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Subject: Who's the most powerful "ancient" alien race?

Forerunners all wear incredibly advanced body armour, complete with an artificial intelligence, capable of sustaining a Forerunner's body just with the resources of the suit. Filtering out some Reaper signal would be child's play.

As for the EMP, that's assuming that A; the forerunners use technology that is susceptible to EM interference, B; they don't destroy it before it reaches them, or C; they don't co-opt it's effect and reflect it at you.

[Edited on 04.27.2011 2:11 PM PDT]

  • 04.27.2011 2:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: fsabran

you aren't understanding strange is relative, yes the Reapers are extremely strong in the ME universe, but when the ME universe is compared to another universe like Halo they aren't insanely strong in reality they are prety weak


I do understand that. What you don't understand is how that actually goes right around the bend, and since the Forerunners seem insanely psychotic ballistic badass in Halo doesn't mean we would know jack shyte about how they would work in ME. See how annoying that is? You can't stall my arguments by saying "everything is relative".
yeah i can because i seen booth the wikias i read all ther books in boh franchises and i played all the canpaing of both ME and ME2 i have the comic books and i already was in at least ten of these discussions so i can
another reason is if you conpare the two Halo is more powerful

[Edited on 04.27.2011 2:15 PM PDT]

  • 04.27.2011 2:12 PM PDT

E.T. would beat the Reapers, Forerunners and ancients put together.

  • 04.27.2011 2:14 PM PDT

Posted by: Omanisat
The Forerunners would simply move the black hole rather then build a station that can survive one.

ME's are great, right up until some giant robot squid decided to shut them down.

An engineer uses simple technology to hack other similar, simple technology. And while the engineer was trying to understand how the first Sentinel works, thiry more have found him and turned him into ash.

Also, the Collector vessel uses the same molten metal mass accelerator the the reapers use, it's not an energy weapon.


And how exactly does one move a black hole? Point a Forerunner-hairdryer at it and watch it sail away? Seriously, is it ever stated in Cryptum or whatever that the Forerunners could move black holes and other hypermassive bodies? The Collector Base has some sort of gravitational resistance thruster device that prevents it from being pulled in, but it doesn't take a ridiculously large crap on the quantum mechanics in the same manner as the Forerunners do if they can move black holes. I guess they can make Big Bangs too?

Engineers use super-advanced technology to hack synthetics with completely unknown data coding and all that stuff. When I play as an Engineer I don't need to understand how a Geth drone works, I just hack it, and it would work the same way if it was a Sentinel. I think. The last time I battled a horde of Sentinels as Master Chief I wasn't turned into ash at all, they were.

The Collector cruiser uses particle beams.

  • 04.27.2011 2:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: Omanisat
The Forerunners would simply move the black hole rather then build a station that can survive one.

ME's are great, right up until some giant robot squid decided to shut them down.

An engineer uses simple technology to hack other similar, simple technology. And while the engineer was trying to understand how the first Sentinel works, thiry more have found him and turned him into ash.

Also, the Collector vessel uses the same molten metal mass accelerator the the reapers use, it's not an energy weapon.


And how exactly does one move a black hole? Point a Forerunner-hairdryer at it and watch it sail away? Seriously, is it ever stated in Cryptum or whatever that the Forerunners could move black holes and other hypermassive bodies? The Collector Base has some sort of gravitational resistance thruster device that prevents it from being pulled in, but it doesn't take a ridiculously large crap on the quantum mechanics in the same manner as the Forerunners do if they can move black holes. I guess they can make Big Bangs too?

Engineers use super-advanced technology to hack synthetics with completely unknown data coding and all that stuff. When I play as an Engineer I don't need to understand how a Geth drone works, I just hack it, and it would work the same way if it was a Sentinel. I think. The last time I battled a horde of Sentinels as Master Chief I wasn't turned into ash at all, they were.

The Collector cruiser uses particle beams.
problem
Master Chief is a advanced supersoldier with state of the art armor unbrekable bones and superhuman strengh and bones also if you read Halo:the flood you would know how much hard time he spent fighting the sentinels

  • 04.27.2011 2:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Omanisat
Forerunners all wear incredibly advanced body armour, complete with an artificial intelligence, capable of sustaining a Forerunner's body just with the resources of the suit. Filtering out some Reaper signal would be child's play.

As for the EMP, that's assuming that A; the forerunners use technology that is susceptible to EM interference, B; they don't destroy it before it reaches them, or C; they don't co-opt it's effect and reflect it at you.


Reaper signals pass through everything, especially if they are totally psychological, which is the popular consensus. It's not like it's a virus that has to pass through the software in the suits.
A standard EMP works on both Sentinels and Forerunner Turrets. And assuming this is an all-out war, it wouldn't just be a matter of destroying a single electro-magnetic pulse.

  • 04.27.2011 2:21 PM PDT

As a matter of fact Cryptum does state that the Forerunners move massive objects, they move stars frequently and contemplated shifting the axis of galaxies!

The Geth and other hackable enemies in ME still all use a similar archiecture and hardware, just variations in coding, OS etc. The Forerunners could use biological elements or another completely alien system. "Super advanced technology" in the ME universe maybe.

The last time I played ME my character wasn't wearing a suit of Mjolnir armour with energy shields.

  • 04.27.2011 2:21 PM PDT

I'm not saying Forerunner armour would keep out the Reaper signal, I'm saying the ancilla contained within could counteract the orders being sent out by the Reaper.

  • 04.27.2011 2:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: fsabran

you aren't understanding strange is relative, yes the Reapers are extremely strong in the ME universe, but when the ME universe is compared to another universe like Halo they aren't insanely strong in reality they are prety weak


I do understand that. What you don't understand is how that actually goes right around the bend, and since the Forerunners seem insanely psychotic ballistic badass in Halo doesn't mean we would know jack shyte about how they would work in ME. See how annoying that is? You can't stall my arguments by saying "everything is relative".
yeah i can because i seen booth the wikias i read all ther books in boh franchises and i played all the canpaing of both ME and ME2 i have the comic books and i already was in at least ten of these discussions so i can
another reason is if you conpare the two Halo is more powerful


problem
Master Chief is a advanced supersoldier with state of the art armor unbrekable bones and superhuman strengh and bones also if you read Halo:the flood you would know how much hard time he spent fighting the sentinels


No, you can't. I have also played the games, read the wikias and all that stuff, but do I disable your "arguments" by saying I have experience in reading and discussing? No I don't, because it is completely ridiculous and adds nothing constructive to the debate.

Commander Shepard is also a supersoldier with great armor, shielding, agility, tough bones, supernatural strength and a very wide understanding of technology and advanced weaponry. What's your point?

  • 04.27.2011 2:26 PM PDT

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Commander Shepard is also a supersoldier with great armor, shielding, agility, tough bones, supernatural strength and a very wide understanding of technology and advanced weaponry. What's your point? please read this page
and this page
also read this pages http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_accelerator#Mass_Accele rators and http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Codex/Humanity_and_the_Syste ms_Alliance#Systems_Alliance:_Military_Ranks
see now what is my point?
also this


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  • 04.27.2011 2:32 PM PDT

Posted by: Omanisat
As a matter of fact Cryptum does state that the Forerunners move massive objects, they move stars frequently and contemplated shifting the axis of galaxies!

The Geth and other hackable enemies in ME still all use a similar archiecture and hardware, just variations in coding, OS etc. The Forerunners could use biological elements or another completely alien system. "Super advanced technology" in the ME universe maybe.

The last time I played ME my character wasn't wearing a suit of Mjolnir armour with energy shields.



Then I have nothing to say on that point. It just sounds silly and kinda mocks the Halo lore IMO, but they are on the level of gods when they can change galaxies like that.

Since the geth are alien I'd say it goes far beyond just a different OS. They have absolutely never been studied properly since they self-destruct after being captured, and the hacking technology must therefore be extremely advanced. The Collectors are actually open to a biological hacking method that Harbinger used too often for my Insanity-run to be enjoyable.

The standard armor in ME can endure more plasma fire than any Mjolnir suit in Halo. I'd say the energy shields are pretty equal, except it's only the Spartans who have them in Halo. In addition, characters in ME can utilize biotic barriers, but I'm gonna be kind and keep the biotics out of this discussion (though I feel I should after learning about the galaxy-manipulating).

  • 04.27.2011 2:35 PM PDT

Posted by: fsabran
Commander Shepard is also a supersoldier with great armor, shielding, agility, tough bones, supernatural strength and a very wide understanding of technology and advanced weaponry. What's your point? please read this page
and this page
also read this pages http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_accelerator#Mass_Accele rators and http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Codex/Humanity_and_the_Syste ms_Alliance#Systems_Alliance:_Military_Ranks
see now what is my point


Thank you very much, son. I have never heard of such articles....... Seriously, I think the lowest demond on being allowed in a sci-fi universe vs. another sci-fi universe is being well-read on their respectable wiki sites.

So...

You still lack points, substance and logic. No offence.

  • 04.27.2011 2:39 PM PDT

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  • 04.27.2011 2:42 PM PDT

I don't understand. Are you trolling right now, or are you about to start trolling?

  • 04.27.2011 3:03 PM PDT

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well i started now

  • 04.27.2011 3:04 PM PDT

Well if anyone out there like my self has read the ENITIRITY of the Dune series by Frank Herbert, and later his son, how do you think the machine race would hold up agianst either of thse three other races?...and I mean the machines at the very end of the series, not during the Butlerian Jihad...

  • 04.27.2011 6:56 PM PDT

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Ancients, they're basically omnipotent gods...

  • 04.27.2011 7:01 PM PDT


Posted by: oSAINT94o
Well if anyone out there like my self has read the ENITIRITY of the Dune series by Frank Herbert, and later his son, how do you think the machine race would hold up agianst either of thse three other races?...and I mean the machines at the very end of the series, not during the Butlerian Jihad...


Well, Ancients had Time travel, Forerunners inter-universal and (technically, though they never used it) intergalactic travel. Reapers are more akin to the Covenant.

I myself have never read Dune, though I've heard good things about it.

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Posted by: oSAINT94o
Well if anyone out there like my self has read the ENITIRITY of the Dune series by Frank Herbert, and later his son, how do you think the machine race would hold up agianst either of thse three other races?...and I mean the machines at the very end of the series, not during the Butlerian Jihad...


Well, Ancients had Time travel, Forerunners inter-universal and (technically, though they never used it) intergalactic travel. Reapers are more akin to the Covenant.

I myself have never read Dune, though I've heard good things about it.

Forerunners seem to have time travel too.
Edit: I seem to have found the passage I was looking for.
"It could easily have accommodated five thousand Warrior-Servants and support crew.
The aft spaces, above the drive chambers, were filled with machines of war-hundrerds of them, in compact storage as well as fully activated form, all far more modern than the sphinxes. Here were armed scouts and orbital picket cruisers to lay cordons and screens around larger vessels, thousands of anonymous, condensed combat wraps to convert personal armor, hand weapons ... tens of thousands of hand weapons of all varieties, for any situation."

That is a planet-breaker class ship. It's around 1km long. So yeah... if this is an indication of something... One can only imagine what "tens of thousands of hand weapons of all varieties, for any situation" mean. So this could take on many things while on boarding action.

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  • 04.27.2011 8:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: spurkis
Maybe, maybe not. As far as I know we don't know much about their armor except it's of the same material as the insanely tough relays, which makes me highly doubt that it's on the same level as the Covenant's armor.

Not really into Stargate.

Btw, Haestrom's sun was being manipulated by an external power, which most likely wasn't Geth. It could be something else, but the Reapers are for the moment the most suspectible. And if they can screw with stars like that, then they can be considered toe to toe with the Forerunners in that matter. Not sure if this star manipulation is linked with shielding or weapon technology, or something else.


I don't know why you think the reapers can fight the Forerunners.Their shields can't even stop energy weapons,this puts them at a high disadvantage.

Then the Forerunner tech is also better then the Reapers:
-Massive Industrial capacity
-Low end starship weapons are in teraton(their weapons did better then the POA's reactor detonation)
-Ground forces can sweep continents
-They have explored other realities
-They can build stars and planets
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When was a Reaper destroyed by an energy weapon that passed through its shields?

What do we know about the Reapers' industrial capabilities except for how they are able to construct gigantic space stations that defy the gravitational forces of a black hole, and like the Forerunners, build enormous artificial worlds with fictional gravity and friendly atmospheres? I'm not even gonna mention the Mass Relays.

Physics isn't my field, but standard Reaper weaponry are guns that beam streams of molten metal at like 1/5 lightspeed. The Collectors, which can be described as the "low end" of the Reapers, use some sort of energy beam that cuts clean through every ship in the ME universe.

I'm not trying to turn this into a Halo vs. Mass Effect thread, but the Reapers could basically just indoctrinate the Forerunners and turn them into their own ground forces. In addition to that they have tons of agents and minions, like corrupt Turians, Geth, Collectors etc.

I haven't read Cryptum, so that "reality" stuff sounds a little too Harry Potter for me right now. What use would that be in an open war anyway? Also, the Reapers' indoctrination skills is most likely the answer to this alternate universe-stuff, seeing how it affects sub-consciousness.

The Collector Base is the closest thing to a planet they have, and it defies gravity, but I don't see why that is relevant anyway. Why would the Reapers need planets? Stars? They can pre-maturely destroy stars, that's for sure, but build? For what use?

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Their shields can only defend themselfs against kinetic attacks(correct me if i'm wrong)
If it's true then Forerunners energy weapons will cut through hordes of Reapers with ease.

Which artificial worlds?Exemples?
Forerunners can built a single Halo ring in a few months,a ring has a diameter of 30000 km.That already proves how quickly they can construct something massive like that.With this massive industrial capacity,they can quickly built entire fleets and literally drown the reapers with sheer numbers alone.Not even counting that a single Forerunners ship would beat a Reaper.

More exemples:
-They can provide energy for artificial starts for +100000 years
-Massive Micro dyson sphere with the size of 2AU or 300million km
-Artifical planets like Onyx,they can fuse an asteroid field into a single protoplanet
.....

Because this beam is effective against ME fforces doesn't means it's effective against Forerunners.How powerful are those beams?Megatons?If so then Forerunners shields can easily survive through that.

How will they indoctrinate Forerunners if reapers will be destroyed the moment they appear within the ship Captains view.

Harry Potter like?Forerunner is more like similar to Culture tech.

Planets are needed for resources,accommodating your population,...Building planets proves how technically advanced the Forerunners are and shows how big their industrial capcity is,this gives them automatically the advantage of lots of resources,which are needed for you army and Navy.

BTW Forerunners can shuffle their planets around to protect them,their planets also have planetary shields which i doubt the Reapers will be able to penetrate.

I have a questiondo Reapers have worlds are they just like nomads slaughtering species and sleeping in outer space?


  • 04.28.2011 8:11 AM PDT


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The Wookies.


Ewoks would be better

  • 04.28.2011 9:03 AM PDT

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Posted by: spurkis
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Posted by: spurkis
Maybe, maybe not. As far as I know we don't know much about their armor except it's of the same material as the insanely tough relays, which makes me highly doubt that it's on the same level as the Covenant's armor.

Not really into Stargate.

Btw, Haestrom's sun was being manipulated by an external power, which most likely wasn't Geth. It could be something else, but the Reapers are for the moment the most suspectible. And if they can screw with stars like that, then they can be considered toe to toe with the Forerunners in that matter. Not sure if this star manipulation is linked with shielding or weapon technology, or something else.


I don't know why you think the reapers can fight the Forerunners.Their shields can't even stop energy weapons,this puts them at a high disadvantage.

Then the Forerunner tech is also better then the Reapers:
-Massive Industrial capacity
-Low end starship weapons are in teraton(their weapons did better then the POA's reactor detonation)
-Ground forces can sweep continents
-They have explored other realities
-They can build stars and planets
...
..


When was a Reaper destroyed by an energy weapon that passed through its shields?

What do we know about the Reapers' industrial capabilities except for how they are able to construct gigantic space stations that defy the gravitational forces of a black hole, and like the Forerunners, build enormous artificial worlds with fictional gravity and friendly atmospheres? I'm not even gonna mention the Mass Relays.

Physics isn't my field, but standard Reaper weaponry are guns that beam streams of molten metal at like 1/5 lightspeed. The Collectors, which can be described as the "low end" of the Reapers, use some sort of energy beam that cuts clean through every ship in the ME universe.

I'm not trying to turn this into a Halo vs. Mass Effect thread, but the Reapers could basically just indoctrinate the Forerunners and turn them into their own ground forces. In addition to that they have tons of agents and minions, like corrupt Turians, Geth, Collectors etc.

I haven't read Cryptum, so that "reality" stuff sounds a little too Harry Potter for me right now. What use would that be in an open war anyway? Also, the Reapers' indoctrination skills is most likely the answer to this alternate universe-stuff, seeing how it affects sub-consciousness.

The Collector Base is the closest thing to a planet they have, and it defies gravity, but I don't see why that is relevant anyway. Why would the Reapers need planets? Stars? They can pre-maturely destroy stars, that's for sure, but build? For what use?

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Their shields can only defend themselfs against kinetic attacks(correct me if i'm wrong)
If it's true then Forerunners energy weapons will cut through hordes of Reapers with ease.

Which artificial worlds?Exemples?
Forerunners can built a single Halo ring in a few months,a ring has a diameter of 30000 km.That already proves how quickly they can construct something massive like that.With this massive industrial capacity,they can quickly built entire fleets and literally drown the reapers with sheer numbers alone.Not even counting that a single Forerunners ship would beat a Reaper.

More exemples:
-They can provide energy for artificial starts for +100000 years
-Massive Micro dyson sphere with the size of 2AU or 300million km
-Artifical planets like Onyx,they can fuse an asteroid field into a single protoplanet
.....

Because this beam is effective against ME fforces doesn't means it's effective against Forerunners.How powerful are those beams?Megatons?If so then Forerunners shields can easily survive through that.

How will they indoctrinate Forerunners if reapers will be destroyed the moment they appear within the ship Captains view.

Harry Potter like?Forerunner is more like similar to Culture tech.

Planets are needed for resources,accommodating your population,...Building planets proves how technically advanced the Forerunners are and shows how big their industrial capcity is,this gives them automatically the advantage of lots of resources,which are needed for you army and Navy.

BTW Forerunners can shuffle their planets around to protect them,their planets also have planetary shields which i doubt the Reapers will be able to penetrate.

I have a questiondo Reapers have worlds are they just like nomads slaughtering species and sleeping in outer space?


this was exactly my point

  • 04.28.2011 9:57 AM PDT

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Well the Forerunners are good, but not that good. In my eyes, the Reapers are the most powerful Alien race.

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Posted by: Halo biggest fan
Well the Forerunners are good, but not that good. In my eyes, the Reapers are the most powerful Alien race.


Then you really don't know the depth lore about ether game.

Reapers are most likley the weakest alien races in sc-fi, the forerunners are middle class, upper middle class at the most.

  • 04.28.2011 10:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: Halo biggest fan
Well the Forerunners are good, but not that good. In my eyes, the Reapers are the most powerful Alien race.


?Should i make a list of all scfi fictions that would -blam!- the reapers?

  • 04.28.2011 10:13 AM PDT