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Subject: Master Chief, the Best Spartan?

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Posted by: Apocalypse 1313
The others, especially FoR, took a steaming dump over canon.


Pffffffftttt, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

No, Fall of Reach CREATED the Halo canon.

  • 04.25.2011 3:46 AM PDT

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March 3, 2553


Posted by: Dustin 6047
Technically according to Dr. Halsey he was average among the Spartans, but in one of the Reach trailers, it is implied that he, along with 6, are the only Spartans with the rating: Hyper Leathal, if I'm spelling it right.


He was lucky.

  • 04.25.2011 4:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Apocalypse 1313
The others, especially FoR, took a steaming dump over canon.


Pffffffftttt, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

No, Fall of Reach CREATED the Halo canon.


Its just sad that Reach had to ruin all the canon.

  • 04.25.2011 4:46 AM PDT
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i always thought MC was the best spartan until i played reach, when carter said he looked into noble 6's records and didn't want the lone wolf stuff. (that means he must have been good??)

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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

The other Hyper lethal spartan isn't a spartan III,why?Because Halsey doesn't even knows about other sIII's in that time,except Noble.

So that leaves us at the surviving sII's in that time.
I say it's without a doubt 117,because he and Noble are the only spartans that appeared in Bungies games.And as we know from Bungie,they will never mention a spartan from the books if 80 percent of Halo fans never read a Halo book.
Just like the master chief easter egg in the autumn,we though it was Linda because it made perfectly sense but Bungie confirmed it's the chief.


He is equal to them all,unless you pit the chief in a sniper fight to Linda or a race against Kelly.

They let me pick. Did I ever tell you that? Choose whichever Spartan I wanted. You know me. I did my research. Watched as you became the soldier we needed you to be. Like the others, you were strong and swift and brave. A natural leader. But you had something they didn't. Something no one saw, but me. Can you guess...? Luck

People say the chiefs only speciality is his luck,so therefor he isn't the strongest.How flawed is that argument,Linda's speciality is sniping(ONE speciality) but then people turn around and say she might be the best of them all.The irony at this one is large enough to kill a berserking Brute.

Then there is also that quote i gave from Halo evolutions poem that says the chief is aboved all others.

Fastest:Kelly
Strongest:Sam
Best sniper:Linda
Bravest:John
Luckiest:John
CQC:????

Um, chief got captured by them once. If it wasn't for Kurt he would be dead.

Chief's campaign as a TEAM LEADER was impressive. But alone? Not so much.

Six's fight against the rebels is far more impressive then Chief's.


Chief,Fred,Kelly and Linda.Kurt wasn't because of his badass thing to sense out traps.

When Chief was a lone wolf,he was impressive too.fighting through High charity,two times alone.Or Half of Halo CE when he fought alone against entire hordes of flood,covies and sentinels.Sometimes he ran into a room and fought dozens of them at the same time.
His lone wolf carreer was far more impressive the Six lone wolf carreer.

Somebody like Six (IMO) could do better due to not being affected by the fighting as the only Spartan.

Speculatio,for all we know a Flood form would kill him and luck won't safe him
*point to Reach*

Fighting innies is impressive,but fighting the flood,covenant and sentinels is a different story.The only spartans who were near Chiefs impressive records were Red team in Halo wars.



Cortana overloaded the Unyielding Hierophants generators and Vice Admiral Danforth Whitcomb baited the COvenant armada towards the Hierophant with a message saying he had a valuable Forerunner Slipspace crystal.

Let's do it in your logic too.Whitcomb couldn't do that without ascedant justice and Haverson,at least MC fought the enemies face to face.If it not were for MC's skills,cortana would have died too,both are linked.
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  • 04.25.2011 5:33 AM PDT
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Again, Chief is not the best Spartan-II.

If he was, then he could be classified as hyper lethal. Until then, he's just quite possibly the luckiest like Halsey had said.

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Posted by: manwith
Again, Chief is not the best Spartan-II.

If he was, then he could be classified as hyper lethal. Until then, he's just quite possibly the luckiest like Halsey had said.


Then who is the best spartan II in your eyes?

Like i said before master chief is the only likely one to be hyper lethal alongside Six,Bungie would never mention unknown spartans as most the gamers don't even know who Fred or Kurt is.

Cortana disagrees with you on that last point.

  • 04.25.2011 5:48 AM PDT
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I'm gonna finish it. Just like Jigga did to the pyramid.

nope. I'm the best spartan. I've beaten Lone Wolf LASO (blind off)

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Posted by: manwith
Again, Chief is not the best Spartan-II.

If he was, then he could be classified as hyper lethal. Until then, he's just quite possibly the luckiest like Halsey had said.


Then who is the best spartan II in your eyes?

Like i said before master chief is the only likely one to be hyper lethal alongside Six,Bungie would never mention unknown spartans as most the gamers don't even know who Fred or Kurt is.

Cortana disagrees with you on that last point.


I have said it before but Fred.

He's the only guy who I can consider to be the best and also the luckiest Spartan-II (or 2nd luckiest, quite irony eh?)

He's just simply amazing at everything. Killing brutes with his bare hands and taking 3 Elites at once alone with only his knife. He's also the 2nd best sniper and a great leader as well.

He's still alive despite fighting on Reach, Earth and Onyx, something I would have been surprised to see John managing all the way against overwhelming odds with or without backup.

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Posted by: manwith
Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: manwith
Again, Chief is not the best Spartan-II.

If he was, then he could be classified as hyper lethal. Until then, he's just quite possibly the luckiest like Halsey had said.


Then who is the best spartan II in your eyes?

Like i said before master chief is the only likely one to be hyper lethal alongside Six,Bungie would never mention unknown spartans as most the gamers don't even know who Fred or Kurt is.

Cortana disagrees with you on that last point.


I have said it before but Fred.

He's the only guy who I can consider to be the best and also the luckiest Spartan-II (or 2nd luckiest, quite irony eh?)

He's just simply amazing at everything. Killing brutes with his bare hands and taking 3 Elites at once alone with only his knife. He's also the 2nd best sniper and a great leader as well.

He's still alive despite fighting on Reach, Earth and Onyx, something I would have been surprised to see John managing all the way against overwhelming odds with or without backup.


He isn't the luckiest:

They let me pick. Did I ever tell you that? Choose whichever Spartan I wanted. You know me. I did my research. Watched as you became the soldier we needed you to be. Like the others, you were strong and swift and brave. A natural leader. But you had something they didn't. Something no one saw, but me. Can you guess...? Luck
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I don't remember Fred killnig Brutes with his bare hands.In ghosts of Onyx he avoided a Brute at close range,because it's dangerous.And in the elevator a Brute struck him ,but Fred got saved by Linda(from my memories anyway).

He is the second best sniper in Blue Team,not the entire spartan II unit.I think you got that info from their game with Tango?

On your third point,Fred fought all the time alongside his team on those 3 instances you mentioned,117 however had lots of lone encounters in the Halo games.Like how many times he killed two hunters alone,got hit by a fuel rod but managed to fight and kill them.



  • 04.25.2011 6:18 AM PDT

When in the book was chief ever hit directly hit a fuel rod?

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
When in the book was chief ever hit directly hit a fuel rod?


Several time in the flood,and one time in First strike.But in FS both he and his spartans survived that except Kelly.

The flood on pg 105 and pg 143.
http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=292109

  • 04.25.2011 7:25 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: OrderedComa
Why would Linda make more sense to you? I personally don't really see anything in her that would make her able to achieve that rating, Fred perhaps, but I think the intention of the trailer was for it to be the Chief. Even before Reach he had done some impressive -blam!-, all those medals he got have to mean something after all. :P


Well, it was her ability with the sniper which made me think that.

Though, IMO, those medals aren't that impressive, least in my theory.

Why do I say that? Cause chief was a team leader so he was always with a group of Spartans. So a group has the same amount of deployments as he does, and most likely got a similar medal chest.

It's mainly my personal view. Any Spartan, given cortana and same gear, could do some/most of what Chief did. They'd have varying levels of success, some doing it better and others worse.

Somebody like Six (IMO) could do better due to not being affected by the fighting as the only Spartan.


Ah I see. True, other Spartans probably are pretty decorated as well. I don't think being a leader as his specialty makes Chief perform any worse though, well at first it kind of did, but I think any other Spartan would go through similar difficulties at first, they'd all been working as teams. So I think if Chief's roll was switched with someone else they'd have just as much difficulty working solo as he did. Linda may be the exception since she tended to be a lone wolf, though she would have difficulties at first too for different reasons, imo, she'd have to adapt from being primarily a sniper to having to do a lot of CQB or hand-to-hand combat.

Six probably would have less difficulty working alone, since that's all she's done before, but I think she'd have difficulty at first transitioning to a team environment, but that's irrelevant :P

  • 04.25.2011 9:12 AM PDT

Yeah, Each Spartan would have some point where they adapt and get shoved from their comfort zone. Such as Linda being CQB, Fred at longer ranges, Chief being alone, etc.

I'm completely serious about this line though. I've been outright told Six, a lone wolf, cannot do what Chief did in certain areas as good/better then him. Basically, the guy yelled at me a lone wolf cannot do what a team leader did alone...

  • 04.25.2011 9:49 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

I'd really have to say Noble Six is the best Spartan. As a lone wolf, he has an amazing record. Breaking up entire rebel groups, piloting Sabre's, and performing assassinations undetected. Not only that, but his actions speak for themselves on Reach.

He only died because it was him vs an advancing Covenant army with no exac.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yeah, Each Spartan would have some point where they adapt and get shoved from their comfort zone. Such as Linda being CQB, Fred at longer ranges, Chief being alone, etc.


Fred was the 2nd best sniper behind only Linda...how would long range be out of his comfort zone?

Fred has no weaknesses and because of that he is IMO the best Spartan

  • 04.25.2011 10:27 AM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yeah, Each Spartan would have some point where they adapt and get shoved from their comfort zone. Such as Linda being CQB, Fred at longer ranges, Chief being alone, etc.


Fred was the 2nd best sniper behind only Linda...how would long range be out of his comfort zone?

Fred has no weaknesses and because of that he is IMO the best Spartan


Bleh, been a while since I've read the books honestly, was going off what others said concerning him being awesome at CQC.

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Master chief is a -blam!- -blam!-.noble six would own him any day,any hours any second with just looknig at him.

Master chief ain't nothing on a true spartan he is weak as -blam!- and isn't the best spartan,sucks at everything too.

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Posted by: Mass Cat
Master chief is a -blam!- -blam!-.noble six would own him any day,any hours any second with just looknig at him.

Master chief ain't nothing on a true spartan he is weak as -blam!- and isn't the best spartan,sucks at everything too.



Oh the irony
*looks at the profile picture*

First of all :

Pg 270
...nor the fastest nor the strongest of the spartans.But he is the bravest-and quite possibly the luckiest.And in my opinion, he is the best.Yes,Cortana whispered.


This quote confirms what many others said,fastest goes to Kelly,strongest to Sam or Jorge,smartest to unknown,...but John is the bravest,luckiest and the best.Something both Cortana and Halsey agreed on.

Then the poem from Halo Evolutions supports this.


Thus came a "Demon"-a hero, a soldier, a man. One

Spartan above all others; equal but for one defining

factor-one immeasurable advantage
. Like his brothers

and sisters, he was trained to fight, to win, a master of the

latest weapons of war. But Spartan-117, the Master Chief,

had one intangible asset few others possessed-luck.


Added to an unmatched drive to win-whether it be a

simple game, or heated combat-Spartan-117's uncanny

combination of finely honed skills and unprecedented

good fortune made for the ultimate warrior in a battle

against impossible odds
.


Never one to give in, never one to relent
, the Master Chief, and each of his fellow Spartans, did more than

engage the enemy; they delivered hope-with each burst

of gunfire, with every battle won.


This pretty much confirms that he is the best of them all.But offcourse,Kelly will outrun him,Linda snipes him ,Sam kills him with his strenght.

Is he the best leader of them all?Quite possibly,it's him who united the spartan II's in that forest,he lead them.



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  • 04.25.2011 11:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


While all these points are 100% valid, you're undervaluing the role of Leadership. Although leadership is somewhat 'invisible' compared to a skill such as Linda's sniping ability, Leadership is often touted as just an important skill.

I'd argue that besides the 'luck' that MC has experienced, he's a born leader of whatever team he's a part of.

  • 04.25.2011 12:30 PM PDT


Posted by: Dj Liamo
Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


While all these points are 100% valid, you're undervaluing the role of Leadership. Although leadership is somewhat 'invisible' compared to a skill such as Linda's sniping ability, Leadership is often touted as just an important skill.

I'd argue that besides the 'luck' that MC has experienced, he's a born leader of whatever team he's a part of.


Leadership is indeed a major character trait and a very effect skill.

However, when he's fighting as the only Spartan and not in the squad, it's slightly nullified.

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Prove me wrong.
I dare you.
My logic is undeniable.

Posted by: manwith
Again, Chief is not the best Spartan-II.

If he was, then he could be classified as hyper lethal. Until then, he's just quite possibly the luckiest like Halsey had said.


He IS the Hyper-Lethal vector. See for yourself. Check my posts.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Astinous
Posted by: manwith
Again, Chief is not the best Spartan-II.

If he was, then he could be classified as hyper lethal. Until then, he's just quite possibly the luckiest like Halsey had said.


He IS the Hyper-Lethal vector. See for yourself. Check my posts.


It has never said anywhere that spartans got ratings nonetheless what rating.

  • 04.25.2011 2:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Astinous
Posted by: manwith
Again, Chief is not the best Spartan-II.

If he was, then he could be classified as hyper lethal. Until then, he's just quite possibly the luckiest like Halsey had said.


He IS the Hyper-Lethal vector. See for yourself. Check my posts.


Wiki link.

Again, it can easily be edited to go straight to Jenkins, or yap yap.

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Beauty is not subjective. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
Prove me wrong.
I dare you.
My logic is undeniable.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
Posted by: manwith
Again, Chief is not the best Spartan-II.

If he was, then he could be classified as hyper lethal. Until then, he's just quite possibly the luckiest like Halsey had said.


He IS the Hyper-Lethal vector. See for yourself. Check my posts.


Wiki link.

Again, it can easily be edited to go straight to Jenkins, or yap yap.


Oh, -blam!- you. I know that no matter what I'll say, your opinions won't change, so I'll stop arguing with you.

  • 04.25.2011 2:55 PM PDT