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Subject: Master Chief, the Best Spartan?

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Astinous
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Posted by: manwith
Again, Chief is not the best Spartan-II.

If he was, then he could be classified as hyper lethal. Until then, he's just quite possibly the luckiest like Halsey had said.


He IS the Hyper-Lethal vector. See for yourself. Check my posts.


Wiki link.

Again, it can easily be edited to go straight to Jenkins, or yap yap.


Oh, -blam!- you. I know that no matter what I'll say, your opinions won't change, so I'll stop arguing with you.

Then you lose the debate.

  • 04.25.2011 2:58 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Halopedia has no source for the claim that Chief is the other Hyper Lethal Vector. Therefore, you linking us to that, is just a waste of time.

  • 04.25.2011 2:59 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: privet caboose
Halopedia has no source for the claim that Chief is the other Hyper Lethal Vector. Therefore, you linking us to that, is just a waste of time.

You'd think folks would understand that by now.

  • 04.25.2011 3:01 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


"They let me pick. Did I ever tell you that? Chose whichever Spartan I wanted. You know me. I did my research, watched as you became the soldier we needed you to be. Like the others, you were strong, and swift, and brave. A natural leader. But you had something they didn't. Something no one saw, but me.
Can you guess?

Luck."

-Cortana
Opening cutscene
__Halo 3

[Edited on 04.25.2011 3:27 PM PDT]

  • 04.25.2011 3:27 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

John is, by all means, the everyman of the Spartans. That's something which is common among protagonists, especially the name John. He's meant to just be nothing remarkable for what he is, but still do amazing things. It makes people appreciate him more. No-one really wants to hear a story about the best guy being effortlessly the best at what he does. That's why practically everything is based around the everyman, like Master Chief.

In the end though, he pretty much is the best Spartan overall.

  • 04.25.2011 3:40 PM PDT

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Will's hand-to-hand is unparalleled (though Fred comes close), Linda is a phenomenal shot. They both could kill John. Hell, even 6 could have, if he had the chance.

  • 04.25.2011 3:42 PM PDT

Leader of the Deadly Viper Squad

John was a great leader. He lead and out-ranked the other Spartans. He can be seen as the best of them in that respect. He also got the job done. He was a jack of all trades, but perhaps a master of none. But he did survive better than most Spartans.

[Edited on 04.25.2011 4:01 PM PDT]

  • 04.25.2011 3:59 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: privet caboose
Halopedia has no source for the claim that Chief is the other Hyper Lethal Vector. Therefore, you linking us to that, is just a waste of time.

You'd think folks would understand that by now.


Exactly my point.

  • 04.25.2011 4:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: privet caboose
Halopedia has no source for the claim that Chief is the other Hyper Lethal Vector. Therefore, you linking us to that, is just a waste of time.

You'd think folks would understand that by now.


Exactly my point.


There will always be someone that doesn't understand this. If it's on a wiki and there's a "source" linked to it that person will always treat it as "fact" from the get go without a second thought even if the link in question leads to something completely irrelevant like -blam!-, WHICH, has happened once, not for Halo mind you but the general situation still happens......

My favorite instance is when someone tried to argue that the re-entry pack that Six uses in Long Night of Solace is an armor lock that can function in mid air and visually looks the same as armor lock in game and then proceeded to link me to Halopedia saying that the source was "cited". Turns out the "source" simply says "Halo:Reach, Long Night of Solace" nothing more nothing less....

  • 04.25.2011 4:26 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Halopedia has no source for the claim that Chief is the other Hyper Lethal Vector. Therefore, you linking us to that, is just a waste of time.


I'd be very much inclined to agree. Halopedia is not always accurate, so it shouldn't be trusted implicitly, however I don't think it's as unreliable or untrustworthy as everyone makes it out to be.

But yeah, even though I think Chief is the best Spartan and the other Hyper Lethal Vector, I wouldn't use Halopedia as a source to back my claim up.

  • 04.25.2011 4:27 PM PDT

The grass is not always greener, even with SF

Chief may not be the fastest, strongest, or best shot; but he was very good at all those things. He was a Jack of all trades. The most well rounded. He had the determination to win and be the best more than all the rest, which was actually viewed as a negative issue when he first joined due to the lack of teamwork he demonstrated at first.

His "average" spartan abilities are so that we the gamer can relate to him. We are average in many ways. But we can all achieve greatly depending on our mind set. If we have the determination to achieve then we can do anything. Just like John.

-John 117 was and is the best spartan II

  • 04.25.2011 4:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: ODST Hill Top
Chief may not be the fastest, strongest, or best shot; but he was very good at all those things. He was a Jack of all trades. The most well rounded. He had the determination to win and be the best more than all the rest, which was actually viewed as a negative issue when he first joined due to the lack of teamwork he demonstrated at first.

His "average" spartan abilities are so that we the gamer can relate to him. We are average in many ways. But we can all achieve greatly depending on our mind set. If we have the determination to achieve then we can do anything. Just like John.

-John 117 was and is the best spartan II

And Noble Six isn't a Jack-of-all-trades?

  • 04.25.2011 4:45 PM PDT

I would say that Master Chief is the best Spartan. He was a jack-of-all trades, not to mention he had luck, was the Spartan leader, and did the most to "save the day." Kurt or Fred would probably be number 2.

[Edited on 04.25.2011 4:54 PM PDT]

  • 04.25.2011 4:52 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: h4x3er
I would say that Master Chief is the best Spartan. He was a jack-of-all trades, not to mention he had luck, was the Spartan leader, and did the most to "save the day." Kurt or Fred would probably be number 2.

I it wasn't for Noble Six, Chief would be dead. Cortana did a lot of Chief's heavy lifting.

  • 04.25.2011 4:55 PM PDT
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I wonder who the other Spartans would say was the best among them.....I would be wiling to bet they would say the Chief.

  • 04.25.2011 4:58 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
I wonder who the other Spartans would say was the best among them.....I would be wiling to bet they would say the Chief.

Spartans aren't glory hogs.

  • 04.25.2011 4:59 PM PDT

don't understand how this topic ends up appearing so often, how anyone can argue that 117 is not the best SPARTAN is beyond me.

  • 04.25.2011 5:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
don't understand how this topic ends up appearing so often, how anyone can argue that 117 is not the best SPARTAN is beyond me.

Because by himself he is mediocre and he is only badass when Cortana is aiding him.

  • 04.25.2011 5:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
I wonder who the other Spartans would say was the best among them.....I would be wiling to bet they would say the Chief.

Spartans aren't glory hogs.

Never said they were.

They all respect John as the best of the best.

  • 04.25.2011 5:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
I wonder who the other Spartans would say was the best among them.....I would be wiling to bet they would say the Chief.

Spartans aren't glory hogs.

Never said they were.

They all respect John as the best of the best.

Never read that. They have a high regard for him, but I doubt they think he is the best.

  • 04.25.2011 5:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
don't understand how this topic ends up appearing so often, how anyone can argue that 117 is not the best SPARTAN is beyond me.

Because by himself he is mediocre and he is only badass when Cortana is aiding him.

Where was Cortana when he was fighting thru The library? The Battle of the Forerunner ship? Flood Infected High Charity?

Yep. Those displays of fighting prowess were quite Mediocre. /Sarcasm.

  • 04.25.2011 5:15 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
don't understand how this topic ends up appearing so often, how anyone can argue that 117 is not the best SPARTAN is beyond me.

Because by himself he is mediocre and he is only badass when Cortana is aiding him.

Where was Cortana when he was fighting thru The library? The Battle of the Forerunner ship? Flood Infected High Charity?

Yep. Those displays of fighting prowess were quite Mediocre. /Sarcasm.

A Sergeant made it as far as Chief did, so I'm not that impressed, he also had Spark's help. On the Forerunner ship, he had to stay stealthy, no go guns blazing, and even then he failed to kill Truth. I'll give you the Flood infected High Charity, but the Arbiter eventually came to aid him.

  • 04.25.2011 5:20 PM PDT

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I'm sorry, I didn't read the forum post. But judging for the title, Master Chief seems like the best Spartan; But truthfully, he's not. The Halo novels just make him sound like the best character in the Halo Universe, which I would slightly agree with.

  • 04.25.2011 5:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
don't understand how this topic ends up appearing so often, how anyone can argue that 117 is not the best SPARTAN is beyond me.

Because by himself he is mediocre and he is only badass when Cortana is aiding him.

Where was Cortana when he was fighting thru The library? The Battle of the Forerunner ship? Flood Infected High Charity?

Yep. Those displays of fighting prowess were quite Mediocre. /Sarcasm.

A Sergeant made it as far as Chief did, so I'm not that impressed, he also had Spark's help. On the Forerunner ship, he had to stay stealthy, no go guns blazing, and even then he failed to kill Truth. I'll give you the Flood infected High Charity, but the Arbiter eventually came to aid him.

Yep. Pretty low key stealth

  • 04.25.2011 5:34 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
don't understand how this topic ends up appearing so often, how anyone can argue that 117 is not the best SPARTAN is beyond me.

Because by himself he is mediocre and he is only badass when Cortana is aiding him.

Where was Cortana when he was fighting thru The library? The Battle of the Forerunner ship? Flood Infected High Charity?

Yep. Those displays of fighting prowess were quite Mediocre. /Sarcasm.

A Sergeant made it as far as Chief did, so I'm not that impressed, he also had Spark's help. On the Forerunner ship, he had to stay stealthy, no go guns blazing, and even then he failed to kill Truth. I'll give you the Flood infected High Charity, but the Arbiter eventually came to aid him.

Yep. Pretty low key stealth

My mistake, I meant hit-and-hide stealth. The reason he didn't kill Truth is because he wasn't very stealthy. Besides, Noble Six could've done everything Chief did.

  • 04.25.2011 5:38 PM PDT