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Subject: Who's the most powerful "ancient" alien race?

I didn't include the Precursors because we know very little about them, the Flood because they don't actually build anything thmeselves, and the transformers because I dislike them.

  • 04.26.2011 2:07 PM PDT


Posted by: Omanisat
^ That might be a slight exaggeration. Tier 2 civilizations like the Forerunners can move stars and create planets, which is beyond the Reapers. The Mass Effect universe is probably a 3.5 or 4.

Reapers would be very effective against Covenant ships. The shields in ME work by using element zero to create fields of energy that repels masses. The faster or heavier the mass being repelled, the more energy required. The primary Covenant anti-ship weapon is the plasma torpedo, which moves at relatively slow speeds and has very little mass, which means the Reaper's shields could repel many attacks. Pulse lasers and energy projectors are another story however.


tier 1, not tier 2

And to say the ME technology/weapons are tier 1 is likely one of the most exagerated things I've ever read. They're more like tier 3.

  • 04.26.2011 2:47 PM PDT

My Grandfather was a Desert Ranger, my Father was a Veteran Ranger in the NCR. My father was killed by Caesar's Legion and they took my Brother. It's now my responsibility to uphold the mantle of the Rangers and avenge my Father and find my Brother.

Forerunners or Precursors, I don't know much about the Reapers though.

[Edited on 04.26.2011 2:50 PM PDT]

  • 04.26.2011 2:49 PM PDT


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Posted by: Omanisat
^ That might be a slight exaggeration. Tier 2 civilizations like the Forerunners can move stars and create planets, which is beyond the Reapers. The Mass Effect universe is probably a 3.5 or 4.

Reapers would be very effective against Covenant ships. The shields in ME work by using element zero to create fields of energy that repels masses. The faster or heavier the mass being repelled, the more energy required. The primary Covenant anti-ship weapon is the plasma torpedo, which moves at relatively slow speeds and has very little mass, which means the Reaper's shields could repel many attacks. Pulse lasers and energy projectors are another story however.
yeah but the Kinectic barriers cant protect against the heat so they would be easily melted




Mass effect's weapons are impressive relative to their own universe. In comparison to Halo's they suck.

The Dreadnought's main weapon is considered "devestatingly powerful" in ME, but only hits with a max force of 36 kilotons. the UNSC's weakest ship weapon, Frigate MACs, hit with the force of 62 kilotons.

Conversly, Covenant weapons are something along the lines of several megatons, if you consider Halo Reach.

A plasma torpedo would seriously screw with Reaper and an energy projector would cut clean through it (since lasers pass through kinetics).

  • 04.26.2011 2:54 PM PDT


Posted by: Omanisat
^ That might be a slight exaggeration. Tier 2 civilizations like the Forerunners can move stars and create planets, which is beyond the Reapers. The Mass Effect universe is probably a 3.5 or 4.

Reapers would be very effective against Covenant ships. The shields in ME work by using element zero to create fields of energy that repels masses. The faster or heavier the mass being repelled, the more energy required. The primary Covenant anti-ship weapon is the plasma torpedo, which moves at relatively slow speeds and has very little mass, which means the Reaper's shields could repel many attacks. Pulse lasers and energy projectors are another story however.

Relatively slow speed!? It travels at half the speed of light!!

  • 04.26.2011 3:01 PM PDT

What, plasma? No it doesn't.

  • 04.26.2011 3:04 PM PDT

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The Wookies.
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  • 04.26.2011 3:05 PM PDT
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the forerunners are for sure the most enigmatic!
however technologically i think the alterrens (ancients) from stargate are ahead in the tech level, just.
stargates alone, let alone time travel, matter manipulation, intergalactic and in the end they advanced to the point of ascension!
The shedding of all matter as we know it, that was just after mastering all manner of psychokinetic ability's, so for me the alterrans beat the forerunners hands down, but the forerunners are very enigmatic therefore we are duped into thinking they are more than they actually were.
Hell even the Asgard in the Pegasus galaxy had powered suits that looked more advanced then the forerunner units we have seen so far!
so yeah thats my 2pence worth.

  • 04.26.2011 3:06 PM PDT
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even the use of the zero point field was common place. where the forerunners (cryptum) had to gather vacuum energy over time the ancients had a solid state zero point module, sure it would max out on entropy in the end but its still more advanced than collecting vacuum energy the way the forerunners were said to!

  • 04.26.2011 3:09 PM PDT


Posted by: Omanisat
What, plasma? No it doesn't.


Plasma, no. Energy Lance travels AT the speed of light though.

Doesn't matter anyway; a plasma torp from a standard CCS class has been calculated to be far and above more powerful then any known Mass Effect weapon, Reaper or not.

Though, in this debate, The Ancients were more advanced technologically. Weaponry is debatable (those who've read Cryptum know what I mean).

[Edited on 04.26.2011 3:11 PM PDT]

  • 04.26.2011 3:10 PM PDT

What's the Voi Portal if not a really big Stargate?

  • 04.26.2011 3:10 PM PDT


Posted by: Omanisat
What, plasma? No it doesn't.

Normal plasma: no much slower.
Plasma Torpedoes: Yes
EDIT: They use some sort of small MAC to accelerate the plasma in the plasma torpedoes, since it is very hot and lightweit it is very easy to accelerate.

[Edited on 04.26.2011 3:19 PM PDT]

  • 04.26.2011 3:15 PM PDT
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actually you are almost right there omanisat, the stargate use subspace which is on the same par with slipspace if not the same dimension. The Tolons however had mastered matterwave transport without transit using the sympathetic harmonic resonance fields of real time matter, that alone should put them on the map.
i have to add the weapons in stargate were really crap and contradictory considering the technology trees they depicted.

  • 04.26.2011 3:23 PM PDT

wort wort wort

Combine Overwatch iz the best bc they actualy won their war

  • 04.26.2011 3:26 PM PDT

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Reapers, they have killed atleast thousands of advanced races, I doubt the Forerunners or ancients would be a problem.
all of them less advanced then the covenant


You don't know that, neither do I know if they are more advanced. The only race that was killed by the reapers we know of are the Protheans, so we don't know if the previous races that the Reapers have killed aren't as advanced. And let not forget that it took two fleets (citadel and the alliance) to kill just one reaper (Sovereign)
soverign said that every time that a civilization rachs a power and tecnology level close to that of the council they Harvest them so they can't become more powerful then the reapers and the council falls short compared to the covenant

  • 04.26.2011 3:27 PM PDT


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Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
Reapers, they have killed atleast thousands of advanced races, I doubt the Forerunners or ancients would be a problem.
all of them less advanced then the covenant


You don't know that, neither do I know if they are more advanced. The only race that was killed by the reapers we know of are the Protheans, so we don't know if the previous races that the Reapers have killed aren't as advanced. And let not forget that it took two fleets (citadel and the alliance) to kill just one reaper (Sovereign)
soverign said that every time that a civilization rachs a power and tecnology level close to that of the council they Harvest them so they can't become more powerful then the reapers and the council falls short compared to the covenant


In some regards, they're inferior to the UNSC (FTL)

  • 04.26.2011 3:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
Reapers, they have killed atleast thousands of advanced races, I doubt the Forerunners or ancients would be a problem.
all of them less advanced then the covenant


You don't know that, neither do I know if they are more advanced. The only race that was killed by the reapers we know of are the Protheans, so we don't know if the previous races that the Reapers have killed aren't as advanced. And let not forget that it took two fleets (citadel and the alliance) to kill just one reaper (Sovereign)
soverign said that every time that a civilization rachs a power and tecnology level close to that of the council they Harvest them so they can't become more powerful then the reapers and the council falls short compared to the covenant


In some regards, they're inferior to the UNSC (FTL)
yeah also did you notice every civilization in ME is stupdily arrogant

[Edited on 04.26.2011 3:33 PM PDT]

  • 04.26.2011 3:33 PM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz

Posted by: fsabran

Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
Reapers, they have killed atleast thousands of advanced races, I doubt the Forerunners or ancients would be a problem.[/quote]all of them less advanced then the covenant


You don't know that, neither do I know if they are more advanced. The only race that was killed by the reapers we know of are the Protheans, so we don't know if the previous races that the Reapers have killed aren't as advanced. And let not forget that it took two fleets (citadel and the alliance) to kill just one reaper (Sovereign)
soverign said that every time that a civilization rachs a power and tecnology level close to that of the council they Harvest them so they can't become more powerful then the reapers and the council falls short compared to the covenant


In some regards, they're inferior to the UNSC (FTL)
yeah also did you notice every civilization in ME is stupdily arrogant


Part of the reason I don't like it. But we're not talking about Mass Effect, so lets stop.

  • 04.26.2011 3:37 PM PDT
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

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Wtf, the reapers would get raped by the covies. WHY THE HELL ARE THEY EVEN ON THERE???

From what ive heard stargate ancients are tough, but the forerunners would just use halo...

What are you smoking?

  • 04.26.2011 4:44 PM PDT
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

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Posted by: Omanisat
What, plasma? No it doesn't.


Plasma, no. Energy Lance travels AT the speed of light though.

Doesn't matter anyway; a plasma torp from a standard CCS class has been calculated to be far and above more powerful then any known Mass Effect weapon, Reaper or not.

Though, in this debate, The Ancients were more advanced technologically. Weaponry is debatable (those who've read Cryptum know what I mean).

A reapers main gun is planet cracker size and accelerates superheated molten metal to almost 1/5th of light speed. I would also like to mention reaper and a mass relay are made of the same material and a mass relay survived being caught in the edge of a supernova. And it doesn't even have shields.

  • 04.26.2011 4:47 PM PDT
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Omanisat
^ That might be a slight exaggeration. Tier 2 civilizations like the Forerunners can move stars and create planets, which is beyond the Reapers. The Mass Effect universe is probably a 3.5 or 4.

Reapers would be very effective against Covenant ships. The shields in ME work by using element zero to create fields of energy that repels masses. The faster or heavier the mass being repelled, the more energy required. The primary Covenant anti-ship weapon is the plasma torpedo, which moves at relatively slow speeds and has very little mass, which means the Reaper's shields could repel many attacks. Pulse lasers and energy projectors are another story however.


tier 1, not tier 2

And to say the ME technology/weapons are tier 1 is likely one of the most exagerated things I've ever read. They're more like tier 3.

More like tier 2.1. There Technology is better than most of what the covenant uses but they are no where near forerunner level.

Also Reapers can shape the evolution of organic life, which most likely means they are capable of moving planets, suns and even galaxy's, to make sure their "crop" grows.

  • 04.26.2011 4:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Omanisat
^ That might be a slight exaggeration. Tier 2 civilizations like the Forerunners can move stars and create planets, which is beyond the Reapers. The Mass Effect universe is probably a 3.5 or 4.

Reapers would be very effective against Covenant ships. The shields in ME work by using element zero to create fields of energy that repels masses. The faster or heavier the mass being repelled, the more energy required. The primary Covenant anti-ship weapon is the plasma torpedo, which moves at relatively slow speeds and has very little mass, which means the Reaper's shields could repel many attacks. Pulse lasers and energy projectors are another story however.


tier 1, not tier 2

And to say the ME technology/weapons are tier 1 is likely one of the most exagerated things I've ever read. They're more like tier 3.

More like tier 2.1. There Technology is better than most of what the covenant uses but they are no where near forerunner level.

Also Reapers can shape the evolution of organic life, which most likely means they are capable of moving planets, suns and even galaxy's, to make sure their "crop" grows.


The Forerunners have pretty much mastered evolution. Look no further than their achievement of mutation levels.

I'm a bit skeptical of the Reapers having their own "Plasma Jockeys" so to speak.


Also, on the note of Reapers being able to best the Forerunners because they've conquered thousands of races:

The Forerunners do the opposite and PRESERVE...MILLIONS of races. Back when humanity was at a technological height thousands and thousands of years before the UNSC ever existed, the Forerunners trashed them without too much damage just because they were harming small races and life forms on one of the arms of the Milky Way whilst moving farther inward to escape the Flood.

  • 04.26.2011 5:11 PM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Omanisat
^ That might be a slight exaggeration. Tier 2 civilizations like the Forerunners can move stars and create planets, which is beyond the Reapers. The Mass Effect universe is probably a 3.5 or 4.

Reapers would be very effective against Covenant ships. The shields in ME work by using element zero to create fields of energy that repels masses. The faster or heavier the mass being repelled, the more energy required. The primary Covenant anti-ship weapon is the plasma torpedo, which moves at relatively slow speeds and has very little mass, which means the Reaper's shields could repel many attacks. Pulse lasers and energy projectors are another story however.


tier 1, not tier 2

And to say the ME technology/weapons are tier 1 is likely one of the most exagerated things I've ever read. They're more like tier 3.

More like tier 2.1. There Technology is better than most of what the covenant uses but they are no where near forerunner level.

Also Reapers can shape the evolution of organic life, which most likely means they are capable of moving planets, suns and even galaxy's, to make sure their "crop" grows.


The Forerunners have pretty much mastered evolution. Look no further than their achievement of mutation levels.

I'm a bit skeptical of the Reapers having their own "Plasma Jockeys" so to speak.


Also, on the note of Reapers being able to best the Forerunners because they've conquered thousands of races:

The Forerunners do the opposite and PRESERVE...MILLIONS of races. Back when humanity was at a technological height thousands and thousands of years before the UNSC ever existed, the Forerunners trashed them without too much damage just because they were harming small races and life forms on one of the arms of the Milky Way whilst moving farther inward to escape the Flood.
The reapers made theprotheans extinct. The protheansare EXTREMELY ADVANCED. They maybe even equalto or a bit less than the forerunners. Theyrose to extremely advanced technological extremes and even brought humanity to rise in a technological step that has 4 times the tech of the UNSC. The protheans have few reminants but barely survived complete aniahlation from the reapers.The Reapers attack are like how the flood demolished foreruners. They dosrtoyed each stronhold completely erradicated their communications and picked off each planets existance of them and completely destroyed the race to the point of extiction.So please dont say the reapers would be destroyed. Im pretty sure the forerunners might win. And I am extremly knowingful of the forerunners abilities/tech


I have spent 56 days researching them straight becouse of my mass curiousity in them and their culture.

  • 04.26.2011 5:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Omanisat
^ That might be a slight exaggeration. Tier 2 civilizations like the Forerunners can move stars and create planets, which is beyond the Reapers. The Mass Effect universe is probably a 3.5 or 4.

Reapers would be very effective against Covenant ships. The shields in ME work by using element zero to create fields of energy that repels masses. The faster or heavier the mass being repelled, the more energy required. The primary Covenant anti-ship weapon is the plasma torpedo, which moves at relatively slow speeds and has very little mass, which means the Reaper's shields could repel many attacks. Pulse lasers and energy projectors are another story however.


tier 1, not tier 2

And to say the ME technology/weapons are tier 1 is likely one of the most exagerated things I've ever read. They're more like tier 3.

More like tier 2.1. There Technology is better than most of what the covenant uses but they are no where near forerunner level.

Also Reapers can shape the evolution of organic life, which most likely means they are capable of moving planets, suns and even galaxy's, to make sure their "crop" grows.


The Forerunners have pretty much mastered evolution. Look no further than their achievement of mutation levels.

I'm a bit skeptical of the Reapers having their own "Plasma Jockeys" so to speak.


Also, on the note of Reapers being able to best the Forerunners because they've conquered thousands of races:

The Forerunners do the opposite and PRESERVE...MILLIONS of races. Back when humanity was at a technological height thousands and thousands of years before the UNSC ever existed, the Forerunners trashed them without too much damage just because they were harming small races and life forms on one of the arms of the Milky Way whilst moving farther inward to escape the Flood.
The reapers made theprotheans extinct. The protheansare EXTREMELY ADVANCED. They maybe even equalto or a bit less than the forerunners. Theyrose to extremely advanced technological extremes and even brought humanity to rise in a technological step that has 4 times the tech of the UNSC. The protheans have few reminants but barely survived complete aniahlation from the reapers.The Reapers attack are like how the flood demolished foreruners. They dosrtoyed each stronhold completely erradicated their communications and picked off each planets existance of them and completely destroyed the race to the point of extiction.So please dont say the reapers would be destroyed. Im pretty sure the forerunners might win. And I am extremly knowingful of the forerunners abilities/tech


I have spent 56 days researching them straight becouse of my mass curiousity in them and their culture.
the reapers just desteroyed their communication means because they could only comunicate trhough the Mass Realys
also most people suporting the Reapers are using this logic
Reapers defeated ancient race ancient race is the most advanced in ME ancient race=precursors= reapers win against precusors precursors win against forehuners= reapers>forehuners
doenst this logic look a bit flawed

  • 04.26.2011 5:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Omanisat
Not the evil darth vader empire, it was some kind of empire though


Isn't the starforge that space ship that protects the death star? Sorry I don't really know anything about starwars outside the movies.

Rakatan Empire. Or the "Infinite Empire."

  • 04.26.2011 5:54 PM PDT