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Subject: Who's the most powerful "ancient" alien race?

Poll: Who's the most powerful "ancient" alien race?  [closed]
Halo Forerunners:  65%
(158 Votes)
Stargate Ancients:  14%
(34 Votes)
Mass Effect Reapers:  21%
(52 Votes)
Total Votes: 244

Which of the various powerful, ancient aline races so often featured in Sci-Fi is the most powerful? These are the ones I could think of, if anyone has suggestions for ones I missed I'll add them.

Also, as a little aside, would the Halo's weapon affect a Mass Effect Reaper? They are sentient, and do contain organic componets, but they are chiefly synthetic.

[Edited on 04.26.2011 11:05 AM PDT]

  • 04.26.2011 10:59 AM PDT

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Wtf, the reapers would get raped by the covies. WHY THE HELL ARE THEY EVEN ON THERE???

From what ive heard stargate ancients are tough, but the forerunners would just use halo...

  • 04.26.2011 11:20 AM PDT

They're on there because I needed to fill out the list. One I forgot to add is the Ceph from Crysis. Their nano weapons are pretty impressive.

[Edited on 04.26.2011 11:24 AM PDT]

  • 04.26.2011 11:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: ferrrari
Wtf, the reapers would get raped by the covies. WHY THE HELL ARE THEY EVEN ON THERE???


That's a joke, right? Mass Effect's everyday technology would be equivalent to Tier 1 in Halo and the Reapers would be on the same level as the Precursors.

  • 04.26.2011 11:25 AM PDT

in terms of 'canon' as much as that word irritates me, the Ancients are my vote for this one. the show does them no justice in demonstrating how advanced they are supposed to be! Destiny for example is several MILLION years old, and its still operational without a crew! that is one of their achievements, Destiny pre-dates the Forerunner themselves, so I think the Ancients are supposed to be the 'most advanced' race conceivable.

  • 04.26.2011 11:29 AM PDT


Posted by: ferrrari
Wtf, the reapers would get raped by the covies. WHY THE HELL ARE THEY EVEN ON THERE???

From what ive heard stargate ancients are tough, but the forerunners would just use halo...


Dakara weapon. The Alterans answer to Halo. Superweapons are not a fair comparison at any rate as neither race would use them as anything less than a last resort.

Drones beat anything the forerunner can through at them. Impervious to shields and capable of passing straight through any known matter without slowing down.

I'd say that one-on-one the Alterans and Forerunner are evenly matched though. I do agree that the reapers are not worth mentioning in this comparison.

  • 04.26.2011 11:29 AM PDT

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  • 04.26.2011 11:30 AM PDT

^ That might be a slight exaggeration. Tier 2 civilizations like the Forerunners can move stars and create planets, which is beyond the Reapers. The Mass Effect universe is probably a 3.5 or 4.

Reapers would be very effective against Covenant ships. The shields in ME work by using element zero to create fields of energy that repels masses. The faster or heavier the mass being repelled, the more energy required. The primary Covenant anti-ship weapon is the plasma torpedo, which moves at relatively slow speeds and has very little mass, which means the Reaper's shields could repel many attacks. Pulse lasers and energy projectors are another story however.

  • 04.26.2011 11:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: ferrrari
Wtf, the reapers would get raped by the covies. WHY THE HELL ARE THEY EVEN ON THERE???


That's a joke, right? Mass Effect's everyday technology would be equivalent to Tier 1 in Halo and the Reapers would be on the same level as the Precursors.
are you retarded? Mass effect tecnology is tech 3 in maximumn
1-they don't have direct energy weapons
2-they have just primitive energy shielding (kinectic barriers only deflect kinectic weapons
3-they depend on Mass Relays for "fast"FTL
4-with the exeption of reapers they don't even have smart AI

  • 04.26.2011 11:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: ferrrari
Wtf, the reapers would get raped by the covies. WHY THE HELL ARE THEY EVEN ON THERE???

From what ive heard stargate ancients are tough, but the forerunners would just use halo...


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Drones beat anything the forerunner can through at them. Impervious to shields and capable of passing straight through any known matter without slowing down.


exaggeration. They aren't impervious to shields but it normally takes 1 or 2 of them to takes shields out. They are just strong weapons which shouldn't be a surprise since they were the most advanced race in both galaxys; and most lifeforms are too young in terms of technology which is what makes the ancients look even stronger.

  • 04.26.2011 11:35 AM PDT

with regards to Stargate, I think even the Gou'uld would be a match for the Covenant, especially if you throw Anubis' Kull Warriors into the mix, with their 'energy impervious armour', a Ha'tak could probably hold its own against a Covenant cruiser.

another Stargate race worth mentioning, the Replicators, they are almost impossible to stop! would love to see Replicators taking over a Covenant super-carrier, watching them run in terror from an advancing swarm of mechanical monsters!

  • 04.26.2011 11:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: Omanisat
^ That might be a slight exaggeration. Tier 2 civilizations like the Forerunners can move stars and create planets, which is beyond the Reapers. The Mass Effect universe is probably a 3.5 or 4.

Reapers would be very effective against Covenant ships. The shields in ME work by using element zero to create fields of energy that repels masses. The faster or heavier the mass being repelled, the more energy required. The primary Covenant anti-ship weapon is the plasma torpedo, which moves at relatively slow speeds and has very little mass, which means the Reaper's shields could repel many attacks. Pulse lasers and energy projectors are another story however.
yeah but the Kinectic barriers cant protect against the heat so they would be easily melted

  • 04.26.2011 11:35 AM PDT
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Posted by: Omanisat
^ That might be a slight exaggeration. Tier 2 civilizations like the Forerunners can move stars and create planets, which is beyond the Reapers. The Mass Effect universe is probably a 3.5 or 4.

Reapers would be very effective against Covenant ships. The shields in ME work by using element zero to create fields of energy that repels masses. The faster or heavier the mass being repelled, the more energy required. The primary Covenant anti-ship weapon is the plasma torpedo, which moves at relatively slow speeds and has very little mass, which means the Reaper's shields could repel many attacks. Pulse lasers and energy projectors are another story however.
yeah but the Kinectic barriers cant protect against the heat so they would be easily melted


I won't pretend to know the exact methods being shielding in mass effect. but if what you say is true they should have held up against sovereign because the reapers use liquidized metal as a weapon. so if that cut ships like butter i am sure plasma would do the same.

  • 04.26.2011 11:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: ferrrari
Wtf, the reapers would get raped by the covies. WHY THE HELL ARE THEY EVEN ON THERE???


That's a joke, right? Mass Effect's everyday technology would be equivalent to Tier 1 in Halo and the Reapers would be on the same level as the Precursors.

There ships are 2km max? Covie supercarriers are 27km...
And forerunners ships are even bigger and range in the millions in terms of numbers. Just because the reapers destroyed half the citdeal fleet doesn't mean it's ultra good.
Those ships fire 20kg slugs, unsc ships fire 600TON slugs...]
And don't even get me started on covie firepower let alone forerunners...

  • 04.26.2011 11:40 AM PDT

depends on the stand-off distance between the shield and the Reaper's hull. If it's form-fitting like Covenant shields, this is probably true. If it's a Star-Trek like bubble, the Reaper would probably be safe from the heat.

  • 04.26.2011 11:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: fsabran
yeah but the Kinectic barriers cant protect against the heat so they would be easily melted

Heat is molecular and atomic kinetic energy...

Anything with mass will have kinetic energy. So if kinetic barriers really do what thier name suggests (I have not the slightest clue about the ME Universe) then Plasma weapons are blocked.

  • 04.26.2011 11:44 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

I won't pretend to know the exact methods being shielding in mass effect. but if what you say is true they should have held up against sovereign because the reapers use liquidized metal as a weapon. so if that cut ships like butter i am sure plasma would do the same.


No, because even though it's melted, the liquid metal still retains the same mass a solid slug. If I melt a pound of steel, it still weighs a pound. The heat simply increases the armour penetration of the round.

Covenant plasma however is entirely reliant on heat to do damage, without it you're only firing puffs of gas at your enemies.

[Edited on 04.26.2011 11:46 AM PDT]

  • 04.26.2011 11:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: fsabran
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: ferrrari
Wtf, the reapers would get raped by the covies. WHY THE HELL ARE THEY EVEN ON THERE???


That's a joke, right? Mass Effect's everyday technology would be equivalent to Tier 1 in Halo and the Reapers would be on the same level as the Precursors.
are you retarded?


Take a deep breath and calm yourself down, you'll regret trying to argue like an immature child with me.

1-they don't have direct energy weapons

True, but what good will that do against a Collector Particle Beam, Blackstorm Projector, Arc Projector, Biotics (etc)?

2-they have just primitive energy shielding (kinectic barriers only deflect kinectic weapons

That's put humans out of the equation in any case.

3-they depend on Mass Relays for "fast"FTL

Reapers created them, when a Mass Relay is destroyed it has the effect of a supernova. Destroy a few of those and it's sending anything within its radius on a one-way trip to hell.

4-with the exeption of reapers they don't even have smart AI

EDI, geth...

  • 04.26.2011 11:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: Omanisat

Posted by: grey101

I won't pretend to know the exact methods being shielding in mass effect. but if what you say is true they should have held up against sovereign because the reapers use liquidized metal as a weapon. so if that cut ships like butter i am sure plasma would do the same.


No, because even though it's melted, the liquid metal still retains the same mass a solid slug. If I melt a pound of steel, it still weighs a pound. The heat simply increases the armour penetration of the round.

Covenant plasma however is entirely reliant on heat to do damage, without it you're only firing puffs of gas at your enemies.


So even a direct blast from a covenant super carrier wouldn't do a thing?

I assume the UNSC would be top dogs then due to higher rounds of slugs.

  • 04.26.2011 11:48 AM PDT

-Mass Effect does have directed-energy weapons, the GARDIAN lasers mounted on most ships for point defense, just like the Covenant. The reason they don't make large DEWs is because element zero and mass effect fields make it cheaper and easier to use magnetic accelerators.

When was a Mass relay ever destroyed?

  • 04.26.2011 11:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: Omanisat
When was a Mass relay ever destroyed?


I take it you've not played Arrival?

  • 04.26.2011 11:54 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

So even a direct blast from a covenant super carrier wouldn't do a thing?

I assume the UNSC would be top dogs then due to higher rounds of slugs.


Only Covenant plasma would be affected by Mass Effect shields. Energy projectors, arguably the Covenant's most dangerous anti-ship weapon, would cut a Reaper up like butter.

@ ajw 34307:
Goddamnit, no. I haven't played any of the ME 2 DLC.

[Edited on 04.26.2011 11:56 AM PDT]

  • 04.26.2011 11:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: Omanisat
@ ajw 34307:
Goddamnit, no. I haven't played any of the ME 2 DLC.


Ah, I'd seriously reccomend getting them. Lair of the Shadow Broker, Overlord and Arrival are my personal favourites.

  • 04.26.2011 11:58 AM PDT

It's not a lack of desire, it's a lack of ability. I live out in the sticks, with no high-speed internet.I'm really hoping that Bioware will release an Ultimate edition with all the DLC before ME 3 comes out.

  • 04.26.2011 12:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: fsabran
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: ferrrari
Wtf, the reapers would get raped by the covies. WHY THE HELL ARE THEY EVEN ON THERE???


That's a joke, right? Mass Effect's everyday technology would be equivalent to Tier 1 in Halo and the Reapers would be on the same level as the Precursors.
are you retarded?


Take a deep breath and calm yourself down, you'll regret trying to argue like an immature child with me.

1-they don't have direct energy weapons

True, but what good will that do against a Collector Particle Beam, Blackstorm Projector, Arc Projector, Biotics (etc)?

2-they have just primitive energy shielding (kinectic barriers only deflect kinectic weapons

That's put humans out of the equation in any case.

3-they depend on Mass Relays for "fast"FTL

Reapers created them, when a Mass Relay is destroyed it has the effect of a supernova. Destroy a few of those and it's sending anything within its radius on a one-way trip to hell.

4-with the exeption of reapers they don't even have smart AI

EDI, geth...

1-EDI was reaper tecnology and it's worst than the covenant AI's
2-let's go with whaty a civilization needs to have tier 1
1Manipulate gravitational forces (reapers and council dont have it they can even manipulate mass but not gravity)
2-create full sentient AI's(the reapers are AI's so check)
3-Fabricate Super-dense materials(They can manipulate the mass of materials so check)
4-the ability to create life(they don't create life just harvest it)
5-create worlds (the citadel is the closest thing from a world the reapers have and even the covenant built biger instalations (highy charity) so no)
so council 1 of 5
reapers 2 of 5
so lets go with tier 2
1-near intantaneous means of comunication (check)
2-Man portable energy manipulation(no)
reapers 1 of 2
conclusion Reapers are tier 2 council is 3
PS:i apologise for the harsh words


[Edited on 04.26.2011 12:33 PM PDT]

  • 04.26.2011 12:30 PM PDT