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Posted by: Halo biggest fan
Well the Forerunners are good, but not that good. In my eyes, the Reapers are the most powerful Alien race.


The Reapers are technologically inferior to the Covenant; the Forerunners would lawl their arrogant asses off to them (yes, I know almost all there is to know about the Reapers).

  • 04.28.2011 11:39 AM PDT

right on the Reaper topic, Sovereign could do absolutely nothing, at all in any way shape or form to an Ancient warship. it just could not penetrate its defences. Alteran (Ancients) shields stop everything, whether it be heat or matter all is stopped the same and they don't get penetrated as long as they have power feeding them, Atlantis shield for example had no strength, no magical 'shields are down to 60%' like in Star Trek, if there was power, they held regardless.

also think an Alteran warship is probably around the same length as Sovereign as well so nothing between them there, the problem is drone weapons, Drones > Reapers since nothing except Ancient shields has ever been shown stopping a Drone. two of them fired from a tiny tiny Puddle Jumper blew up a Ha'tak in one episode, one of them crippled a Wraith cruiser and the list goes on, the only ship I ever seen survive being hit by them was a Puddle Jumper with shields created by Mckay, and since they are Ancient that makes sense is suppose.

  • 04.28.2011 11:45 AM PDT

Posted by: hotshot revan II



Their shields can only defend themselfs against kinetic attacks(correct me if i'm wrong)
If it's true then Forerunners energy weapons will cut through hordes of Reapers with ease.

Which artificial worlds?Exemples?
Forerunners can built a single Halo ring in a few months,a ring has a diameter of 30000 km.That already proves how quickly they can construct something massive like that.With this massive industrial capacity,they can quickly built entire fleets and literally drown the reapers with sheer numbers alone.Not even counting that a single Forerunners ship would beat a Reaper.

More exemples:
-They can provide energy for artificial starts for +100000 years
-Massive Micro dyson sphere with the size of 2AU or 300million km
-Artifical planets like Onyx,they can fuse an asteroid field into a single protoplanet
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Because this beam is effective against ME fforces doesn't means it's effective against Forerunners.How powerful are those beams?Megatons?If so then Forerunners shields can easily survive through that.

How will they indoctrinate Forerunners if reapers will be destroyed the moment they appear within the ship Captains view.

Harry Potter like?Forerunner is more like similar to Culture tech.

Planets are needed for resources,accommodating your population,...Building planets proves how technically advanced the Forerunners are and shows how big their industrial capcity is,this gives them automatically the advantage of lots of resources,which are needed for you army and Navy.

BTW Forerunners can shuffle their planets around to protect them,their planets also have planetary shields which i doubt the Reapers will be able to penetrate.

I have a questiondo Reapers have worlds are they just like nomads slaughtering species and sleeping in outer space?




It is never stated what kinds of shielding the Reapers have, but it is very strong nonetheless. By the way, the kinetic barriers in ME do protect against energy weapons. The Collector Beam, for instance.

The Citadel is of course the prime example of their artificial worlds. The Collector Base too, but it isn't exactly pretty to look at.

I hate such "arguments". I can simply retort to that by saying "You don't know how powerful Forerunner weapons are in Mass Effect omg!", but I'm not going to because it is irrelevant. But look at it this way: Johnson got hit by a monitor beam with death to follow, and John was harmed. If I remember correctly, The Arbiter was blown into the room behind him. The Reaper Oculus in ME2 is a similar floating orb with a red eye that projects an energy beam. While Shepard can survive brief hits from this beam because of gameplay issues, these two floating orbs can be a sort of link between Halo and ME. Two equally powerful chunks of metal and A.I. So Forerunner energy weaponry doesn't have to be so goddamn incredibly powerful as all of you say it is. The only difference is that the monitors are cutting edge Forerunner technology with the best of everything because they are tasked with seeing over their legacy, while the Oculus orbs are simple drones stationed by the gateway to the Collector Base.

They would indroctrinate them by placing a Reaper device on an asteroid or something, that the Forerunners would investigate and furthermore, examinate in a research facility. Then the artifact would turn them into servants of the Reapers, the captain too.

You are forgetting that the Reapers don't need resources in the same way as we/the Forerunners do. They get all the materials they require during each Milky Way visit. Then they upgrade their specs, leave a vanguard Reaper behind in the galaxy and go into hibernation in dark space for the next 50.000 years or so.

As far as we know the Reapers have no planets, since they live beyond the galaxy, past any star system. They are like a big bunch of interstellar janitors and garbage men gone rogue on organic life.

[Edited on 04.28.2011 1:34 PM PDT]

  • 04.28.2011 1:31 PM PDT

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Halo biggest fan
Well the Forerunners are good, but not that good. In my eyes, the Reapers are the most powerful Alien race.


The Reapers are technologically inferior to the Covenant; the Forerunners would lawl their arrogant asses off to them (yes, I know almost all there is to know about the Reapers).


No. Just no. The Covenant are not even near the Reapers. Firstly, size isn't everything, believe it or not. This is illustrated throughout the whole Halo saga! 2: the Covenant's plasma weaponry are garbage. They couldn't hit a Reaper cruising through space because the bolts simply move too slow. 3: Haven't I mentioned indoctrination enough times already? Basically just like The Flood, but much more subtle.
4: If neccessary, millions of Collectors could be slipspaced into the massive void inside High Charity and proceed to utterly wreck the whole city just like The Flood did.

  • 04.28.2011 1:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Halo biggest fan
Well the Forerunners are good, but not that good. In my eyes, the Reapers are the most powerful Alien race.


The Reapers are technologically inferior to the Covenant; the Forerunners would lawl their arrogant asses off to them (yes, I know almost all there is to know about the Reapers).


No. Just no. The Covenant are not even near the Reapers. Firstly, size isn't everything, believe it or not. This is illustrated throughout the whole Halo saga! 2:


Size may not be anything but that is why the reapers lose.

The reapers themselves are low in number maybe only 200 of them while the covenant might have a total of 1,000 ships or so.

That being said in a full out battle with 200 reapers vs 1,000 covenant ships Battlecrusier class and up

The reapers would flat out lose.

  • 04.28.2011 2:34 PM PDT

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Obviously they would beat the three species polled but are by far not the best.

  • 04.28.2011 2:38 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Halo biggest fan
Well the Forerunners are good, but not that good. In my eyes, the Reapers are the most powerful Alien race.


The Reapers are technologically inferior to the Covenant; the Forerunners would lawl their arrogant asses off to them (yes, I know almost all there is to know about the Reapers).


No. Just no. The Covenant are not even near the Reapers. Firstly, size isn't everything, believe it or not. This is illustrated throughout the whole Halo saga! 2:


Size may not be anything but that is why the reapers lose.

The reapers themselves are low in number maybe only 200 of them while the covenant might have a total of 1,000 ships or so.

That being said in a full out battle with 200 reapers vs 1,000 covenant ships Battlecrusier class and up

The reapers would flat out lose.


200 Reapers? I hope you don't estimate that out of the scene where we see Harbinger. Yes, there are around 276 Reapers shown in that exact frame, but in the frame where we see him from the side there are many more than those shown in the front frame. There are probably even more beyond the 276 we see anyway, as we can't see any signs of galaxies behind the Reapers. meaning they actually cover the entire sight from the camera's point of view. Sovereign also says that "their numbers will darken the skies of every one of our worlds", and 276 plus the hundreds we see from the side are clearly not enough to do that.

37 million years ago, a Reaper was destroyed by one of the races they were harvesting. Since they attempt to create a new Reaper from every species they exterminate, in those 37 million years atleast 740 Reapers have been constructed (739 if you don't count the failed Prothean Reaper).

How is a plasma torpedo even supposed to hit a fast-moving Reaper?

  • 04.28.2011 2:55 PM PDT


Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Halo biggest fan
Well the Forerunners are good, but not that good. In my eyes, the Reapers are the most powerful Alien race.


The Reapers are technologically inferior to the Covenant; the Forerunners would lawl their arrogant asses off to them (yes, I know almost all there is to know about the Reapers).


No. Just no. The Covenant are not even near the Reapers. Firstly, size isn't everything, believe it or not. This is illustrated throughout the whole Halo saga! 2: the Covenant's plasma weaponry are garbage. They couldn't hit a Reaper cruising through space because the bolts simply move too slow. 3: Haven't I mentioned indoctrination enough times already? Basically just like The Flood, but much more subtle.
4: If neccessary, millions of Collectors could be slipspaced into the massive void inside High Charity and proceed to utterly wreck the whole city just like The Flood did.


You are ignoring blatantly obvious evidence and logic by throwing out implausibilities and base assumptions. Loopholes, basically, that you come up with that make the Reapers win; aka: fanboyism. I have seen no--repeat NO --evidence suggesting the Reapers are any stronger then the Covenant. Have you heard of an energy lance? The beam of pure light that--as you should realize--fires at lightspeed, fully capable of obliterating 5 fully armed and armored UNSC ships 100,000 kilometers away with one shot. All Covenant ships with an Energy Projector can do this.

Or howabout the Covenant Assault Carrier? A behemoth which has been known to vaporize targets as large as a 3 kilometer asteroid with a single shot. The energy required to do this is several petatons.

EG: one trillion kilotons per petaton. And if I'm not mistaken, a sub kiloton bomb killed Sovereign in Mass Effect 1.

Sorry to point this out, by size does matter, in Halo at least; larger ship=bigger reactors=more power=bigger guns.

Its absolute bull to try and say that you don't care how powerful Forerunner weaponry is in a vs. match and then say Reapers>Forerunners whilst the whole while completely ignoring the evidence brought to bear. Need I remind you of the scene in Cryptum where a planet is literally pulled apart by Forerunner turrets and starfighters?

Or of the fact they could shatter a Halo Ring in a couple of shots, something 100,000 years of constant kilo/mega/gigatonnage asteroid impacts couldn't even hope to do?

Or of the trillion+ ships in a single fleet?

Trans-universal travel?

And don't get me started on the Ancients; time travel trumps any technology the Reapers have.

You base your entire defense over the concept of Reaper indoctrination, yet you fail to see its one major and obvious flaw: it takes a long time. Did you not pay any attention to the death of Sovereign in ME1? If their indoctrination powers were so godly, that they could be as whimsically used as you suggest, then the Citadel should have fallen. Yet Sovereign died just as well.

You do not consider that a Forerunner Fortess would eat a Reaper alive before it could even start to contemplate indoctrinating the crew. These are the ships and people that use supernovae and trans-universal entanglement traps (Onyx sentinels) as weapons remember.

It seems I--and the other people here--understand the three races better then you do. I don't even watch Stargate and I know they're superior.

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Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Halo biggest fan
Well the Forerunners are good, but not that good. In my eyes, the Reapers are the most powerful Alien race.


The Reapers are technologically inferior to the Covenant; the Forerunners would lawl their arrogant asses off to them (yes, I know almost all there is to know about the Reapers).


No. Just no. The Covenant are not even near the Reapers. Firstly, size isn't everything, believe it or not. This is illustrated throughout the whole Halo saga! 2:


Size may not be anything but that is why the reapers lose.

The reapers themselves are low in number maybe only 200 of them while the covenant might have a total of 1,000 ships or so.

That being said in a full out battle with 200 reapers vs 1,000 covenant ships Battlecrusier class and up

The reapers would flat out lose.


200 Reapers? I hope you don't estimate that out of the scene where we see Harbinger. Yes, there are around 276 Reapers shown in that exact frame, but in the frame where we see him from the side there are many more than those shown in the front frame. There are probably even more beyond the 276 we see anyway, as we can't see any signs of galaxies behind the Reapers. meaning they actually cover the entire sight from the camera's point of view. Sovereign also says that "their numbers will darken the skies of every one of our worlds", and 276 plus the hundreds we see from the side are clearly not enough to do that.

37 million years ago, a Reaper was destroyed by one of the races they were harvesting. Since they attempt to create a new Reaper from every species they exterminate, in those 37 million years atleast 740 Reapers have been constructed (739 if you don't count the failed Prothean Reaper).

How is a plasma torpedo even supposed to hit a fast-moving Reaper?


I guarantee you that the reapers have no more than 600 ships.

the mass effect universe uses extremely small scales compared to other sc-fi universes. Halo is bigger than the citidel, nearly every ship in halo is bigger than there respecfive comparasions in mass effect, etc


While the objects seem really large in mass effect they truly aren't. So find out the number of ships that made up the citadel fleet and i accurately assume depending on the number that the reapers will have the same amount if not twice as much.

Which will still be nothing compared to halo.

And why do you act like plasma torpedos are the only weapons covenant ships have?

  • 04.28.2011 3:17 PM PDT

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  • 04.28.2011 3:41 PM PDT

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343 guilty spark wasn't the top of the top construct spurkis... In Cryptum, they mention sentinels specificaly made for the defense of the halo. Some of those sentinels took the shots of the destrutor beams and sacrificed themselves while absorbing the shots. The beams that destroyed the halo installation.
Onyx sentinels might be as powerfull as the monitors or even more and they are exponentialy more powerfull when they combine. There are trillions of them.

  • 04.28.2011 5:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: wildnuke
Timelords?


dont get started on then for the love of Gman.
Stargate ancients are technically more powerful, they have generators that last longer than a nuclear reactor, they can travel time, get across a galaxy within a few minutes, and have pistols that can blow away entire buildings

  • 04.28.2011 5:37 PM PDT

Well here's how I imagine a total war going. Assume they both are going all out, deploying everything they have. Also assume that they are battling in a solar system, as the Reapers would probably attack there. And assuming that all physics translate over. The Reapers have a fleet of at least 300 or so (based on the picture) but they are ancient so they could have 100000 kilometer long ships. But in my opinion it doesn't make a difference.

The Reapers are in essence AI, and I think that they are more powerful than say your average AI. Maybe equal to a Contender Class AI. Now that means that the Reapers wouldn't have much trouble taking out a large chunk of the automated Forerunner forces, leaving only the Formibable manned ships.

So the Forerunners come at them with everything they have, most of which is energy based from what I could discern from Cryptum. Now contary to most beleifs, Kinetic barriers can stop energy. And even past that there was a Mass Relay that survived a Super Nova, and they built the relays so they probably have even better armor.

So my conclusion is that it would be a very even battle. The Reapers have a defense edge, being massive AI-ships with damn near unbreakable armor and the Kinetic Barriers, but there weapons are unknown, so we have to give the offense edge to the Forerunners. They have some planet crackers in their arsenal, and a massive number of ships (I'm not counting those gaurding things around the San Shyuum home planet, they don't count).

There is one other thing I want to point out. Sovereign wasn't a full Reaper, he was a scout. You don't send your best knight to an assassin's job. His job was to be fast and not to fight alot. He didn't need to be as armored or weaponized, and that is why he got blown up. Even then it took an entire fleet of ships to even take down his sheilds, along with the blow dealt by Shepard killing Saren, AND Joker, being the boss pilot that he is, put a shot through a weak point, that shot wouldn't have done anything if it has hit somewhere else.

AND yes, the ancients would own so so hard, but they're all ascended, so it doesn't matter.

  • 04.28.2011 5:39 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

I don't think Forerunners have to even try, they can just use one of their sentinel factories, like in Ghosts of Onyx.

According to the book, a sentinel is made every 6 seconds, this constructs can combine to further increase their already heavy firepower.

Hell, about 40 combined Onyx sentinels took out a CSS Cruiser with one shot. Imagine if the trillion (possibly quadrillion) Sentinels from Onyx combined?

  • 04.28.2011 5:59 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I don't think Forerunners have to even try, they can just use one of their sentinel factories, like in Ghosts of Onyx.

According to the book, a sentinel is made every 6 seconds, this constructs can combine to further increase their already heavy firepower.

Hell, about 40 combined Onyx sentinels took out a CSS Cruiser with one shot. Imagine if the trillion (possibly quadrillion) Sentinels from Onyx combined?


Like I said, the Reapers could hack them. And the Reapers have those Oculus things, plenty of them, and they seem very powerful too.

Issue is, you can pump out alot of sentinals, but only as much as the resources, I don't think you could make more than afew hundred thousand. There could be million of Oculuses (Oculi?)

  • 04.28.2011 6:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: Black Hole 000

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I don't think Forerunners have to even try, they can just use one of their sentinel factories, like in Ghosts of Onyx.

According to the book, a sentinel is made every 6 seconds, this constructs can combine to further increase their already heavy firepower.

Hell, about 40 combined Onyx sentinels took out a CSS Cruiser with one shot. Imagine if the trillion (possibly quadrillion) Sentinels from Onyx combined?


Like I said, the Reapers could hack them. And the Reapers have those Oculus things, plenty of them, and they seem very powerful too.

Issue is, you can pump out alot of sentinals, but only as much as the resources, I don't think you could make more than afew hundred thousand. There could be million of Oculuses (Oculi?)


Onyx itself was made out of Sentinels, so I doubt resources are a problem. So, a sentinel is made every 6 seconds for 100,000 years. That'd be something along the lines of 31,104,000 sentinels per year.

  • 04.28.2011 6:13 PM PDT

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Black Hole 000

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I don't think Forerunners have to even try, they can just use one of their sentinel factories, like in Ghosts of Onyx.

According to the book, a sentinel is made every 6 seconds, this constructs can combine to further increase their already heavy firepower.

Hell, about 40 combined Onyx sentinels took out a CSS Cruiser with one shot. Imagine if the trillion (possibly quadrillion) Sentinels from Onyx combined?


Like I said, the Reapers could hack them. And the Reapers have those Oculus things, plenty of them, and they seem very powerful too.

Issue is, you can pump out alot of sentinals, but only as much as the resources, I don't think you could make more than afew hundred thousand. There could be million of Oculuses (Oculi?)


Onyx itself was made out of Sentinels, so I doubt resources are a problem. So, a sentinel is made every 6 seconds for 100,000 years. That'd be something along the lines of 31,104,000 sentinels per year.


Well you don't know how many of these factories there are, or if their even online when they don't need to be. And the fact that Onyx is made out of sentinals means it has less resources.

  • 04.28.2011 6:24 PM PDT


Posted by: Black Hole 000

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I don't think Forerunners have to even try, they can just use one of their sentinel factories, like in Ghosts of Onyx.

According to the book, a sentinel is made every 6 seconds, this constructs can combine to further increase their already heavy firepower.

Hell, about 40 combined Onyx sentinels took out a CSS Cruiser with one shot. Imagine if the trillion (possibly quadrillion) Sentinels from Onyx combined?


Like I said, the Reapers could hack them. And the Reapers have those Oculus things, plenty of them, and they seem very powerful too.

Issue is, you can pump out alot of sentinals, but only as much as the resources, I don't think you could make more than afew hundred thousand. There could be million of Oculuses (Oculi?)


I keep hearing this "Reapers would hack them" yet no one takes a look at what Reapears are to the Forerunners. To them, a Reaper is simply another Ancilla (AI) piloting a ship that is laughably weaker then their own. "Reaper" AI are common place on pretty much all Forerunner vessels, Civillian and military. saying "Reapers would hack them" would require the accumlative hack of every ship in a Forerunner fleet instantly, whilst bypassing Forerunner security systems AND the Domain (possibly extra-dimensional "internet" of the Forerunners. Implied to be the collective consciousness of the entire Forerunner Eccumene (Empire) which spans 3 million worlds.)

So you say the Reapers would hack that?

If one somewhat augmented human with inferior weaponry can cause serious trouble for the Reapers, try a race of nearly immortal supermen that wear armor 4 times in power of the Master Chief's, hold weapons kinetics can do nothing to defend against, universally use AI's as effectively as Cortana, have ship weapons capable of obliterating planets, and use supernovae as stellar grenades.

And then the Ancients, who are ascended to godhood post ascension, pre-ascension had the ability to time travel.

In fact, just for -blam!-s and giggles, I'd seriously like to see how long the Reapers would last against the Xeelee or the Precursors. Preferably the Xeelee, since at the VERY least, real life physics can actually kill them.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Black Hole 000

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I don't think Forerunners have to even try, they can just use one of their sentinel factories, like in Ghosts of Onyx.

According to the book, a sentinel is made every 6 seconds, this constructs can combine to further increase their already heavy firepower.

Hell, about 40 combined Onyx sentinels took out a CSS Cruiser with one shot. Imagine if the trillion (possibly quadrillion) Sentinels from Onyx combined?


Like I said, the Reapers could hack them. And the Reapers have those Oculus things, plenty of them, and they seem very powerful too.

Issue is, you can pump out alot of sentinals, but only as much as the resources, I don't think you could make more than afew hundred thousand. There could be million of Oculuses (Oculi?)


Onyx itself was made out of Sentinels, so I doubt resources are a problem. So, a sentinel is made every 6 seconds for 100,000 years. That'd be something along the lines of 31,104,000 sentinels per year.


Well you don't know how many of these factories there are, or if their even online when they don't need to be. And the fact that Onyx is made out of sentinals means it has less resources.

There are trillionS of onyx sentinels. I think their network is too complex to easily be hacked, wouldn't they be the ones hacking? Plus if a contender-class ancillia came, they would have a good leadership. Mendicant Bias took 43 years of conversation to become rampant. Pretty much he cn hold up for a long time. Plus the forerunners could use AI supressors.

  • 04.28.2011 6:37 PM PDT

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They built a 2 mile wide city, capable of FTL and that holds thousands of antiship weapons and advanced tech.

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  • 04.28.2011 6:52 PM PDT

The Reapers could hack them. A single Reaper has more than likely as much, if not greater abilities than a Contender Class. If one Contender class AI can take control of a planet, like in Cryptum, then a fleet of Reapers would be able to hack like crazy. They have wiped out species in a cycle perhaps thousands of times, meaning they have dealth with millions of types of computers, AI, firewalls, and stuff like that. I honestly think that Onyx would fall to a single Reaper. And like I said earlier, Kinetics CAN stop energy weapons. And the reapers could indoctrinate them, its not a slow process, Sovereign made it slow so Soren wouldn't notice it with anyone. Your supersoldiers would be turned against you, there's no way to block it.

  • 04.28.2011 6:53 PM PDT


Posted by: Black Hole 000
The Reapers could hack them. A single Reaper has more than likely as much, if not greater abilities than a Contender Class. If one Contender class AI can take control of a planet, like in Cryptum, then a fleet of Reapers would be able to hack like crazy. They have wiped out species in a cycle perhaps thousands of times, meaning they have dealth with millions of types of computers, AI, firewalls, and stuff like that. I honestly think that Onyx would fall to a single Reaper. And like I said earlier, Kinetics CAN stop energy weapons. And the reapers could indoctrinate them, its not a slow process, Sovereign made it slow so Soren wouldn't notice it with anyone. Your supersoldiers would be turned against you, there's no way to block it.


So we lose in Mass Effect 3?

Interesting. I figured the game would be over 20 minutes long but it looks like I was wrong. Because, as you clearly prove, if a Tier 1 civilization cannot defeat the almighty Reapers, surely a Tier 3 couldn't. Nope, so I guess we might as well make it official. I'll call IGN right now.

Lets see....what'll be the headline...Ah! I know!

"Guy on Bungie.net, through careful and wholly accurate prediction and analyse concludes Mass Effect 3 will be only 20 minutes long."

Sounds about right.

Damn that indoctrination; can't beat something thats unbeatable huh? No awards for ME3 it seems. Bummer. If only Bioware made a fightable enemy. But so long as they give just enough information to suggest they're unkillable to any race in science fiction, I guess its good right!?

/sarcasm

Listen man: I seriously hope you're kidding. Indoctrination takes days to weeks, and only works if a Reaper is still somewhat intact. A Contender Class Ancilla controlled a fleet of 180 million starships in the final fight of the Flood War; their intellectual capacity is borderline infinite, and the only way to hack the Domain is to have access to trans-universal/consciouss (pending on how it works) technology.

A Forerunner fleet could compose of trillions of starships, all of them with planet breaking weaponry, far to many for the entire Reaper fleet to either hack or indoctrinate, and I don't care what you say: they can't.

And the Reaper's lack of energy weapons make the Forerunners shielding laugh (consider: Forerunner ships can survive planet obliterating weapons. Reapers can survive MACs. Big difference). And no, a light weapon would go clean through shielding technology. Forerunner weapons ARE literally light weapons, hyper-dense photons, no mass to block.

I'll bet you think they could defeat the Xeelee/Precursors, right? If so, you're either a troll or horribly ill-informed about the Xeelee.

  • 04.28.2011 7:12 PM PDT

For the love of GOD, kinetic barriers don't affect anything without mass!

Here's the exact, word for word quote from the ME Codex:

Kinetic barriers, colloquially called "shields", provide protection against most mass accelerator weapons. Whether on a starship or a soldier's suit of armor, the basic principle remains the same.

Kinetic barriers are repulsive mass effect fields projected from tiny emitters. These shields safely deflect small objects traveling at rapid velocities. This affords protection from bullets and other dangerous projectiles, but still allows the user to sit down without knocking away their chair.

The shielding afforded by kinetic barriers does not protect against extremes of temperature, toxins, or radiation.


They use a negative mass field to repel objects with positive mass. Note where it says kinetic barriers DO NOT PROTECT against temperatures or radiation, the primary damaging effects of Covenant weaponry!

  • 04.28.2011 7:27 PM PDT


Posted by: Omanisat
For the love of GOD, kinetic barriers don't affect anything without mass!

Here's the exact, word for word quote from the ME Codex:

Kinetic barriers, colloquially called "shields", provide protection against most mass accelerator weapons. Whether on a starship or a soldier's suit of armor, the basic principle remains the same.

Kinetic barriers are repulsive mass effect fields projected from tiny emitters. These shields safely deflect small objects traveling at rapid velocities. This affords protection from bullets and other dangerous projectiles, but still allows the user to sit down without knocking away their chair.

The shielding afforded by kinetic barriers does not protect against extremes of temperature, toxins, or radiation.


They use a negative mass field to repel objects with positive mass. Note where it says kinetic barriers DO NOT PROTECT against temperatures or radiation, the primary damaging effects of Covenant weaponry!


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Why do Halo defenders know more about Mass Effect then Mass Effect defenders?

  • 04.28.2011 7:30 PM PDT