etc, etc)? his kill count( both in game and in the books)? his ability to triumph where others fail?

How can he not be considered "Hyper-lethal"?


A: All those things happened before Reach? If so then damn, time travel -blam!-up?

This is noted because the trailer takes place during the battle of Reach. That is when the only time hyper-lethal is mentioned is uttered in the universe.

B: Triumph where others fail? Please explain? I'd like to see proof no other Spartan could do what he did. I have proof they could survive the library, the hardest fight Chief did on Alpha halo.

The proof is that a simple marine Sergeant survived most of the way through it.

I easily don't consider him hyper-lethal prior to the battle of Reach. (It's easy to consider him that post battle of Reach being on of the few Spartans still fighting.) Somebody like Linda makes more sense for the title.


That marine did get far yes, but we know nothing about him, he may have been a Spartan 1 like Johnson (unlikely) or one of those few people truly bad ass enough to get past the Flood. In any case I think he was more of a fluke, you know that one that is always in impossibly long odds. One of the other Spartans may have been able to make it through the Library, but I personally don't find it very likely, they'd have a better chance than a marine though, or uber bad ass marines.

Why would Linda make more sense to you? I personally don't really see anything in her that would make her able to achieve that rating, Fred perhaps, but I think the intention of the trailer was for it to be the Chief. Even before Reach he had done some impressive -blam!-, all those medals he got have to mean something after all. :P

  • 04.24.2011 7:18 PM PDT

OH HAI THAR!

If any one has ever read the books, then they would know why Master Chief is the best Spartan. He can do nothing but win (Insert Charlie Sheen reference here). He never accepts defeat, therefore he never loses and that's what makes him the best leader, and the best Spartan. Also, the whole Luck thing.

  • 04.24.2011 7:29 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa
Why would Linda make more sense to you? I personally don't really see anything in her that would make her able to achieve that rating, Fred perhaps, but I think the intention of the trailer was for it to be the Chief. Even before Reach he had done some impressive -blam!-, all those medals he got have to mean something after all. :P


Well, it was her ability with the sniper which made me think that.

Though, IMO, those medals aren't that impressive, least in my theory.

Why do I say that? Cause chief was a team leader so he was always with a group of Spartans. So a group has the same amount of deployments as he does, and most likely got a similar medal chest.

It's mainly my personal view. Any Spartan, given cortana and same gear, could do some/most of what Chief did. They'd have varying levels of success, some doing it better and others worse.

Somebody like Six (IMO) could do better due to not being affected by the fighting as the only Spartan.

  • 04.24.2011 8:26 PM PDT