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Subject: [LONG THREAD] Let's fix Reach's canon errors!


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Docterweegee

Posted by: ix forte xi

Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I was wanting this thread to "fix" any canon "errors" but instead it looks pike it's become more of a debate. Can we stick to the point? Are there any other "errors" that my OP doesn't list?


I know there are a bunch in this thread
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=49053700

List your own, Not caboose being intolerant to reach.


I think Forte was saying that there are a lot theories and suggestions in Caboose's thread, or maybe both, idk.


Yes, even if Caboose is intolerant, there is more than just him ranting in that thread.
To be honest I am not huge into the lore. I do enjoy reading the books and such, but i don't remember half the people on these forums remember and wouldn't be able to hold up much.
I thought i would just try to add something if i could.

  • 05.13.2011 9:40 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Sector Z 157
Here's the BIGGEST problem I have. Spartan III's were not around on Reach. They were involved on Onyx and even Dr. Halsey had no recollection of the Spartan III project until she arrived in Ghosts of Onyx. Reach ruined Canon.


Wrong, all we know is Gamma company wasn't deployed to reach. Nothing about special squads or headhunter teams.

Dr. Halsey didn't know they were Spartan III's either.

Reach did not ruin canon.


Indeed, thinking every single member of both Alpha and Beta company died in Operation Prometheus and Torpedo is really naive to be honest, I mean, Headhunters clearly states that they had what? several 2 man teams with 17 Spartans switching places every time one died.

And like people have said before, She didn't know they were Spartan III's, she thought they were some new batch of Spartans under ONI jurisdiction, like Team Black.

  • 05.13.2011 9:43 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

The way I see the Pillar of Autumn essentially being in three places at once is like so.

Operation: RED FLAG was put on hold for most of the battle and initiated at the last minute. However, before the Autumn can jump, it is flooded with three Priority One hails, one from the MAC Generators, one from Halsey, and one from the AI at Gamma Station. RED FLAG is scrapped.

Red Team is deployed to Reach, Chief, James, and Linda are deployed to Gamma Station, and the Autumn goes to Aszod. Now we wonder how it lands, but all you have to do is look at the surroundings. That docking area looks like it was built to handle a Halcyon-class cruiser. The boosters could've been a last-minute addition provided by some string-pulling by Halsey.

Autumn takes off and picks up Chief. Initiate jump to Halo and done.

  • 05.13.2011 9:53 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
The way I see the Pillar of Autumn essentially being in three places at once is like so.

Operation: RED FLAG was put on hold for most of the battle and initiated at the last minute. However, before the Autumn can jump, it is flooded with three Priority One hails, one from the MAC Generators, one from Halsey, and one from the AI at Gamma Station. RED FLAG is scrapped.

Red Team is deployed to Reach, Chief, James, and Linda are deployed to Gamma Station, and the Autumn goes to Aszod. Now we wonder how it lands, but all you have to do is look at the surroundings. That docking area looks like it was built to handle a Halcyon-class cruiser. The boosters could've been a last-minute addition provided by some string-pulling by Halsey.

Autumn takes off and picks up Chief. Initiate jump to Halo and done.


read my OP, I provided facts to support that

  • 05.13.2011 10:02 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
The way I see the Pillar of Autumn essentially being in three places at once is like so.

Operation: RED FLAG was put on hold for most of the battle and initiated at the last minute. However, before the Autumn can jump, it is flooded with three Priority One hails, one from the MAC Generators, one from Halsey, and one from the AI at Gamma Station. RED FLAG is scrapped.

Red Team is deployed to Reach, Chief, James, and Linda are deployed to Gamma Station, and the Autumn goes to Aszod. Now we wonder how it lands, but all you have to do is look at the surroundings. That docking area looks like it was built to handle a Halcyon-class cruiser. The boosters could've been a last-minute addition provided by some string-pulling by Halsey.

Autumn takes off and picks up Chief. Initiate jump to Halo and done.


read my OP, I provided facts to support that

Just contributing. Calm down.

  • 05.13.2011 10:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted by: Raganok99
And, PoA being on land is IMPOSSIBLE because they're ALREADY in space in somewhere else, with OPERATION: RED FLAG until they got called back to Reach in AUGUST 30th. Besides, it's physically impossible for PoA to able to land or even, hover the atmosphere. It'd take INSANE amount of power to lift this HEAVY warship off of ground because of gravity factors!


Actually the last level of Reach takes place on the 30th in the late afternoon, around 16:30 (that's 4:30 for those who don't understand military time) if I'm not mistaken. So it was not two places at once, it came down to Reach sometime after picking up the remnants of Blue Team and Johnson's squad at 6:15 in the morning. If you look at the last cutscene of Reach, it's never hovering in atmosphere on its own, the only time it was hovering it had those huge booster tugs on the side. Look at the size of those tug ships, they're pretty fricken big, and there are six of them if I'm not mistaken, more than enough power in those to lift the Autumn up off the ground and allow it to get going on its own.

If we ignore every other timeline screw up and focus solely on Pillar of Autumn, we still can't overlook the fact that it jumped around 06:50 in the morning. Even if we ignore that, we are still left with the fact that those small thrusters on the side don't have enough fuel. Of course if you can point me huge fuel tanks that are bigger than Pillar of Autumn, I believe you. And by the way, after it drops it's thrusters we can see it floating by it's own. Realistically, after it had dropped all thrusters it should have just fallen to the ground as it had nothing to support it from the downside.

Talking about timeline errors, you are saying that Spartans and Keyes are just sipping tea in Pillar of Autumn while the planet is under full invasion? UNSC also seems to have bad communications delays as how otherwise could Pillar of Autumn be informed about the invasion on 30th when it started on 14th? Sixteen days is pretty bad for a communications delay.

  • 05.13.2011 10:14 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: tsassi2
Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted by: Raganok99
And, PoA being on land is IMPOSSIBLE because they're ALREADY in space in somewhere else, with OPERATION: RED FLAG until they got called back to Reach in AUGUST 30th. Besides, it's physically impossible for PoA to able to land or even, hover the atmosphere. It'd take INSANE amount of power to lift this HEAVY warship off of ground because of gravity factors!


Actually the last level of Reach takes place on the 30th in the late afternoon, around 16:30 (that's 4:30 for those who don't understand military time) if I'm not mistaken. So it was not two places at once, it came down to Reach sometime after picking up the remnants of Blue Team and Johnson's squad at 6:15 in the morning. If you look at the last cutscene of Reach, it's never hovering in atmosphere on its own, the only time it was hovering it had those huge booster tugs on the side. Look at the size of those tug ships, they're pretty fricken big, and there are six of them if I'm not mistaken, more than enough power in those to lift the Autumn up off the ground and allow it to get going on its own.

If we ignore every other timeline screw up and focus solely on Pillar of Autumn, we still can't overlook the fact that it jumped around 06:50 in the morning. Even if we ignore that, we are still left with the fact that those small thrusters on the side don't have enough fuel. Of course if you can point me huge fuel tanks that are bigger than Pillar of Autumn, I believe you. And by the way, after it drops it's thrusters we can see it floating by it's own. Realistically, after it had dropped all thrusters it should have just fallen to the ground as it had nothing to support it from the downside.

Talking about timeline errors, you are saying that Spartans and Keyes are just sipping tea in Pillar of Autumn while the planet is under full invasion? UNSC also seems to have bad communications delays as how otherwise could Pillar of Autumn be informed about the invasion on 30th when it started on 14th? Sixteen days is pretty bad for a communications delay.


Regarding the Autumn, nothing really supports Covenant ships or UNSC Frigates when they hover in the air either, so 343 really should clear this issue up.

  • 05.13.2011 10:18 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

Will you people just cut it out about the damn Autumn! Oh it doesn't have enough fuel, it couldn't have landed on Reach even though it doesn't interfere with the established timelin, blah blah blah.
For one thing, play Halo 2, 3, and Reach. -blam!- Frigates can -blam!- hover!

  • 05.13.2011 10:24 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Will you people just cut it out about the damn Autumn! Oh it doesn't have enough fuel, it couldn't have landed on Reach even though it doesn't interfere with the established timelin, blah blah blah.
For one thing, play Halo 2, 3, and Reach. -blam!- Frigates can -blam!- hover!

Dude, this is a speculation thread, one you made, this is a big issue.

  • 05.13.2011 10:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Will you people just cut it out about the damn Autumn! Oh it doesn't have enough fuel, it couldn't have landed on Reach even though it doesn't interfere with the established timelin, blah blah blah.
For one thing, play Halo 2, 3, and Reach. -blam!- Frigates can -blam!- hover!

And that has always been my problem too. Only possible explanation for floating Frigates is anti-gravity technology. We know UNSC was researching artificial and they already had ships without rotating sections. Personally, Frigates have always bugged me but maybe they aren't talked about as much as we are so used to see them.

You asked us to fix those canon errors. First we have to bring them up.

  • 05.13.2011 10:46 PM PDT


Posted by: tsassi2
Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted by: Raganok99
And, PoA being on land is IMPOSSIBLE because they're ALREADY in space in somewhere else, with OPERATION: RED FLAG until they got called back to Reach in AUGUST 30th. Besides, it's physically impossible for PoA to able to land or even, hover the atmosphere. It'd take INSANE amount of power to lift this HEAVY warship off of ground because of gravity factors!


Actually the last level of Reach takes place on the 30th in the late afternoon, around 16:30 (that's 4:30 for those who don't understand military time) if I'm not mistaken. So it was not two places at once, it came down to Reach sometime after picking up the remnants of Blue Team and Johnson's squad at 6:15 in the morning. If you look at the last cutscene of Reach, it's never hovering in atmosphere on its own, the only time it was hovering it had those huge booster tugs on the side. Look at the size of those tug ships, they're pretty fricken big, and there are six of them if I'm not mistaken, more than enough power in those to lift the Autumn up off the ground and allow it to get going on its own.

If we ignore every other timeline screw up and focus solely on Pillar of Autumn, we still can't overlook the fact that it jumped around 06:50 in the morning. Even if we ignore that, we are still left with the fact that those small thrusters on the side don't have enough fuel. Of course if you can point me huge fuel tanks that are bigger than Pillar of Autumn, I believe you. And by the way, after it drops it's thrusters we can see it floating by it's own. Realistically, after it had dropped all thrusters it should have just fallen to the ground as it had nothing to support it from the downside.

Talking about timeline errors, you are saying that Spartans and Keyes are just sipping tea in Pillar of Autumn while the planet is under full invasion? UNSC also seems to have bad communications delays as how otherwise could Pillar of Autumn be informed about the invasion on 30th when it started on 14th? Sixteen days is pretty bad for a communications delay.


The time it jumped obviously is retconned. Those rocket tugs were pretty big if you ask me, and how do you know how much fuel they have? It's not floating, it's using it's own engine to push itself out of the atmosphere, that's why it's got an upward angle to it, so that it can use its own engines in such a manner.

Obviously you didn't here Jun asking about Red Team aiding with civilian evac at the end of the mission in New Alexandria when you're destroying the jammers.

  • 05.14.2011 1:29 PM PDT

Without me, it's just "Aweso".

Going off of the Bungie stance that Games override any other source in terms of canon, wouldn't it be more appropriate to looking at the errors in the novel instead?

  • 05.14.2011 3:12 PM PDT

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