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Subject: Master Chief, the Best Spartan?

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Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


Look i understand where you're coming from, Kurt was amazing, kurt was great, and he had a skill: he was smart, he was sociable.
But, understand what Cortana said: "i do know how to pick 'em." she says this when the master chief picks her up in the halo 3 level Cortana, respectively. this leads me to assume, leads many people to assume, that John is perhaps the greatest. I mean look at the facts: Cortana is the most intelligent AI ever created and she knew what she was doing. The Chief was THE leader of the Spartans, and he had the best track record. Cpo Mendez thought highly of him, Halsey thought he was "the best" to reference the gentleman on the first page, and Cortana chose him because she saw something in him the others didn't have.
Although I have looked at one aspect "the chief is the greatest," there are other aspects to look at. But i believe that there is a reason we cannot make a definitive answer about this: we have not seen every single spartan, so a judgment cannot be made. If we had seen every Spartans skill set maybe we could.
However my personal opinion on this matter is that, of the spartans we have seen, there are TWO Spartans who are the greatest: Sam, and John. Sam sacrificed himself to destroy the first covenant ship in a boarding engagement. he was able to save John and Kelly, and the other ship that was coming under fire from the covenant ship. Sam was a hero, he saved so many lives, he was the first spartan "martyr." then there is John who saved the galaxy, perhaps even the universe, from the flood and the covenant.
this is my reasoning.

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  • 06.13.2011 8:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: hotshot revan II
Oh and would any spartan jump into space with a covenant bomb?



Yes, they all definitely would. Every Spartan was trained to do was meant to be done.

  • 06.13.2011 9:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


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Posted by: Dustin 6047
Technically according to Dr. Halsey he was average among the Spartans, but in one of the Reach trailers, it is implied that he, along with 6, are the only Spartans with the rating: Hyper Leathal, if I'm spelling it right.


It is said that Noble 6 is hyper-lethal, along with one other. It makes no reference of any sort as to who that person is. Considering John's opinion on Spartans, it would likely be Fred. He came in second place in every competition and skill test, and John believes he coulld have come in first but just didn't like the attention. Him, or someone new they will invent.


I'm pretty sure that statement was directed towards the Chief. Reasoning: He's a total badass who has killed around 1,000,000 Covenant soldiers, The Flood, hundreds of Sentinels, a Monitor, thousands of rebels, and blew up a freaking Covenant ship with their own bomb!

  • 06.13.2011 9:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: HaloLegend 117
You are not the strongest,smartest,nor the bravest,but you are the luckiest and in my opinion you are the best.


Dr.Halsey


Dr.Halsey said that.


I still think he was all of the above.

  • 06.13.2011 9:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: manwith
Killing brutes with his bare hands and taking 3 Elites at once alone with only his knife.



I'd be interested to see where you got that information. where in the books did you see that? Just wondering because i personally think fred is a beast

  • 06.13.2011 10:16 PM PDT

If you try to kill me. . . you will kill me.
-Kasey

Linda for life! I think that all the Spartans bring something special to the table.
I just think that overall John's the best.
Not against any one Spartan but overall.

[Edited on 06.13.2011 10:33 PM PDT]

  • 06.13.2011 10:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: manwith
Killing brutes with his bare hands and taking 3 Elites at once alone with only his knife.



I'd be interested to see where you got that information. where in the books did you see that? Just wondering because i personally think fred is a beast


Fred has never killed Brutes in hand to hand.

  • 06.13.2011 10:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Astinous
Yeah, he "lost". But he bested the other 74 Spartans. That seems to be quite self-explanatory. Besides, Halsey's favorite was John. Being the favorite of someone like Halsey pretty much means you've got quite some nerve.


He failed the assignment. Mendez outright went "You didn't win. Your team failed, so you failed."

That alone makes him not the best. He FAILED the first physical assignment.

Halsey's favorite doesn't make him the best. Cortana picking him doesn't make him the favorite. Both were kinda biased toward it. Halsey said herself he wasn't the strongest fastest or smartest.


You're all saying that he didn't win because he didn't work with his team, but isn't the point you're all making that John isn't as good as six because he works better as a team? didn't he win that by himself? he won as a lone wolf. seems to me that would do it.

  • 06.13.2011 10:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: Astinous
Yeah, he "lost". But he bested the other 74 Spartans. That seems to be quite self-explanatory. Besides, Halsey's favorite was John. Being the favorite of someone like Halsey pretty much means you've got quite some nerve.


He failed the assignment. Mendez outright went "You didn't win. Your team failed, so you failed."

That alone makes him not the best. He FAILED the first physical assignment.

Halsey's favorite doesn't make him the best. Cortana picking him doesn't make him the favorite. Both were kinda biased toward it. Halsey said herself he wasn't the strongest fastest or smartest.


You're all saying that he didn't win because he didn't work with his team, but isn't the point you're all making that John isn't as good as six because he works better as a team? didn't he win that by himself? he won as a lone wolf. seems to me that would do it.


John was a brat as a kid, you don't go solo in a team-oriented exercise, if it had been a real situation his teammates would have been killed, thus not making him the best, but rather, the worse for not completing the objective and causing his teammate's deaths.

  • 06.13.2011 11:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Doctor Jensen

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
Yeah, he "lost". But he bested the other 74 Spartans. That seems to be quite self-explanatory. Besides, Halsey's favorite was John. Being the favorite of someone like Halsey pretty much means you've got quite some nerve.


He failed the assignment. Mendez outright went "You didn't win. Your team failed, so you failed."

That alone makes him not the best. He FAILED the first physical assignment.

Halsey's favorite doesn't make him the best. Cortana picking him doesn't make him the favorite. Both were kinda biased toward it. Halsey said herself he wasn't the strongest fastest or smartest.


You're all saying that he didn't win because he didn't work with his team, but isn't the point you're all making that John isn't as good as six because he works better as a team? didn't he win that by himself? he won as a lone wolf. seems to me that would do it.


John was a brat as a kid, you don't go solo in a team-oriented exercise, if it had been a real situation his teammates would have been killed, thus not making him the best, but rather, the worse for not completing the objective and causing his teammate's deaths.


I guess you're right, i suppose I was a little bugged. I mean, i won't lie i love the chief, but john was a brat, no doubt, but he was determined, and seemed to me that, in all honesty, he could have been as good as six. that's it really.

  • 06.13.2011 11:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Doctor Jensen

Posted by: manwith
Killing brutes with his bare hands and taking 3 Elites at once alone with only his knife.



I'd be interested to see where you got that information. where in the books did you see that? Just wondering because i personally think fred is a beast


Fred has never killed Brutes in hand to hand.


Sorry, i really meant the elite part. thanks for pointing that out.

  • 06.13.2011 11:33 PM PDT
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Well, we know Six has better luck with Innes than Chief.

Well, thats also debatable. Chief fought against the Innes for many years and most of his victories/triumphs go unmentioned. However, going back to your argument that "Six could have done everything Chief accomplished", couldn't that argument be flipped?

In other words, "Chief could have done everything Six accomplished".


A lot of his defeats and losses go unmentioned as well. Do you honestly believe Sam was the first SPARTAN that died under his command?

And of course he could've done anything Six did, including dying on the surface of Reach against unbeatable odds. All SPARTANS were exceptional, end of.
Sam died, for memory, on the first mission they were equipped with MJOLNIR, wehn he was 14. I doubt any Spartan had suffered a fatality in battle before he did... and I think it's actually mentioned, several times.

Also, Chief and the rest of Blue Team (bar Kurt) was captured by an Innie general, What's-his-Face (I really should brush up on this...), disabled and opened fire on by .30mm turrets... and only escaped, really due to Kurt. So, I wouldn't say that Chief is a great Innie fighter: Six is definitely better from what we've heard of him.
Covies? I suppose "Lone Wolf" speaks for itself.

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  • 06.15.2011 12:33 AM PDT

Retreating is not cowardly, it's just fighting in a different direction


Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.

You can say he had no strength's (besides luck), but he also had no weaknesses, He was the most balanced Spartan of them all.

  • 06.15.2011 12:37 AM PDT
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The claim that John is better than the rest of the spartan II's(excluding spartans on Onyx) is unfair to the ones that died on reach. I'd like to see John put in the position that some of the rest of the spartan II were put in on reach.

A lot of the spartan's got there life saved but John got his life saved the most.

Kelly was saved by Holly, Kurt was saved by Will the list goes on and on.

But John struggled in fighting against elites where others excelled. If you read the books or watched "The Package" you would know this for a fact.

  • 06.15.2011 2:20 AM PDT