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Subject: Master Chief, the Best Spartan?
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Posted by: AgentPaperCraft
Chief is the best simply because he's a natural born leader, hell he busted two guys heads open at the age of 11 just so they wouldn't force him to leave a team mate behind like the natural weeding process goes.

He's accomplished way more than any other spartan has accomplished, example one being, he saved humanity 3 times, he almost single handedly brought down the covenant, he poops on the honor guard and slaps his knee about it.

In all, Master Chief is a pretty cool guy, he runs around the universe killin covenant and blowin up rings, and doesn't affraid of anything.


Covenant separtists are another reason why the covenant have lost.But Chief did definitely hurt them like killing regret.

Poor Sangheili :(
Stupid Truth

  • 04.26.2011 7:56 AM PDT

i would say chief was same among spartans but had the abilty to surive and become the best spartan

  • 04.26.2011 8:06 AM PDT

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I think MC is a sort of swiss army knife. He has a variety of tools and skills and performs great in the vast majority of situations, but there are better specialized spartans with skills and tools who can do certain jobs better than him.

  • 04.26.2011 8:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: AgentPaperCraft
Chief is the best simply because he's a natural born leader, hell he busted two guys heads open at the age of 11 just so they wouldn't force him to leave a team mate behind like the natural weeding process goes.

Any of the spartans could have done that

He's accomplished way more than any other spartan has accomplished, only because the spartans weren't put in the same circumstances he was. thou i believe onyx was just as important as halo.

example one being, he saved humanity 3 times And each time he was barley able to do it and wouldn't have been able to if it wasn't for luck,timing, and cortana
, he almost single handedly brought down the covenant, again that was only because he was the only spartan that could have done it at the time
he poops on the honor guard and slaps his knee about it. yet he nearly got killed fighting an elite minor and shipmaster. no to mention i am positive the arbiter could be him in hand to hand combat

In all, Master Chief is a pretty cool guy, he runs around the universe killin covenant and blowin up rings, and doesn't affraid of anything.

He destroyed 1 ring, and is terrified of the flood, obviously you haven't read the books an have the mentality of a 6 year old that views chief as an unstoppable hero

  • 04.26.2011 8:37 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: AgentPaperCraft
Chief is the best simply because he's a natural born leader, hell he busted two guys heads open at the age of 11 just so they wouldn't force him to leave a team mate behind like the natural weeding process goes.

Any of the spartans could have done that

He's accomplished way more than any other spartan has accomplished, only because the spartans weren't put in the same circumstances he was. thou i believe onyx was just as important as halo.

example one being, he saved humanity 3 times And each time he was barley able to do it and wouldn't have been able to if it wasn't for luck,timing, and cortana
, he almost single handedly brought down the covenant, again that was only because he was the only spartan that could have done it at the time
he poops on the honor guard and slaps his knee about it. yet he nearly got killed fighting an elite minor and shipmaster. no to mention i am positive the arbiter could be him in hand to hand combat

In all, Master Chief is a pretty cool guy, he runs around the universe killin covenant and blowin up rings, and doesn't affraid of anything.

He destroyed 1 ring, and is terrified of the flood, obviously you haven't read the books an have the mentality of a 6 year old that views chief as an unstoppable hero


And Chief didn't 'almost singlehandedly take down the Covenant.' Infact, he only killed a single member of the three high prophets.

  • 04.26.2011 9:09 AM PDT


Posted by: switch 104 sv
This whole debate is pointless. Game-wise, the Chief is supposed to be the best, but we all know that Fred is in fact numero uno. he matches every other Spartan in general, is second best all the time by choice.

Fred is No. 1


Meh, Fred could very well be the best, but I don't think so. He's never really done anything truly significant in the books, even if he always did take second behind Chief in training. The books don't say anything about him being second best in every field, they say he always came in ranked second in training. Fred is definitly among the best Spartans, but I haven't really seen anything to indicate him being the bet of them all.

  • 04.26.2011 10:39 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

And he only did that because Truth let him, otherwise he would have been killed by the reinforcements that were delayed by said Prophet.

  • 04.26.2011 10:41 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: AgentPaperCraft
Chief is the best simply because he's a natural born leader, hell he busted two guys heads open at the age of 11 just so they wouldn't force him to leave a team mate behind like the natural weeding process goes.

Any of the spartans could have done that

He's accomplished way more than any other spartan has accomplished, only because the spartans weren't put in the same circumstances he was. thou i believe onyx was just as important as halo.

example one being, he saved humanity 3 times And each time he was barley able to do it and wouldn't have been able to if it wasn't for luck,timing, and cortana
, he almost single handedly brought down the covenant, again that was only because he was the only spartan that could have done it at the time
he poops on the honor guard and slaps his knee about it. yet he nearly got killed fighting an elite minor and shipmaster. no to mention i am positive the arbiter could be him in hand to hand combat

In all, Master Chief is a pretty cool guy, he runs around the universe killin covenant and blowin up rings, and doesn't affraid of anything.

He destroyed 1 ring, and is terrified of the flood, obviously you haven't read the books an have the mentality of a 6 year old that views chief as an unstoppable hero


I wouldn't put too much stock in the encounter with the Elite Minor on Reach Station Gamma, it was supposed to be the first time ever that Elites were encountered (which has since been retconned), and that was the main reason why that fight was so difficult, imo.

As for the one fight with the Elite on the Ascendant Justice, I again wouldn't really use it as evidence of Chief's abilities, whether arguing for or against. In that instance he had been fighting practically non-stop for at most a week on Alpha Halo, and he'd received quite a few wounds (I believe Halsey even states in First Strike when she's examining him that it's a wonder he's still even standing and functioning properly), so he wasn't at optimum performance, and also, the Elite had an energy sword. And while they were on the bridge, it was still pretty tight quarters for a fight against a guy with a sword.

  • 04.26.2011 10:45 AM PDT

wasn't that elite also a special operations guy elite as well, which are no push-overs.

  • 04.26.2011 10:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: AgentPaperCraft
Chief is the best simply because he's a natural born leader, hell he busted two guys heads open at the age of 11 just so they wouldn't force him to leave a team mate behind like the natural weeding process goes.

Any of the spartans could have done that

He's accomplished way more than any other spartan has accomplished, only because the spartans weren't put in the same circumstances he was. thou i believe onyx was just as important as halo.

example one being, he saved humanity 3 times And each time he was barley able to do it and wouldn't have been able to if it wasn't for luck,timing, and cortana
, he almost single handedly brought down the covenant, again that was only because he was the only spartan that could have done it at the time
he poops on the honor guard and slaps his knee about it. yet he nearly got killed fighting an elite minor and shipmaster. no to mention i am positive the arbiter could be him in hand to hand combat

In all, Master Chief is a pretty cool guy, he runs around the universe killin covenant and blowin up rings, and doesn't affraid of anything.

He destroyed 1 ring, and is terrified of the flood, obviously you haven't read the books an have the mentality of a 6 year old that views chief as an unstoppable hero


I wouldn't put too much stock in the encounter with the Elite Minor on Reach Station Gamma, it was supposed to be the first time ever that Elites were encountered (which has since been retconned), and that was the main reason why that fight was so difficult, imo.

As for the one fight with the Elite on the Ascendant Justice, I again wouldn't really use it as evidence of Chief's abilities, whether arguing for or against. In that instance he had been fighting practically non-stop for at most a week on Alpha Halo, and he'd received quite a few wounds (I believe Halsey even states in First Strike when she's examining him that it's a wonder he's still even standing and functioning properly), so he wasn't at optimum performance, and also, the Elite had an energy sword. And while they were on the bridge, it was still pretty tight quarters for a fight against a guy with a sword.

Also, Do we know the Rank of the Elite that the chief encountered on the Bridge of Ascendent Justice?

In my mind he would have to be a pretty high/advanced rank.

  • 04.26.2011 10:51 AM PDT
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Or he'd be the bastard who spills enough blood to take the world by the balls and impose his own rule. You'd know him as "the dominant bastard".
Oh, and just because he imposes his own rules doesn't mean he's a dictator. He could be a dictator for the people, like... What was that asian dude's name? Kahn something... GENGHIS KAHN.[/quote]

Or he'd be the bastard put down by EVERYBODY else because nobody can stand his rampant STUPIDITY.[/quote]

Dude...
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Hey, you just posted the picture of my face when you said NOT following orders and doing your own damn thing made a GOOD SOLDIER.


-blam!- SOLDIERS, THEN.
They're basically robots made for war.
Being an unleashed warrior is where it's at.


As I have stated before, highly trained, volunteer, professional soldiers will beat any "unleashed warrior" types any day of the week.

Your ideas of what a soldier is, is shockingly uninformed and falwed.
Doing your own thing, and generally being a nut-job will get yourself and your collegues killed very quickly.


It'll only get you killed if you stay behind and let them kill you. If you follow orders, those orders might tell you to stay in the battlefield, and you won't live to fight another day.

  • 04.26.2011 11:20 AM PDT


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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: AgentPaperCraft
Chief is the best simply because he's a natural born leader, hell he busted two guys heads open at the age of 11 just so they wouldn't force him to leave a team mate behind like the natural weeding process goes.

Any of the spartans could have done that

He's accomplished way more than any other spartan has accomplished, only because the spartans weren't put in the same circumstances he was. thou i believe onyx was just as important as halo.

example one being, he saved humanity 3 times And each time he was barley able to do it and wouldn't have been able to if it wasn't for luck,timing, and cortana
, he almost single handedly brought down the covenant, again that was only because he was the only spartan that could have done it at the time
he poops on the honor guard and slaps his knee about it. yet he nearly got killed fighting an elite minor and shipmaster. no to mention i am positive the arbiter could be him in hand to hand combat

In all, Master Chief is a pretty cool guy, he runs around the universe killin covenant and blowin up rings, and doesn't affraid of anything.

He destroyed 1 ring, and is terrified of the flood, obviously you haven't read the books an have the mentality of a 6 year old that views chief as an unstoppable hero


I wouldn't put too much stock in the encounter with the Elite Minor on Reach Station Gamma, it was supposed to be the first time ever that Elites were encountered (which has since been retconned), and that was the main reason why that fight was so difficult, imo.

As for the one fight with the Elite on the Ascendant Justice, I again wouldn't really use it as evidence of Chief's abilities, whether arguing for or against. In that instance he had been fighting practically non-stop for at most a week on Alpha Halo, and he'd received quite a few wounds (I believe Halsey even states in First Strike when she's examining him that it's a wonder he's still even standing and functioning properly), so he wasn't at optimum performance, and also, the Elite had an energy sword. And while they were on the bridge, it was still pretty tight quarters for a fight against a guy with a sword.

Also, Do we know the Rank of the Elite that the chief encountered on the Bridge of Ascendent Justice?

In my mind he would have to be a pretty high/advanced rank.


I'm pretty sure he was a Shipmaster, though I'm not one hundred percent certain of that, he could have been a high ranking Spec Ops Elite, and they're certainly no push over, I've never seen one wield an energy sword in game as an enemy, but R'tas Vadum (good old "Half-Jaw" ^_^ ) is good evidence of what sort of stuff they can do.

  • 04.26.2011 12:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: switch 104 sv
This whole debate is pointless. Game-wise, the Chief is supposed to be the best, but we all know that Fred is in fact numero uno. he matches every other Spartan in general, is second best all the time by choice.

Fred is No. 1


Meh, Fred could very well be the best, but I don't think so. He's never really done anything truly significant in the books, even if he always did take second behind Chief in training. The books don't say anything about him being second best in every field, they say he always came in ranked second in training. Fred is definitly among the best Spartans, but I haven't really seen anything to indicate him being the bet of them all.


the thing is he came in second due to choice, even chief notices that.

  • 04.26.2011 12:54 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: switch 104 sv
This whole debate is pointless. Game-wise, the Chief is supposed to be the best, but we all know that Fred is in fact numero uno. he matches every other Spartan in general, is second best all the time by choice.

Fred is No. 1


Meh, Fred could very well be the best, but I don't think so. He's never really done anything truly significant in the books, even if he always did take second behind Chief in training. The books don't say anything about him being second best in every field, they say he always came in ranked second in training. Fred is definitly among the best Spartans, but I haven't really seen anything to indicate him being the bet of them all.


the thing is he came in second due to choice, even chief notices that.


I know, that's why I said he hasn't really been shown doing anything truly significant on the same level of comparison as Chief. There is no doubt that Fred is amongst the best, but I haven't seen any evidence to indicate Fred being the best of them all.

  • 04.26.2011 2:55 PM PDT
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Meh, the reason I have no doubt Chief not being the greatest is simply because he does not specialize anything outside of leadership. He also seems to kind of suck at hand to hand combat when comparing Fred, Will and Kelly.

  • 04.26.2011 3:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
don't understand how this topic ends up appearing so often, how anyone can argue that 117 is not the best SPARTAN is beyond me.


Stupidity is rampant here. Beware. I'm gonna stop trying to beat it out of these people.

  • 04.26.2011 6:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


He did out survive almost all other Spartans. IMO M.C. is the best because he could do everything, and he had luck on his side. John was also able to face a new enemy and not become a flood member, I have a feeling that no other could have done that.

  • 04.26.2011 6:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101
Chief was just average, he had no specialities, just another Spartan that always wanted to win.

Look at Linda for example, she could out snipe John any day.
Kelly could outrun John any day.
Fred would beat John in hand to hand any day.

Each of these Spartans had their speciality. Those being Linda's impossible sniping skills. Kelly's incredible speed, and Fred's amazing talent of using knifes.

Those are just examples but John simply had no specialty aside from blatant killing. So he saved the Galaxy, that doesn't mean he was the best. Honestly, I could see Linda, Kelly, Fred and even Kurt in John's shoes and doing the exact same thing. They are all Spartans.

To me, Kurt was the greatest Spartan that ever lived.


He did out survive almost all other Spartans. IMO M.C. is the best because he could do everything, and he had luck on his side. John was also able to face a new enemy and not become a flood member, I have a feeling that no other could have done that.

He would've become infected had Cortana not saved his ass.

  • 04.26.2011 6:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
He would've become infected had Cortana not saved his ass.

When... sorry its been a while since I last played Halo CE. That also adds to my reasons why he is the best, he has Cortana. :)

  • 04.26.2011 6:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Astinous
It'll only get you killed if you stay behind and let them kill you. If you follow orders, those orders might tell you to stay in the battlefield, and you won't live to fight another day.


Never following orders gets you nowhere. You won't be picked for any important missions. You won't advance in rank or skill.

You sound half like a coward honestly.

"Orders might tell you to stay in the battlefield." what if the orders are to hold the line for the reinforcements to arrive? Or to hold the line till civilians can be evaced and an evac transport reach you?

From what I gather, you'd run at the first chance. Some unleashed unstoppable warrior you are.

  • 04.26.2011 8:57 PM PDT


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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
He would've become infected had Cortana not saved his ass.

When... sorry its been a while since I last played Halo CE. That also adds to my reasons why he is the best, he has Cortana. :)


When chief entered the engineering room I believe, an infection form jumped out, latched onto his neck and drove the infector spine in. Cortana overcharged his shields to pop it before it could tap/stab his spine.

It's in the book.

Yeah, He's the best with Cortana, without, IMO, he's a great leader, lucky, but overall 'average' for a Spartan in combat ability.

  • 04.26.2011 9:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
He would've become infected had Cortana not saved his ass.

When... sorry its been a while since I last played Halo CE. That also adds to my reasons why he is the best, he has Cortana. :)


Actually, it's in the novelization of the first game, called The Flood.

  • 04.26.2011 9:01 PM PDT
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Chief didn't win the battle of the Ark single handedly. He had the marines with him plus the Arbiter and his Elites.

  • 04.27.2011 12:54 AM PDT


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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
don't understand how this topic ends up appearing so often, how anyone can argue that 117 is not the best SPARTAN is beyond me.


Stupidity is rampant here. Beware. I'm gonna stop trying to beat it out of these people.


It is indeed rampant here, though I didn't really created the thread to start an argument, I wanted to explore why people didn't think Chief was the best Spartan, and I think it has mostly done it's purpose, there is/was only one real argument with someone on troll like status, but that seems to have blown over now.

  • 04.27.2011 9:55 AM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Apocalypse 1313

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
don't understand how this topic ends up appearing so often, how anyone can argue that 117 is not the best SPARTAN is beyond me.


Stupidity is rampant here. Beware. I'm gonna stop trying to beat it out of these people.


It is indeed rampant here, though I didn't really created the thread to start an argument, I wanted to explore why people didn't think Chief was the best Spartan, and I think it has mostly done it's purpose, there is/was only one real argument with someone on troll like status, but that seems to have blown over now.


Yep, started as intelligent discussion between the two sides, both being respectful.

Then we had idiots charge in and start a downward spiral.

  • 04.27.2011 10:18 AM PDT