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Mass Effect Reapers by far.

  • 05.01.2011 3:44 PM PDT


Posted by: wildnuke
Although it's obvious that precuresors are the victor in these four species,where does it state that thier tech is invincible? Also why is that only halo's weapons could break down nueral structures, couldn't another species from another universe do so?

@ROBERTO jh


1) Bornstellar states that Precursor structures are quite literally indestructable. Saying that some ancient Precursor cities have been sucked underneath the surface of planets over millions of years of plate tectonics, churned about, pushed through the core, and then millions of years later reemerged completely unscathed. He says they're "eternal" and is stunned Halo damaged the ruins on Charum Hakkor.

Another example is Precursor world bridges: bridges stretching from planet to planet without snapping.

2) I say that because the Precursor's technology called Neural Physics is unique to Halo. The only way that another race could possibly harm a Precursor ship is if it fired a weapon with the exact same specifications and Neural Science as Halo. As it stands, no other universe has this science. (Didact suggests that Halo was specially tuned to destroy the Prisoner's prison, saying that even Halo shouldn't have been able to damage Precursor relics in his design for them.)

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Its already been established throughout this thread that the Reapers are the weakest of these races.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: TheBestTheyHad
Mass Effect Reapers by far.


Have you not read the last 4 pages? the reapers are out.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: TheBestTheyHad
Mass Effect Reapers by far.


Have you not read the last 4 pages? the reapers are out.

No, you guys are just under estimating them and using the lack of resources and reliable information on them against them.

Also, has anyone else noticed that this thread is now about aproximentaly six differnt "god races" fighting it out instead of the five originally purposed by the OP?

BTW, the original five are: The Ceph form Crysis, the forerunners from Halo, the Ancients from Stargate, Xel'naga from Starcraft and the reapers from Mass Effect.

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  • 05.01.2011 5:16 PM PDT

Honestly, this creation of mine is begining to scare me.

  • 05.01.2011 5:20 PM PDT


Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: TheBestTheyHad
Mass Effect Reapers by far.


Have you not read the last 4 pages? the reapers are out.

No, you guys are just under estimating them and using the lack of resources and reliable information on them against them.

Also, has anyone else noticed that this thread is now about aproximentaly six differnt "god races" fighting it out instead of the five originally purposed by the OP?

BTW, the original five are: The Ceph form Crysis, the forerunners from Halo, the Ancients from Stargate, Xel'naga from Starcraft and the reapers from Mass Effect.


So we have a lack of information. So we start making assumptions then, right?

Okay then. The Forerunners warships can death star a planet from 100 light years away. Nothing in Cryptum or the rest of Halo has ever said they can't, so why not?

Look: not to be harsh but the Reapers are done, face it.

And the god race debate started due to general agreement the Ancients won.

[Edited on 05.01.2011 5:24 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: TheBestTheyHad
Mass Effect Reapers by far.


Have you not read the last 4 pages? the reapers are out.

No, you guys are just under estimating them and using the lack of resources and reliable information on them against them.



First off they are "under estimated" because everything in mass effect is of a smaller scale compared to halo and anything else. And the last 4-6 pages have been using information from mass effect to prove that the reapers are not that strong.

Read before you post.

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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: TheBestTheyHad
Mass Effect Reapers by far.


Have you not read the last 4 pages? the reapers are out.

No, you guys are just under estimating them and using the lack of resources and reliable information on them against them.

Also, has anyone else noticed that this thread is now about aproximentaly six differnt "god races" fighting it out instead of the five originally purposed by the OP?

BTW, the original five are: The Ceph form Crysis, the forerunners from Halo, the Ancients from Stargate, Xel'naga from Starcraft and the reapers from Mass Effect.


So we have a lack of information. So we start making assumptions then, right?

Okay then. The Forerunners warships can death star a planet from 100 light years away. Nothing in Cryptum or the rest of Halo has ever said they can't, so why not?

Look: not to be harsh but the Reapers are done, face it.

And the god race debate started due to general agreement the Ancients won.

thats the problem is that this isn't a discussion any more, its who can make up the bigger gun.
Also, I agree with you on the last part. Ancients would kick ass.

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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: TheBestTheyHad
Mass Effect Reapers by far.


Have you not read the last 4 pages? the reapers are out.

No, you guys are just under estimating them and using the lack of resources and reliable information on them against them.



First off they are "under estimated" because everything in mass effect is of a smaller scale compared to halo and anything else. And the last 4-6 pages have been using information from mass effect to prove that the reapers are not that strong.

Read before you post.

Been here from practically the beginning.
The whole problem with this thread is the lack of reliable information on any of these alien races.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: TheBestTheyHad
Mass Effect Reapers by far.


Have you not read the last 4 pages? the reapers are out.

No, you guys are just under estimating them and using the lack of resources and reliable information on them against them.



First off they are "under estimated" because everything in mass effect is of a smaller scale compared to halo and anything else. And the last 4-6 pages have been using information from mass effect to prove that the reapers are not that strong.

Read before you post.

Been here from practically the beginning.
The whole problem with this thread is the lack of reliable information on any of these alien races.


obviously you haven't been paying attention then.

Read the last few pages.

the covenant could defeat the reapers and thats that, don't come in to a debate and then get mad that your point of view wasn't correct.

though you can try with another race and another scenario.

  • 05.01.2011 5:31 PM PDT


Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: TheBestTheyHad
Mass Effect Reapers by far.


Have you not read the last 4 pages? the reapers are out.

No, you guys are just under estimating them and using the lack of resources and reliable information on them against them.



First off they are "under estimated" because everything in mass effect is of a smaller scale compared to halo and anything else. And the last 4-6 pages have been using information from mass effect to prove that the reapers are not that strong.

Read before you post.

Been here from practically the beginning.
The whole problem with this thread is the lack of reliable information on any of these alien races.


What lack of information? We're using information given by current sources. I think Cryptum is pretty reliable and all. And the ME codex is too. Though I know little of the Ancients, time travel kind of takes it automatically.

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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.



Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: TheBestTheyHad
Mass Effect Reapers by far.[/quote]

Have you not read the last 4 pages? the reapers are out.

No, you guys are just under estimating them and using the lack of resources and reliable information on them against them.



First off they are "under estimated" because everything in mass effect is of a smaller scale compared to halo and anything else. And the last 4-6 pages have been using information from mass effect to prove that the reapers are not that strong.

Read before you post.

Been here from practically the beginning.
The whole problem with this thread is the lack of reliable information on any of these alien races.


What lack of information? We're using information given by current sources. I think Cryptum is pretty reliable and all. And the ME codex is too. Though I know little of the Ancients, time travel kind of takes it automatically.

Yes we have sources but none of them tell us much about these races. Why? Easy. mystery. The forerunners are suposed to be somewhat mysterious, if they weren't do you really think Halo would have its charm?
Or the Reapers. They have to be mysterious, other wise they wouldn't be as scary.
The only race with a significant amount of reliable information on them is the Ancients, who would kill everything, with the exception of the Precursors and the Warhammer 40k gods that I can't remember the name of.

  • 05.01.2011 5:34 PM PDT


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: TheBestTheyHad
Mass Effect Reapers by far.[/quote]

Have you not read the last 4 pages? the reapers are out.[/quote]
No, you guys are just under estimating them and using the lack of resources and reliable information on them against them.



First off they are "under estimated" because everything in mass effect is of a smaller scale compared to halo and anything else. And the last 4-6 pages have been using information from mass effect to prove that the reapers are not that strong.

Read before you post.

Been here from practically the beginning.
The whole problem with this thread is the lack of reliable information on any of these alien races.


What lack of information? We're using information given by current sources. I think Cryptum is pretty reliable and all. And the ME codex is too. Though I know little of the Ancients, time travel kind of takes it automatically.

Yes we have sources but none of them tell us much about these races. Why? Easy. mystery. The forerunners are suposed to be somewhat mysterious, if they weren't do you really think Halo would have its charm?
Or the Reapers. They have to be mysterious, other wise they wouldn't be as scary.
The only race with a significant amount of reliable information on them is the Ancients, who would kill everything, with the exception of the Precursors and the Warhammer 40k gods that I can't remember the name of.


Chaos Gods I believe.

And the Ancients would -blam!- themselves if they met the Xeeelee (the only baryonic race that might cause Precursors concern).

Anyway, regarding what we have, we know the strength of the Forerunners fighters (the ones that destroyed a planet), and can gague with some accuracy the strength of their ships.

Really the ultimate reason why Forerunners>Reapers is that Forerunner weaponry is a mix of both plasma and light. And light bypasses shielding in ME.

But really the fact the Fighters pulled a planet apart seems good enough for me.

Then the Covenant. Assault Carrier plasma cannons hit with the force of 202.1 gigatons. I seriously doubt Sovereign could take that.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: TheBestTheyHad
Mass Effect Reapers by far.[/quote]

Have you not read the last 4 pages? the reapers are out.[/quote]
No, you guys are just under estimating them and using the lack of resources and reliable information on them against them.

[/quote]

First off they are "under estimated" because everything in mass effect is of a smaller scale compared to halo and anything else. And the last 4-6 pages have been using information from mass effect to prove that the reapers are not that strong.

Read before you post.

Been here from practically the beginning.
The whole problem with this thread is the lack of reliable information on any of these alien races.


What lack of information? We're using information given by current sources. I think Cryptum is pretty reliable and all. And the ME codex is too. Though I know little of the Ancients, time travel kind of takes it automatically.

Yes we have sources but none of them tell us much about these races. Why? Easy. mystery. The forerunners are suposed to be somewhat mysterious, if they weren't do you really think Halo would have its charm?
Or the Reapers. They have to be mysterious, other wise they wouldn't be as scary.
The only race with a significant amount of reliable information on them is the Ancients, who would kill everything, with the exception of the Precursors and the Warhammer 40k gods that I can't remember the name of.


Chaos Gods I believe.

And the Ancients would -blam!- themselves if they met the Xeeelee (the only baryonic race that might cause Precursors concern).

Anyway, regarding what we have, we know the strength of the Forerunners fighters (the ones that destroyed a planet), and can gague with some accuracy the strength of their ships.

Really the ultimate reason why Forerunners>Reapers is that Forerunner weaponry is a mix of both plasma and light. And light bypasses shielding in ME.

But really the fact the Fighters pulled a planet apart seems good enough for me.

Then the Covenant. Assault Carrier plasma cannons hit with the force of 202.1 gigatons. I seriously doubt Sovereign could take that.

Hmm, i think the assault carrier weaponry is a little too large to be practical but I defer.
I heard Reapers shield aren't actually kinetic barriers like the ones you us in ME but I need to find a source. Honestly, I think the forerunners would win but I still think the Reapers are being under estimated. Some people are making it out like they couldn't even fight caveman with a stick.

Also, the Xeelee would kick some serious ass.

  • 05.01.2011 5:43 PM PDT

I stopped posting here after I saw ROBERTO's post in another thread saying that a Covenant Corvette could destroy Sovereign with no problem. I just felt there was no point in discussing further.

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I stopped posting here after I saw ROBERTO's post in another thread saying that a Covenant Corvette could destroy Sovereign with no problem. I just felt there was no point in discussing further.

Then why post now?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Don't bring the xeelee into this, we aren't talking about gods yet.

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Posted by: grey101
Don't bring the xeelee into this, we aren't talking about gods yet.

Precursor, Ascended and Chaos Gods have already been mentioned, I think we can bring in the XeeLee now.

  • 05.01.2011 5:50 PM PDT

Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: spurkis
I stopped posting here after I saw ROBERTO's post in another thread saying that a Covenant Corvette could destroy Sovereign with no problem. I just felt there was no point in discussing further.

Then why post now?


I notied people saying that it's an established fact that the Reapers are inferior, and I felt it was just because fewer and fewer people are argumenting pro-Reaper.

[Edited on 05.01.2011 5:52 PM PDT]

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Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: spurkis
I stopped posting here after I saw ROBERTO's post in another thread saying that a Covenant Corvette could destroy Sovereign with no problem. I just felt there was no point in discussing further.

Then why post now?


I notied people saying that it's an established fact that the Reapers are inferior, and I felt it was just because fewer and fewer people are argumenting pro-Reaper.

hmm, okay.

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

How about we agree that this would end up in a galactic stalemate and create another thread in which the gods duke it out. Because I would love to see a thread on Precursors vs. Ascended Ancients vs. Chaos Gods vs. Xel'naga vs. C'tan vs. Xeelee vs. Whatever else we can think of.

  • 05.01.2011 7:29 PM PDT


Posted by: spurkis
I stopped posting here after I saw ROBERTO's post in another thread saying that a Covenant Corvette could destroy Sovereign with no problem. I just felt there was no point in discussing further.


Howabout you show me that quote? No idiot in their right mind would seriously believe a Corvette can kill a Reaper.

The weakest ship I said was CCS Class Cruiser, on account of their megatonnage weaponry, which in retrospect might be an even match for Sovereign on account of his durability. Stop paraphrasing and warping my posts to make me look like and idiot.

  • 05.01.2011 7:48 PM PDT

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But wouldn't prevent something that leads to the time travel event create a paradox and so explode the universe?
I don't even think the doctor would be able to help a lot.

  • 05.01.2011 9:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: spurkis
I stopped posting here after I saw ROBERTO's post in another thread saying that a Covenant Corvette could destroy Sovereign with no problem. I just felt there was no point in discussing further.


Howabout you show me that quote? No idiot in their right mind would seriously believe a Corvette can kill a Reaper.

The weakest ship I said was CCS Class Cruiser, on account of their megatonnage weaponry, which in retrospect might be an even match for Sovereign on account of his durability. Stop paraphrasing and warping my posts to make me look like and idiot.


In 40k ships bombarding planet from orbit ''boiled oceans away, shattered mountains and cracked the surface''. This was achieved by standard imperial ships in book Nemesis. Since Necron weaponry is in numerous ways more efficient, it can be believed that their weaponry can also destroy planets. Reapers havent done such deeds yet, or have they? If they havent, I dont believe that they have weaponry is powerfull enough to do proper harm to necron fleets.

And oh, to destroy Precursors. Again, I take chaos god here, Nurgle and have fun with it. Since Nurgle is god of diseases and is able to create uncurable diseases, such as Nurgle's rot. If they precursors or / and forerunners could create somehow guarantine zones, chaos gods could simply create warp storms to spread it.

About Nurgle's rot:

It is completely incurable, highly infectious, has a very slow course that turns the infected into bloated, rotting, corpses, and worst of all it corrupts the soul of the infected into new Plaguebearers.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

I say that because the Precursor's technology called Neural Physics is unique to Halo. The only way that another race could possibly harm a Precursor ship is if it fired a weapon with the exact same specifications and Neural Science as Halo. As it stands, no other universe has this science.


False. Tzeentch is god of knowledge and change, and every thought, creation or anything that has happened, is known by Tzeentch, because all information can be found on the Hidden library.

This means, that if Tzeentch can have knowledge about Precursor weaponry and how it works, so can other beings in 40k too.

THE EDIT: I will come back to talk about Ancients soon, now I have to do some research about them.

[Edited on 05.01.2011 9:52 PM PDT]

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: spurkis
I stopped posting here after I saw ROBERTO's post in another thread saying that a Covenant Corvette could destroy Sovereign with no problem. I just felt there was no point in discussing further.


Howabout you show me that quote? No idiot in their right mind would seriously believe a Corvette can kill a Reaper.

The weakest ship I said was CCS Class Cruiser, on account of their megatonnage weaponry, which in retrospect might be an even match for Sovereign on account of his durability. Stop paraphrasing and warping my posts to make me look like and idiot.


In 40k ships bombarding planet from orbit ''boiled oceans away, shattered mountains and cracked the surface''. This was achieved by standard imperial ships in book Nemesis. Since Necron weaponry is in numerous ways more efficient, it can be believed that their weaponry can also destroy planets. Reapers havent done such deeds yet, or have they? If they havent, I dont believe that they have weaponry is powerfull enough to do proper harm to necron fleets.

And oh, to destroy Precursors. Again, I take chaos god here, Nurgle and have fun with it. Since Nurgle is god of diseases and is able to create uncurable diseases, such as Nurgle's rot. If they precursors or / and forerunners could create somehow guarantine zones, chaos gods could simply create warp storms to spread it.

About Nurgle's rot:

It is completely incurable, highly infectious, has a very slow course that turns the infected into bloated, rotting, corpses, and worst of all it corrupts the soul of the infected into new Plaguebearers.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

I say that because the Precursor's technology called Neural Physics is unique to Halo. The only way that another race could possibly harm a Precursor ship is if it fired a weapon with the exact same specifications and Neural Science as Halo. As it stands, no other universe has this science.


False. Tzeentch is god of knowledge and change, and every thought, creation or anything that has happened, is known by Tzeentch, because all information can be found on the Hidden library.

This means, that if Tzeentch can have knowledge about Precursor weaponry and how it works, so can other beings in 40k too.

THE EDIT: I will come back to talk about Ancients soon, now I have to do some research about them.

As Warhammer is less realistic than traveling faster than the speed of light, all I have to say is: Precursors, Precursors, Precursors

  • 05.01.2011 11:08 PM PDT