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Subject: Master Chief, the Best Spartan?

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

I never said I was free, there will be no real freedom in this world as long as rules and laws exist, although with people like you walking around, they are necessary or else society would implode.

  • 04.25.2011 9:53 PM PDT
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Beauty is not subjective. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
Prove me wrong.
I dare you.
My logic is undeniable.

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I never said I was free, there will be no real freedom in this world as long as rules and laws exist, although with people like you walking around, they are necessary or else society would implode.


I abide by the rules when they make sense. As of these days, most rules do. Most rulers don't.

  • 04.25.2011 9:55 PM PDT


Posted by: Astinous
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
I'd choose an actual warrior over a soldier any day. Study the differences between each one and you'll understand.


Master Chief was a soldier, not a loose cannon idiot who would NEVER be trusted with high value missions.

Your description of a "Best solider/warrior." Would never be chosen for any mission other then the random "We want this base gone, no rules applied."


Taking out bases are, very often, high-priority missions, you moron.


Actually, as far as I know, high priority missions include taking out specific targets (Which such a person wouldn't be chosen for, due to not be trustworthy at all.), guarding bases (Again, not trustworthy, not picked.), VIP style missions (Can't trust them, so isn't picked YET AGAIN.), recovering valueable data, persons, etc. (Not trustworthy, not picked.

Your person would be sent on the MOST basic and low-priority missions, IF ANY AT ALL.

Such a soldier, by default of not following orders and doing his own damn thing, isn't trustworthy. He'd be the bastard who sits in the barracks with no equipment while everybody else goes on missions.

  • 04.25.2011 9:58 PM PDT
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Beauty is not subjective. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
Prove me wrong.
I dare you.
My logic is undeniable.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
I'd choose an actual warrior over a soldier any day. Study the differences between each one and you'll understand.


Master Chief was a soldier, not a loose cannon idiot who would NEVER be trusted with high value missions.

Your description of a "Best solider/warrior." Would never be chosen for any mission other then the random "We want this base gone, no rules applied."


Taking out bases are, very often, high-priority missions, you moron.


Actually, as far as I know, high priority missions include taking out specific targets (Which such a person wouldn't be chosen for, due to not be trustworthy at all.), guarding bases (Again, not trustworthy, not picked.), VIP style missions (Can't trust them, so isn't picked YET AGAIN.), recovering valueable data, persons, etc. (Not trustworthy, not picked.

Your person would be sent on the MOST basic and low-priority missions, IF ANY AT ALL.

Such a soldier, by default of not following orders and doing his own damn thing, isn't trustworthy. He'd be the bastard who sits in the barracks with no equipment while everybody else goes on missions.


Or he'd be the bastard who spills enough blood to take the world by the balls and impose his own rule. You'd know him as "the dominant bastard".
Oh, and just because he imposes his own rules doesn't mean he's a dictator. He could be a dictator for the people, like... What was that asian dude's name? Kahn something... GENGHIS KAHN.

[Edited on 04.25.2011 10:04 PM PDT]

  • 04.25.2011 10:03 PM PDT


Posted by: Astinous
Or he'd be the bastard who spills enough blood to take the world by the balls and impose his own rule. You'd know him as "the dominant bastard".
Oh, and just because he imposes his own rules doesn't mean he's a dictator. He could be a dictator for the people, like... What was that asian dude's name? Kahn something... GENGHIS KAHN.


Or he'd be the bastard put down by EVERYBODY else because nobody can stand his rampant STUPIDITY.

  • 04.25.2011 10:06 PM PDT
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Beauty is not subjective. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
Prove me wrong.
I dare you.
My logic is undeniable.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
Or he'd be the bastard who spills enough blood to take the world by the balls and impose his own rule. You'd know him as "the dominant bastard".
Oh, and just because he imposes his own rules doesn't mean he's a dictator. He could be a dictator for the people, like... What was that asian dude's name? Kahn something... GENGHIS KAHN.


Or he'd be the bastard put down by EVERYBODY else because nobody can stand his rampant STUPIDITY.


Dude...

  • 04.25.2011 10:09 PM PDT


Posted by: Astinous
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
Or he'd be the bastard who spills enough blood to take the world by the balls and impose his own rule. You'd know him as "the dominant bastard".
Oh, and just because he imposes his own rules doesn't mean he's a dictator. He could be a dictator for the people, like... What was that asian dude's name? Kahn something... GENGHIS KAHN.


Or he'd be the bastard put down by EVERYBODY else because nobody can stand his rampant STUPIDITY.


Dude...


Hey, you just posted the picture of my face when you said NOT following orders and doing your own damn thing made a GOOD SOLDIER.

  • 04.25.2011 10:10 PM PDT

http://www.halo-forum.com

This whole debate is pointless. Game-wise, the Chief is supposed to be the best, but we all know that Fred is in fact numero uno. he matches every other Spartan in general, is second best all the time by choice.

Fred is No. 1

[Edited on 04.25.2011 10:11 PM PDT]

  • 04.25.2011 10:10 PM PDT
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Beauty is not subjective. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
Prove me wrong.
I dare you.
My logic is undeniable.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
Or he'd be the bastard who spills enough blood to take the world by the balls and impose his own rule. You'd know him as "the dominant bastard".
Oh, and just because he imposes his own rules doesn't mean he's a dictator. He could be a dictator for the people, like... What was that asian dude's name? Kahn something... GENGHIS KAHN.


Or he'd be the bastard put down by EVERYBODY else because nobody can stand his rampant STUPIDITY.


Dude...


Hey, you just posted the picture of my face when you said NOT following orders and doing your own damn thing made a GOOD SOLDIER.


-blam!- SOLDIERS, THEN.
They're basically robots made for war.
Being an unleashed warrior is where it's at.

  • 04.25.2011 10:13 PM PDT


Posted by: Astinous
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
Or he'd be the bastard who spills enough blood to take the world by the balls and impose his own rule. You'd know him as "the dominant bastard".
Oh, and just because he imposes his own rules doesn't mean he's a dictator. He could be a dictator for the people, like... What was that asian dude's name? Kahn something... GENGHIS KAHN.


Or he'd be the bastard put down by EVERYBODY else because nobody can stand his rampant STUPIDITY.


Dude...


Hey, you just posted the picture of my face when you said NOT following orders and doing your own damn thing made a GOOD SOLDIER.


-blam!- SOLDIERS, THEN.
They're basically robots made for war.
Being an unleashed warrior is where it's at.


Yep, until you piss off people in charge and more powerful then you. Then you get your ass kicked.

Oh, look, you described what Spartans were made for. To be GOOD SOLDIERS and to FOLLOW ORDERS.

  • 04.25.2011 10:14 PM PDT
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Beauty is not subjective. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
Prove me wrong.
I dare you.
My logic is undeniable.

Posted by: Astinous
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
Or he'd be the bastard who spills enough blood to take the world by the balls and impose his own rule. You'd know him as "the dominant bastard".
Oh, and just because he imposes his own rules doesn't mean he's a dictator. He could be a dictator for the people, like... What was that asian dude's name? Kahn something... GENGHIS KAHN.[/quote]

Or he'd be the bastard put down by EVERYBODY else because nobody can stand his rampant STUPIDITY.[/quote]

Dude...
[/quote]

Hey, you just posted the picture of my face when you said NOT following orders and doing your own damn thing made a GOOD SOLDIER.


-blam!- SOLDIERS, THEN.
They're basically robots made for war.
Being an unleashed warrior is where it's at.


Yep, until you piss off people in charge and more powerful then you. Then you get your ass kicked.

Oh, look, you described what Spartans were made for. To be GOOD SOLDIERS and to FOLLOW ORDERS.


Spartans are FICTION.

  • 04.25.2011 10:15 PM PDT


Posted by: Astinous
Spartans are FICTION.


Really? WOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POINTING THAT OUT TO ME! I'D HAVE NEVER NOTICED THAT IF YOU HADN'T INFORMED ME OF THAT!

Oh wait, Spartans are actually real. You know, the GREEKS?

And Halo Spartans are as Fictional as your deluded viewpoint how how much such a fighter could get done.

  • 04.25.2011 10:17 PM PDT
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Beauty is not subjective. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
Prove me wrong.
I dare you.
My logic is undeniable.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
Spartans are FICTION.


Really? WOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POINTING THAT OUT TO ME! I'D HAVE NEVER NOTICED THAT IF YOU HADN'T INFORMED ME OF THAT!

Oh wait, Spartans are actually real. You know, the GREEKS?

And Halo Spartans are as Fictional as your deluded viewpoint how how much such a fighter could get done.


Yeah, pointing out the obvious was a mistake, I'll give you that much.
But Kahn wasn't fiction, and not only did he get -blam!- done by his own hand, he pretty much set the basics of what half of Europe and Asia would become.
I'm heading out to bed. I'll continue the debate when I wake up.

[Edited on 04.25.2011 10:24 PM PDT]

  • 04.25.2011 10:23 PM PDT


Posted by: Astinous
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
Spartans are FICTION.


Really? WOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POINTING THAT OUT TO ME! I'D HAVE NEVER NOTICED THAT IF YOU HADN'T INFORMED ME OF THAT!

Oh wait, Spartans are actually real. You know, the GREEKS?

And Halo Spartans are as Fictional as your deluded viewpoint how how much such a fighter could get done.


Yeah, pointing out the obvious was a mistake, I'll give you that much.
But Kahn wasn't fiction, and not only did he get -blam!- done by his own hand, he pretty much set the basics of what half of Europe and Asia would become.
I'm heading out to bed. I'll continue the debate when I wake up.


Yeah, and I'm fairly sure Khan united the Mongol tribes not through mindless violence. I think you might be thinking of Attila the Hun, who if memory serves, was a conqueror.

  • 04.25.2011 10:26 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
Spartans are FICTION.


Really? WOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POINTING THAT OUT TO ME! I'D HAVE NEVER NOTICED THAT IF YOU HADN'T INFORMED ME OF THAT!

Oh wait, Spartans are actually real. You know, the GREEKS?

And Halo Spartans are as Fictional as your deluded viewpoint how how much such a fighter could get done.


Yeah, pointing out the obvious was a mistake, I'll give you that much.
But Kahn wasn't fiction, and not only did he get -blam!- done by his own hand, he pretty much set the basics of what half of Europe and Asia would become.
I'm heading out to bed. I'll continue the debate when I wake up.


Yeah, and I'm fairly sure Khan united the Mongol tribes not through mindless violence. I think you might be thinking of Attila the Hun, who if memory serves, was a conqueror.


Actually, Genghis Khan and his conquests claimed as much as 40 million victims by that time's census, most of which were civilians.

Most of the time he would conduct mass slaughter of the locals to assert his dominance.

  • 04.25.2011 10:31 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Actually, Genghis Khan and his conquests claimed as much as 40 million victims by that time's census, most of which were civilians.

Most of the time he would conduct mass slaughter of the locals to assert his dominance.


Ah, my mistake. Still, how was he killed?

edit: Well, yeah those were conquests though. Did he use violence to unite the tribes?

[Edited on 04.25.2011 10:35 PM PDT]

  • 04.25.2011 10:32 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Actually, Genghis Khan and his conquests claimed as much as 40 million victims by that time's census, most of which were civilians.

Most of the time he would conduct mass slaughter of the locals to assert his dominance.


Ah, my mistake. Still, how was he killed?


There's no concrete answer, it has been speculated to be due pneumonia or other illness, wound battles or age. Although I wouldn't rule out the possibility of assassination given his position in power.

And he fought the other tribes into submission, although he accepted their survivors into his own tribe.

[Edited on 04.25.2011 10:39 PM PDT]

  • 04.25.2011 10:35 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Actually, Genghis Khan and his conquests claimed as much as 40 million victims by that time's census, most of which were civilians.

Most of the time he would conduct mass slaughter of the locals to assert his dominance.


Ah, my mistake. Still, how was he killed?


There's no concrete answer, it has been speculated to be due pneumonia or other illness, wound battles or age. Although I wouldn't rule out the possibility of assassination given his position in power.

And he fought the other tribes into submission, although he accepted their survivors into his own tribe.


Yeah, well the point is he wasn't a loose cannon. This person that guy is talking about is a loose cannon.

Hell, Khan's rise to power is typical of that time, and follows how to advance in today's military. He showed he was trustworthy, and was given more responsibilities. Eventually he became the leader.

  • 04.25.2011 11:36 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Indeed, you're right about that, Khan used his wits to prevail not sheer force.

  • 04.25.2011 11:55 PM PDT


Posted by: Astinous
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Astinous
Or he'd be the bastard who spills enough blood to take the world by the balls and impose his own rule. You'd know him as "the dominant bastard".
Oh, and just because he imposes his own rules doesn't mean he's a dictator. He could be a dictator for the people, like... What was that asian dude's name? Kahn something... GENGHIS KAHN.


Or he'd be the bastard put down by EVERYBODY else because nobody can stand his rampant STUPIDITY.


Dude...


Hey, you just posted the picture of my face when you said NOT following orders and doing your own damn thing made a GOOD SOLDIER.


-blam!- SOLDIERS, THEN.
They're basically robots made for war.
Being an unleashed warrior is where it's at.


As I have stated before, highly trained, volunteer, professional soldiers will beat any "unleashed warrior" types any day of the week.

Your ideas of what a soldier is, is shockingly uninformed and falwed.
Doing your own thing, and generally being a nut-job will get yourself and your collegues killed very quickly.

  • 04.26.2011 2:46 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


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I wonder who the other Spartans would say was the best among them.....I would be wiling to bet they would say the Chief.

Spartans aren't glory hogs.

Never said they were.

They all respect John as the best of the best.

Never read that. They have a high regard for him, but I doubt they think he is the best.


Cortana confirms it,Halsey confirms it and Icon confirms it.We can argue that the first two are opinions,but the third one isn't.

  • 04.26.2011 7:40 AM PDT


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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
I wonder who the other Spartans would say was the best among them.....I would be wiling to bet they would say the Chief.

Spartans aren't glory hogs.

Never said they were.

They all respect John as the best of the best.

Never read that. They have a high regard for him, but I doubt they think he is the best.


Cortana confirms it,Halsey confirms it and Icon confirms it.We can argue that the first two are opinions,but the third one isn't.

Icon?

  • 04.26.2011 7:46 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

This whole debate is pointless. Game-wise, the Chief is supposed to be the best, but we all know that Fred is in fact numero uno. he matches every other Spartan in general, is second best all the time by choice.

Fred is No. 1



How could Fred be the first one if he is the second one overall?And Halsey,Cortana and Icon disagree with you,but i'm not saying that the Chief will beat others in other categories,but he is the best overall.

Actually, that was cause he was an ass and didn't give a -blam!-. He wasn't the best in the situation because he FAILED the assignment.


He acted like a lone wolf,we already knew the chief has an unmatched will for victory.In this match he was probably like
"-blam!- my team,i'll lose with them,screw them"
*becomes lone wolf and wins*

But afterwards he learned his mistake and became the leader.

  • 04.26.2011 7:47 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

[I wonder who the other Spartans would say was the best among them.....I would be wiling to bet they would say the Chief. [/quote]
Spartans aren't glory hogs.[/quote]
Never said they were.

They all respect John as the best of the best. [/quote]
Never read that. They have a high regard for him, but I doubt they think he is the best.[/quote]

Cortana confirms it,Halsey confirms it and Icon confirms it.We can argue that the first two are opinions,but the third one isn't.[/quote]
Icon?


The poem from Halo Evololutions,i posted it a few pages back.

  • 04.26.2011 7:51 AM PDT

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Chief is the best simply because he's a natural born leader, hell he busted two guys heads open at the age of 11 just so they wouldn't force him to leave a team mate behind like the natural weeding process goes.

He's accomplished way more than any other spartan has accomplished, example one being, he saved humanity 3 times, he almost single handedly brought down the covenant, he poops on the honor guard and slaps his knee about it.

In all, Master Chief is a pretty cool guy, he runs around the universe killin covenant and blowin up rings, and doesn't affraid of anything.

  • 04.26.2011 7:53 AM PDT