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Posted by: That Atheist
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Posted by: Omanisat
What, plasma? No it doesn't.


Plasma, no. Energy Lance travels AT the speed of light though.

Doesn't matter anyway; a plasma torp from a standard CCS class has been calculated to be far and above more powerful then any known Mass Effect weapon, Reaper or not.

Though, in this debate, The Ancients were more advanced technologically. Weaponry is debatable (those who've read Cryptum know what I mean).

A reapers main gun is planet cracker size and accelerates superheated molten metal to almost 1/5th of light speed. I would also like to mention reaper and a mass relay are made of the same material and a mass relay survived being caught in the edge of a supernova. And it doesn't even have shields.


That's Bull.

You kill Sovereign with a missile in ME1, either a kilo/sub-kilo bomb.

And if their main gun was a planet cracker, then the ships that get shot by it would have been vaporized, not blown up.

Both of what you just posted is directly contradicted by the final battle in ME1.

  • 04.26.2011 5:54 PM PDT

Let's be honest, it could be a lot worse.

I really don't know. Reapers are pretty awsome but without forerunners, we wouldn't have Halo.

  • 04.26.2011 5:59 PM PDT


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Posted by: Omanisat
^ That might be a slight exaggeration. Tier 2 civilizations like the Forerunners can move stars and create planets, which is beyond the Reapers. The Mass Effect universe is probably a 3.5 or 4.

Reapers would be very effective against Covenant ships. The shields in ME work by using element zero to create fields of energy that repels masses. The faster or heavier the mass being repelled, the more energy required. The primary Covenant anti-ship weapon is the plasma torpedo, which moves at relatively slow speeds and has very little mass, which means the Reaper's shields could repel many attacks. Pulse lasers and energy projectors are another story however.


tier 1, not tier 2

And to say the ME technology/weapons are tier 1 is likely one of the most exagerated things I've ever read. They're more like tier 3.

More like tier 2.1. There Technology is better than most of what the covenant uses but they are no where near forerunner level.

Also Reapers can shape the evolution of organic life, which most likely means they are capable of moving planets, suns and even galaxy's, to make sure their "crop" grows.


The Forerunners have pretty much mastered evolution. Look no further than their achievement of mutation levels.

I'm a bit skeptical of the Reapers having their own "Plasma Jockeys" so to speak.


Also, on the note of Reapers being able to best the Forerunners because they've conquered thousands of races:

The Forerunners do the opposite and PRESERVE...MILLIONS of races. Back when humanity was at a technological height thousands and thousands of years before the UNSC ever existed, the Forerunners trashed them without too much damage just because they were harming small races and life forms on one of the arms of the Milky Way whilst moving farther inward to escape the Flood.
The reapers made theprotheans extinct. The protheansare EXTREMELY ADVANCED. They maybe even equalto or a bit less than the forerunners. Theyrose to extremely advanced technological extremes and even brought humanity to rise in a technological step that has 4 times the tech of the UNSC. The protheans have few reminants but barely survived complete aniahlation from the reapers.The Reapers attack are like how the flood demolished foreruners. They dosrtoyed each stronhold completely erradicated their communications and picked off each planets existance of them and completely destroyed the race to the point of extiction.So please dont say the reapers would be destroyed. Im pretty sure the forerunners might win. And I am extremly knowingful of the forerunners abilities/tech


I have spent 56 days researching them straight becouse of my mass curiousity in them and their culture.


From my understanding, Reapers refuse to let any race or civilization surpass a certain point of technological achievement lest they become too powerful and manage to formulate an effective defense. After having read up on the Protheans (a lot) no where did I find mention of the popularly held belief the Protheans evolved humanity as a fact.

After the ruins were found on Mars, this concept grew about as a popular belief but was never verified as fact.

Consider this: the missile that killed Sovereign was kilo/sub-kilo in power. To the Covenant, who weild megaton to (arguably, considering evidence found in First Strike) multi-terra/petaton weaponry (depending on the ship) considered Forerunner ruins as indestructable (though this was likely brought about by worshipping them).

Point is, the Covenant's weaponry is superior to any known ME weapon, let alone the Forerunners (who, I might add, destroyed a planet with turrets and starfighters...and could force supernovae as a weapon).

Now consider this: Halo 3's Ark control room depicts Halo Installation .06 as having a battered moon like surface, but the Ring is still perfectly operational. These impact craters appear to be similar in size to kilo/megas and (in at least one arguable case) multi gigatonnage impacts. In Cryptum, we see a Ring get destroyed by a Forerunner ship with a couple of shots.

If the .06 could survive that many nuclear sized impacts, but they can't survive the ship weaponry....I need not say more.

Anything that can be compared to the Forerunners in regards to the Reapers is almost pure speculation.

Tehnologically: Reapers<Forerunners<Ancients<<<Precursors.

  • 04.26.2011 6:08 PM PDT

I'd like to point something out:

Forerunners: Extinct
Ancients: Ascended
Reapers: Still alive and kicking.

  • 04.26.2011 6:10 PM PDT

ancients b/c think about it.. forerunners only built halo b/c they didn't want flood to kill EVERYTHING ancients in a beatdown would only kill forerunners...also stargate owns handsdown

  • 04.26.2011 9:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Omanisat
What, plasma? No it doesn't.


Plasma, no. Energy Lance travels AT the speed of light though.

Doesn't matter anyway; a plasma torp from a standard CCS class has been calculated to be far and above more powerful then any known Mass Effect weapon, Reaper or not.

Though, in this debate, The Ancients were more advanced technologically. Weaponry is debatable (those who've read Cryptum know what I mean).

A reapers main gun is planet cracker size and accelerates superheated molten metal to almost 1/5th of light speed. I would also like to mention reaper and a mass relay are made of the same material and a mass relay survived being caught in the edge of a supernova. And it doesn't even have shields.


That's Bull.

You kill Sovereign with a missile in ME1, either a kilo/sub-kilo bomb.

And if their main gun was a planet cracker, then the ships that get shot by it would have been vaporized, not blown up.

Both of what you just posted is directly contradicted by the final battle in ME1.


When the re-animated Saren died, so did Sovereign, as popular belief has laid rest on. The bomb the Normandy fires is just the fatal shot that finally makes him crumble, after who knows how many salvas from the Citadel fleets.

His MAIN gun is a planet cracker, not the lasers on his multiple tentacles. You'd think he'd want to chill out with the planet cracker since he wanted to keep the Citadel intact enough to activate its portal.

And the most crushing fact; it's just one Reaper.

  • 04.26.2011 11:31 PM PDT

when is it ever stated his main gun is a planet cracker?

  • 04.27.2011 3:03 AM PDT
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If you're going to include Halo, why not Precursors?

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Halo 2 isn't dead jorge...... its just missing in action.
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Reapers and forerunners would be a good match.

  • 04.27.2011 3:43 AM PDT

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Forerunners. Their ships are huge compared to anything else.

  • 04.27.2011 3:48 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

The Halo array is far better then Dakara,to use the Dakara at full efficiency,you will need other stargates to spread the wave.Considering the Forerunners haven't any stargates,the Dakara will be of no use against the Forerunners.Unless you will built stargates in Forerunner territoy,but Forerunners won't allow something like that happen.

The Halo array can be moved through slipspace,so it can go to any location it wishes,wiping out the Ancients.Unless this match is about ascended ancients instead of mortal ancients.

BTW The Forerunner tech seems to be more impressive,can someone point out the feats of the ancients?



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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: Rider Luke
Reapers and forerunners would be a good match.


Reapers haven't any defense against Forerunner energy weapons,they use kinetic barriers.

  • 04.27.2011 4:27 AM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Omanisat
What, plasma? No it doesn't.


Plasma, no. Energy Lance travels AT the speed of light though.

Doesn't matter anyway; a plasma torp from a standard CCS class has been calculated to be far and above more powerful then any known Mass Effect weapon, Reaper or not.

Though, in this debate, The Ancients were more advanced technologically. Weaponry is debatable (those who've read Cryptum know what I mean).

A reapers main gun is planet cracker size and accelerates superheated molten metal to almost 1/5th of light speed. I would also like to mention reaper and a mass relay are made of the same material and a mass relay survived being caught in the edge of a supernova. And it doesn't even have shields.


That's Bull.

You kill Sovereign with a missile in ME1, either a kilo/sub-kilo bomb.

And if their main gun was a planet cracker, then the ships that get shot by it would have been vaporized, not blown up.

Both of what you just posted is directly contradicted by the final battle in ME1.


When the re-animated Saren died, so did Sovereign, as popular belief has laid rest on. The bomb the Normandy fires is just the fatal shot that finally makes him crumble, after who knows how many salvas from the Citadel fleets.

His MAIN gun is a planet cracker, not the lasers on his multiple tentacles. You'd think he'd want to chill out with the planet cracker since he wanted to keep the Citadel intact enough to activate its portal.

And the most crushing fact; it's just one Reaper.


Case in point: a missile cut clean through Sovereign's gut. I can understand his shields were down, but there is no way in hell he could have survived a supernova.

And yes, one Reaper. Yet in Mass Effect 3, a Reaper gets tackled by a Thresher Maw and almost loses (Gameinformer). if that giant plant thing can go toe to toe with a Reaper, I'm sure a Forerunner planet cracker could. Or a Covenant CCS

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I'd put a signature here but there is nowhere to sign...

--------- Why are the Precursors not on there ? Despite the fact that the ancient Forerunners rebelled against them and wiped them out, in all likely hood it was them that got the last laugh as it is believed that it was they that created the Flood as it started as a Powder. Talk about a Trojan Horse. If in fact it was the Precursors that created the flood bacteria ( or whatever they are ) then that is like them dropping a a slowly killing grenade as they died that ended up wiping out billions ----------

While they might not be directly as powerful as the Forerunners they side impact of them creating the flood is impressive

- this takes into account alot of speculation that it was the Precursors that created the flood as a sort of tool of revenge against the forerunners for rebelling and destroying them. ------

  • 04.27.2011 8:18 AM PDT

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Timelords?


They lost against cake mixer/plunger monsters. So probably not.


There was no winner of the Time War, the Doctor used the de-mat gun to systematically wipe out the Daleks and Time Lords. If he'd not done that, the Time Lords would have won under Rassilon's "final sanction" which would have the Time Lords ascend beyond the physical being.

  • 04.27.2011 8:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
And yes, one Reaper. Yet in Mass Effect 3, a Reaper gets tackled by a Thresher Maw and almost loses (Gameinformer). if that giant plant thing can go toe to toe with a Reaper, I'm sure a Forerunner planet cracker could. Or a Covenant CCS


It has been confirmed that Reapers come in different sizes, there's ones like Nazara who are kilometers long but there are others said to be about 5/600 meters.

Posted by: Black Hole 000
I'd like to point something out:

Forerunners: Extinct
Ancients: Ascended
Reapers: Still alive and kicking.


The Forerunners are not extinct. They simply exiled themselves from the Orion Arm to (as the Didact puts it) "follow in Their footsteps".

[Edited on 04.27.2011 8:31 AM PDT]

  • 04.27.2011 8:29 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
And yes, one Reaper. Yet in Mass Effect 3, a Reaper gets tackled by a Thresher Maw and almost loses (Gameinformer). if that giant plant thing can go toe to toe with a Reaper, I'm sure a Forerunner planet cracker could. Or a Covenant CCS


It has been confirmed that Reapers come in different sizes, there's ones like Nazara who are kilometers long but there are others said to be about 5/600 meters.

A: I understand; I'm trying to point out that Reaper armor can't survive a Nova.

Posted by: Black Hole 000
I'd like to point something out:

Forerunners: Extinct
Ancients: Ascended
Reapers: Still alive and kicking.


The Forerunners are not extinct. They simply exiled themselves from the Orion Arm to (as the Didact puts it) "follow in Their footsteps".


A: Which could damn well mean ascended as well if you take a look at the infinite power of the Precursors who they wish to follow.

*needs Cryptums 2 & 3*

  • 04.27.2011 8:34 AM PDT

The ancients would wipe out most forerunners, forerunners fire the halos, and it's a draw.

However, if the precursor were in....

  • 04.27.2011 8:36 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
And yes, one Reaper. Yet in Mass Effect 3, a Reaper gets tackled by a Thresher Maw and almost loses (Gameinformer). if that giant plant thing can go toe to toe with a Reaper, I'm sure a Forerunner planet cracker could. Or a Covenant CCS


It has been confirmed that Reapers come in different sizes, there's ones like Nazara who are kilometers long but there are others said to be about 5/600 meters.

A: I understand; I'm trying to point out that Reaper armor can't survive a Nova.

Posted by: Black Hole 000
I'd like to point something out:

Forerunners: Extinct
Ancients: Ascended
Reapers: Still alive and kicking.


The Forerunners are not extinct. They simply exiled themselves from the Orion Arm to (as the Didact puts it) "follow in Their footsteps".


A: Which could damn well mean ascended as well if you take a look at the infinite power of the Precursors who they wish to follow.

*needs Cryptums 2 & 3*


I hope so,Greg said recently that he is figuring out what the forerunners and precursors were up to :)

I expect to see cruptum 2 in 2012,januari.

  • 04.27.2011 8:48 AM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
And yes, one Reaper. Yet in Mass Effect 3, a Reaper gets tackled by a Thresher Maw and almost loses (Gameinformer). if that giant plant thing can go toe to toe with a Reaper, I'm sure a Forerunner planet cracker could. Or a Covenant CCS


It has been confirmed that Reapers come in different sizes, there's ones like Nazara who are kilometers long but there are others said to be about 5/600 meters.

A: I understand; I'm trying to point out that Reaper armor can't survive a Nova.

Posted by: Black Hole 000
I'd like to point something out:

Forerunners: Extinct
Ancients: Ascended
Reapers: Still alive and kicking.


The Forerunners are not extinct. They simply exiled themselves from the Orion Arm to (as the Didact puts it) "follow in Their footsteps".


A: Which could damn well mean ascended as well if you take a look at the infinite power of the Precursors who they wish to follow.

*needs Cryptums 2 & 3*


I hope so,Greg said recently that he is figuring out what the forerunners and precursors were up to :)

I expect to see cruptum 2 in 2012,januari.


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  • 04.27.2011 9:33 AM PDT

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I don't think people understand exactly how powerful an ascended ancient is...

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Posted by: Spartan1065
I don't think people understand exactly how powerful an ascended ancient is...

Gods, but since they don't interfere nearly at all it is hard to fully judge their power.

Which is why precursors shouldn't be included in this debate since we don't have many direct references to what they could do.

  • 04.27.2011 9:46 AM PDT


Posted by: Spartan1065
I don't think people understand exactly how powerful an ascended ancient is...


I believe we're referring to pre-ascension. It'd be foolish to think Forerunners>Ascended.

Still, if we're referring to post ascension, then make it the Precursors.

^^^Other then craft completely invincible technology, create life, and travel intergalactically. That's a big plus in my book.

[Edited on 04.27.2011 9:58 AM PDT]

  • 04.27.2011 9:57 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Spartan1065
I don't think people understand exactly how powerful an ascended ancient is...


I believe we're referring to pre-ascension. It'd be foolish to think Forerunners>Ascended.

Still, if we're referring to post ascension, then make it the Precursors.

^^^Other then craft completely invincible technology, create life, and travel intergalactically. That's a big plus in my book.


A Precursor could tank a Halo Ring wave,pretty impressive.It proves transsentient beings are God-like."Transcendence" itselfs means that too.

  • 04.27.2011 10:25 AM PDT

Posted by: otterboyz
when is it ever stated his main gun is a planet cracker?


I'm not sure if it's directly stated, but one of the Reapers' victims fought back around 37 million years ago and shot a MA round that cut through a Reaper and continued through space until eventually hitting a planet and making a considerably long and deep cut in the planets southern hemisphere, probably around the same size as the huge valley on Mars.

Since the Reapers always start their extermination procedures way before their victims are even close to their own technologic levels, it is logic to assume that since these aliens had such a powerful planet cracker, the Reapers have something even better in their own arsenal (unless the unknown species who shot the round was extra-galactic. but that would be ridiculous considering how everything in ME is based on travel between relays, and "manuel" travel takes several million years)

  • 04.27.2011 10:33 AM PDT