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Subject: Master Chief, the Best Spartan?

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Fatal Factor
"....you know me, i did my research, watched as you became the soldier we needed you to be. Like the other you were strong and swift and brave, a natural leader, but you had something they didnt something no one saw but me. Can you guess?

Luck."


I still think Cortana chose John because she was made out of Halsey's brain and thus, inherited Halsey's favoritism for John.


That's probably a part of it, but there is no denying that Master Chief has an unspeakable amount of luck.


Indeed, although like I've said before he is not my favorite Spartan (mainly because of his god-like status among the fans), my favorite Spartan would have to be either Linda, Fred or Kurt.

  • 04.27.2011 8:14 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: CowPieSky32
There is no such thing as luck. Master Chief's "luck" is his ability to avoid being killed, and his instinct for being right. At the end of the day every Spartan has failed, Expect Spartan 117. You are of no use to the UNSC if you are dead.


Failed what? and John would be dead if it wasn't for Kurt.


I think a Spartan failure is when you are unable to be a Spartan for the UNSC whether it being "MIA", really being MIA or being disfigured from augmentations so thinking about it I suppose John is currently a failure too. But he is the one I have the most faith in being able to return and fight unlike those trapped in Onyx's core.

[Edited on 04.27.2011 8:36 PM PDT]

  • 04.27.2011 8:35 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: CowPieSky32

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: CowPieSky32
There is no such thing as luck. Master Chief's "luck" is his ability to avoid being killed, and his instinct for being right. At the end of the day every Spartan has failed, Expect Spartan 117. You are of no use to the UNSC if you are dead.


Failed what? and John would be dead if it wasn't for Kurt.


I think a Spartan failure is when you are unable to be a Spartan for the UNSC whether it being "MIA", really being MIA or being disfigured from augmentations so thinking about it I suppose John is currently a failure too. But he is the one I have the most faith in being able to return and fight unlike those trapped in Onyx's core.


Considering the fact that Halsey is with them, I am putting my money on their side.

  • 04.27.2011 8:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: CowPieSky32
There is no such thing as luck. Master Chief's "luck" is his ability to avoid being killed, and his instinct for being right.

Everything that has ever happened in the universe is due to a series of events that have each been caused by a preceding series of events which can be traced back to the big bang with enough effort. There is no true randomness, but there is still luck.

While everything is caused by real events some events are so far beyond someone's (John's) control that they become luck. If an elite on Alpha Halo missed its equivalent of a morning cup of coffee its reactions would be a split second slower. This could cause it to see John a split second later causing him to rush a shot, missing and saving John's life.

This hypothetical event was in no way random. It was caused by a series of traceable events. Since these events were beyond John's control they are luck.

At the end of the day every Spartan has failed, Expect Spartan 117. You are of no use to the UNSC if you are dead.
Tell that to Kurt.

  • 04.27.2011 8:48 PM PDT

Master Chief wasn't particularly special. But he was naturally "lucky" and he had Cortana, who did most of the planning and really important computer work. That's why he kicked so much ass

[Edited on 04.27.2011 9:30 PM PDT]

  • 04.27.2011 9:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: Astinous
It'll only get you killed if you stay behind and let them kill you. If you follow orders, those orders might tell you to stay in the battlefield, and you won't live to fight another day.


Never following orders gets you nowhere. You won't be picked for any important missions. You won't advance in rank or skill.

You sound half like a coward honestly.

"Orders might tell you to stay in the battlefield." what if the orders are to hold the line for the reinforcements to arrive? Or to hold the line till civilians can be evaced and an evac transport reach you?

From what I gather, you'd run at the first chance. Some unleashed unstoppable warrior you are.


I don't need orders to know what is the right thing to do. I wouldn't run, I would find a comfortable shooting position, and have my way with the enemy. Rank doesn't matter. It's an illusion. Dominance isn't. If you need a badge to show you have authority over other people, you lack it in the first place. That badge and that designation are the only thing stopping an actual, born leader from taking command.
And you don't seem to get how skill works. You hone it. If you don't have it in the first place, you work your ass off to get it, if the spark needed to light the fuse is there in the first place.

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Posted by: Astinous
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Posted by: Astinous
It'll only get you killed if you stay behind and let them kill you. If you follow orders, those orders might tell you to stay in the battlefield, and you won't live to fight another day.


Never following orders gets you nowhere. You won't be picked for any important missions. You won't advance in rank or skill.

You sound half like a coward honestly.

"Orders might tell you to stay in the battlefield." what if the orders are to hold the line for the reinforcements to arrive? Or to hold the line till civilians can be evaced and an evac transport reach you?

From what I gather, you'd run at the first chance. Some unleashed unstoppable warrior you are.


I don't need orders to know what is the right thing to do. I wouldn't run, I would find a comfortable shooting position, and have my way with the enemy. Rank doesn't matter. It's an illusion. Dominance isn't. If you need a badge to show you have authority over other people, you lack it in the first place. That badge and that designation are the only thing stopping an actual, born leader from taking command.
And you don't seem to get how skill works. You hone it. If you don't have it in the first place, you work your ass off to get it, if the spark needed to light the fuse is there in the first place.

Dude. Give it a damn rest. What/who you are trying to describe, this "die hard, berserker, unhinged/uninhibited warrior," has no place on a modern battlefield.

You have been clearly defeated by superior logic and reason. You lose.

Good day.

[Edited on 04.27.2011 11:13 PM PDT]

  • 04.27.2011 10:58 PM PDT

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He is the best because we play as him. If we played as a marine they would be the best. But story wise he owns.

  • 04.27.2011 11:11 PM PDT

the way i see it is more of a question kind of like the "noble team is batter than master chief?" the answer to that was more of a question which is more effective one lone spartan or a group of spartans? any way back to the original question i think he is not the best spartan in the world most people see him as a "badass" excuse the language or is it because he`s so lucky? or maybe he seems so good because of cortana? this debate is on multiple blogs, youtube videos, file tags, and as shown here forums i personally think he`s just so lucky example he would have drown in halo 2 if the gravemind hadnt been there to save him when he was floating down. so the question is, is he lucky or a "badass"? once again excuse the language.

  • 04.28.2011 12:14 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

^ Suggesting he cannot swim or takes 90 minutes to reach the surface.

It's down to personal preference at the end of the day, must people see him as the god of Halo because of the way he was depicted in the games, me? I find him to be overrated, but again, that's just me.

  • 04.28.2011 12:20 AM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
^ Suggesting he cannot swim or takes 90 minutes to reach the surface.

It's down to personal preference at the end of the day, must people see him as the god of Halo because of the way he was depicted in the games, me? I find him to be overrated, but again, that's just me.


It was really the release of Reach which reduced my liking of him.

Not because of Noble Team, or seeing other Spartans do as well as him in combat/etc. It was the damn fanboys.

The topics of "Six vs Chief!" or "Noble team vs Chief!" style ones where you just had blind fanboy defenses where he was raised into this unstoppable god of war status. That's where I started disliking him some. I mean, Chief is awesome and all, but he isn't THAT awesome.

  • 04.28.2011 6:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
^ Suggesting he cannot swim or takes 90 minutes to reach the surface.

It's down to personal preference at the end of the day, must people see him as the god of Halo because of the way he was depicted in the games, me? I find him to be overrated, but again, that's just me.


It was really the release of Reach which reduced my liking of him.

Not because of Noble Team, or seeing other Spartans do as well as him in combat/etc. It was the damn fanboys.

The topics of "Six vs Chief!" or "Noble team vs Chief!" style ones where you just had blind fanboy defenses where he was raised into this unstoppable god of war status. That's where I started disliking him some. I mean, Chief is awesome and all, but he isn't THAT awesome.

Same here.

  • 04.28.2011 6:24 AM PDT

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John was perhaps the most balanced Spartan -not counting his luck- making him as good as sniping as running. This also made John the leader, naturally.

  • 04.28.2011 7:05 AM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Fatal Factor
"....you know me, i did my research, watched as you became the soldier we needed you to be. Like the other you were strong and swift and brave, a natural leader, but you had something they didnt something no one saw but me. Can you guess?

Luck."


I still think Cortana chose John because she was made out of Halsey's brain and thus, inherited Halsey's favoritism for John.


That's probably a part of it, but there is no denying that Master Chief has an unspeakable amount of luck.


Indeed, although like I've said before he is not my favorite Spartan (mainly because of his god-like status among the fans), my favorite Spartan would have to be either Linda, Fred or Kurt.


I don't really have a favorite Spartan either, they're all awesome in their own specific way. I just think that Chief so happens to be the best, maybe another Spartan could have done everything he did equally as well, but I don't really think so :/

  • 04.28.2011 7:58 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
^ Suggesting he cannot swim or takes 90 minutes to reach the surface.

It's down to personal preference at the end of the day, must people see him as the god of Halo because of the way he was depicted in the games, me? I find him to be overrated, but again, that's just me.


It was really the release of Reach which reduced my liking of him.

Not because of Noble Team, or seeing other Spartans do as well as him in combat/etc. It was the damn fanboys.

The topics of "Six vs Chief!" or "Noble team vs Chief!" style ones where you just had blind fanboy defenses where he was raised into this unstoppable god of war status. That's where I started disliking him some. I mean, Chief is awesome and all, but he isn't THAT awesome.


Oh yes, I hate that, I just laugh at them both and go along my merry way and don't let them bother me.

  • 04.28.2011 7:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
^ Suggesting he cannot swim or takes 90 minutes to reach the surface.

It's down to personal preference at the end of the day, must people see him as the god of Halo because of the way he was depicted in the games, me? I find him to be overrated, but again, that's just me.


It was really the release of Reach which reduced my liking of him.

Not because of Noble Team, or seeing other Spartans do as well as him in combat/etc. It was the damn fanboys.

The topics of "Six vs Chief!" or "Noble team vs Chief!" style ones where you just had blind fanboy defenses where he was raised into this unstoppable god of war status. That's where I started disliking him some. I mean, Chief is awesome and all, but he isn't THAT awesome.


Oh yes, I hate that, I just laugh at them both and go along my merry way and don't let them bother me.

Agreed. Its best to ignore them so as not to let them catch their stride.

[Edited on 04.29.2011 2:16 PM PDT]

  • 04.29.2011 2:12 PM PDT


Posted by: manwith
Meh, the reason I have no doubt Chief not being the greatest is simply because he does not specialize anything outside of leadership. He also seems to kind of suck at hand to hand combat when comparing Fred, Will and Kelly.


That is true, leadership is his specialty and he has not true other specialties (unless you count luck as one). However, a lack of specialty in all but something intangible such as leadership does not mean that you can't be the best. Remember Chief always took top position in training exercises, that counts for a lot in my book.

On the issue of Chief and hand to hand combat. The encounter with the Elite on Reach Station Gamma is not entirely reliable since the original edition of TFoR claimed Reach was where Elites were first encountered, which has since been retconned, so it would not really be Chief's first encounter with one, and thus he would not be having the "first encounter difficulty" depicted in TFoR. And the only other encounter that Chief has with an Elite (that I remember) is in First Strike on the Ascendant Justice just after he's gone through several days of almost non-stop fighting and he's been wounded quite a bit (I think Halsey even says that it's a wonder he was still standing when she examines him later on the AJ/Gettysburg) plus that Elite had an energy sword and it was close quarters in a rather narrow space. I don't think that any other Spartan would have fared all that better if they were under the same circumstances. And the only other account (that I remember) of Chief really going toe to toe with an enemy in CQB combat is when he encounters Brutes for the first time on the Unyielding Heirophant, and again, it's his first time, he's not going to be an expert in fighting Brutes.

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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: manwith
Meh, the reason I have no doubt Chief not being the greatest is simply because he does not specialize anything outside of leadership. He also seems to kind of suck at hand to hand combat when comparing Fred, Will and Kelly.


That is true, leadership is his specialty and he has not true other specialties (unless you count luck as one). However, a lack of specialty in all but something intangible such as leadership does not mean that you can't be the best. Remember Chief always took top position in training exercises, that counts for a lot in my book.

On the issue of Chief and hand to hand combat. The encounter with the Elite on Reach Station Gamma is not entirely reliable since the original edition of TFoR claimed Reach was where Elites were first encountered, which has since been retconned, so it would not really be Chief's first encounter with one, and thus he would not be having the "first encounter difficulty" depicted in TFoR. And the only other encounter that Chief has with an Elite (that I remember) is in First Strike on the Ascendant Justice just after he's gone through several days of almost non-stop fighting and he's been wounded quite a bit (I think Halsey even says that it's a wonder he was still standing when she examines him later on the AJ/Gettysburg) plus that Elite had an energy sword and it was close quarters in a rather narrow space. I don't think that any other Spartan would have fared all that better if they were under the same circumstances. And the only other account (that I remember) of Chief really going toe to toe with an enemy in CQB combat is when he encounters Brutes for the first time on the Unyielding Heirophant, and again, it's his first time, he's not going to be an expert in fighting Brutes.


Agreed.

Also, that lone elite on the bridge would most likely be a high ranking member of the covenant (Spec Ops, Shipmaster, etc).

  • 05.01.2011 11:46 AM PDT


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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: manwith
Meh, the reason I have no doubt Chief not being the greatest is simply because he does not specialize anything outside of leadership. He also seems to kind of suck at hand to hand combat when comparing Fred, Will and Kelly.


That is true, leadership is his specialty and he has not true other specialties (unless you count luck as one). However, a lack of specialty in all but something intangible such as leadership does not mean that you can't be the best. Remember Chief always took top position in training exercises, that counts for a lot in my book.

On the issue of Chief and hand to hand combat. The encounter with the Elite on Reach Station Gamma is not entirely reliable since the original edition of TFoR claimed Reach was where Elites were first encountered, which has since been retconned, so it would not really be Chief's first encounter with one, and thus he would not be having the "first encounter difficulty" depicted in TFoR. And the only other encounter that Chief has with an Elite (that I remember) is in First Strike on the Ascendant Justice just after he's gone through several days of almost non-stop fighting and he's been wounded quite a bit (I think Halsey even says that it's a wonder he was still standing when she examines him later on the AJ/Gettysburg) plus that Elite had an energy sword and it was close quarters in a rather narrow space. I don't think that any other Spartan would have fared all that better if they were under the same circumstances. And the only other account (that I remember) of Chief really going toe to toe with an enemy in CQB combat is when he encounters Brutes for the first time on the Unyielding Heirophant, and again, it's his first time, he's not going to be an expert in fighting Brutes.


Agreed.

Also, that lone elite on the bridge would most likely be a high ranking member of the covenant (Spec Ops, Shipmaster, etc).


yeah, and pretty much everybody agrees that any Spartan would have a tougher time with the higher ranking Elites such as Zealots etc. I don't know where Spec Ops Elites would fit though :/

  • 05.01.2011 2:43 PM PDT


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Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


Yes but they all went "MIA" Chief dident also i dont think they could of done what he did one reason and one reason only the writers made him the hero of the books and games


Chief didn't go MIA, he went KIA. After the Arbiter returned, they all thought he died. That's enough for me, rather be MIA than KIA.


All the spartans that are MIA are dead except for a few. Master Chief was only listed KIA cause the war was over and they dident need to keep up the lie that spartans could not die. Also the Arbiter dident think that the Chief was dead he said when Hood said Its hard to believe he's dead The Arbiter Were it so easy. And in you key words they all "Thought he died" all of the higher ups knew that most of the spartans were dead

  • 06.09.2011 12:57 AM PDT

Who's awesome? ^ this guy.

Master Chief in my opinion is the best. Not because of his fighting skills, but because of his luck, and the fact he's a bad ass since he doesn't talk much, and when he does, he has the deep badass clint eastwood style of talking. Master chief is a hero to me, an inspiration, even know he isn't real, it doesn't stop me from loving out badass and risk taking he can be.

Like in halo 2 when we flew through outspace with the covenants bomb and practically blew up another covenant ship with it. Kurt, Linda, or kelly wouldn't have done such a thing, because they don't take as big of risks as John does normally.

  • 06.09.2011 1:06 AM PDT


Posted by: kit_103
Posted by: Apocalypse 1313
Grey.

Are you high? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT REPRESENTS HALO


It really depends on the person honestly. To the mass of people that don't read the books or get into the lore, then yeah. It's about a lone space-marine trying to save the galaxy from certain annihilation.

But to those that get into it? Could mean anything really. Of course, to some people that get into the lore, the above it still true to them.



Just want to get one thing straight he is not a -blam!- space-marine he is part of the Navy not the Marine Corp there is no Rank of Master Chief in the Marine Corp thats all i cared about

  • 06.09.2011 1:21 AM PDT

Who's awesome? ^ this guy.

Posted by: Tramdor1

Posted by: kit_103
Posted by: Apocalypse 1313
Grey.

Are you high? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT REPRESENTS HALO


It really depends on the person honestly. To the mass of people that don't read the books or get into the lore, then yeah. It's about a lone space-marine trying to save the galaxy from certain annihilation.

But to those that get into it? Could mean anything really. Of course, to some people that get into the lore, the above it still true to them.



Just want to get one thing straight he is not a -blam!- space-marine he is part of the Navy not the Marine Corp there is no Rank of Master Chief in the Marine Corp thats all i cared about


Actually he is a marine. It's the UNSC, all branches have practically combined and so has every nation. USMC and Navy now-a-days are sister branches, in the future they are bound to combine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Chief_(Halo)

This also supports my argument.

[Edited on 06.09.2011 1:25 AM PDT]

  • 06.09.2011 1:23 AM PDT


Posted by: ALI217
nope. I'm the best spartan. I've beaten Lone Wolf LASO (blind off)


Nice I bow to your awesomeness

  • 06.09.2011 1:29 AM PDT


Posted by: Magneesium
Posted by: Tramdor1

Posted by: kit_103
Posted by: Apocalypse 1313
Grey.

Are you high? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT REPRESENTS HALO


It really depends on the person honestly. To the mass of people that don't read the books or get into the lore, then yeah. It's about a lone space-marine trying to save the galaxy from certain annihilation.

But to those that get into it? Could mean anything really. Of course, to some people that get into the lore, the above it still true to them.



Just want to get one thing straight he is not a -blam!- space-marine he is part of the Navy not the Marine Corp there is no Rank of Master Chief in the Marine Corp thats all i cared about


Actually he is a marine. It's the UNSC, all branches have practically combined and so has every nation. USMC and Navy now-a-days are sister branches, in the future they are bound to combine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Chief_(Halo)

This also supports my argument.


He is not a Marine i forget which book but i remember a Marine saying im glad we have this Swabby with us or something like that. Marines give that nickname to Sailors in the Navy if anything the Spartans are more like Navy Seals and they branches of the Military are seperate just like they are know there is an Army not sure about Air Force a Navy for sure and Marine Corp

[Edited on 06.09.2011 2:14 AM PDT]

  • 06.09.2011 2:10 AM PDT