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Subject: Who's the most powerful "ancient" alien race?

Posted by: iamironman4611
"Hello, I am Ring Moniter 666 John Cena".


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: EnragedAUSTIN11
this is bull crap

I dont even know anything from mass effect but I saw this and was like hell naw


lolMassEffecthasnooriginality.


*Ahem*

  • 04.29.2011 9:47 AM PDT

Posted by: iamironman4611
"Hello, I am Ring Moniter 666 John Cena".

Relevant to Indoctrination:

From Mass Effect's Wiki:

"Over days, perhaps a week of exposure to Sovereign's signal, the subject stops thinking for themselves and just obeys, eventually becoming a mindless servant."

  • 04.29.2011 9:52 AM PDT

So much for moving on...

The Forerunner dreadnought in H3 is shown to survive multiple MAC blasts from UNSC frigates without any damage.

For indoctronation to work, it requires that A: the Forerunners don't detect the signal and react to it, and B: the Forerunners just stand around the damn thing for days on end. They're there to kill them, not look at them.

Also, @ That Atheist:
No, it's Xel'Naga
Shadows of the Xel'Naga Cover

[Edited on 04.29.2011 10:12 AM PDT]

  • 04.29.2011 9:57 AM PDT

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I think here the Forerunners are way too strong for the Stargate Ancients and Reapers together...

  • 04.29.2011 10:35 AM PDT
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

Heres how I think this will play out: The Reapers, Xel'Naga and Forerunners all start fighting, while the Ceph are like "LOLno, were just going back to our own galaxy." The three fighting races come to a stand still, then the ancients come in and are like "what is this!?" and attack all three races. Finally the Precursors show up and are like "LOLwut?" and destroy everyone.
The end.

  • 04.29.2011 10:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: PunxsatownyPhil

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: EnragedAUSTIN11
this is bull crap

I dont even know anything from mass effect but I saw this and was like hell naw


lolMassEffecthasnooriginality.


*Ahem*


Touché, although in my defense, there other cities in Bespin, while both High Charity and Omega are supposed to be unique.

  • 04.29.2011 11:34 AM PDT

Posted by: iamironman4611
"Hello, I am Ring Moniter 666 John Cena".


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: PunxsatownyPhil

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: EnragedAUSTIN11
this is bull crap

I dont even know anything from mass effect but I saw this and was like hell naw


lolMassEffecthasnooriginality.


*Ahem*


Touché, although in my defense, there other cities in Bespin, while both High Charity and Omega are supposed to be unique.


That doesn't quite defend it. It's still 24+ years older than High Charity :P

  • 04.29.2011 11:36 AM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.

Precursors.

  • 04.29.2011 11:49 AM PDT

i definitely think the Flood should be on that list. Because I definitely believe that the Flood is the toughest of them all

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Posted by: PunxsatownyPhil

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: PunxsatownyPhil

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: EnragedAUSTIN11
this is bull crap

I dont even know anything from mass effect but I saw this and was like hell naw


lolMassEffecthasnooriginality.


*Ahem*


Touché, although in my defense, there other cities in Bespin, while both High Charity and Omega are supposed to be unique.


That doesn't quite defend it. It's still 24+ years older than High Charity :P

High charity is more bulbous too.

  • 04.29.2011 2:12 PM PDT

Posted by: fsabran

hypocrite alert


Stop spamming this board before you get banned.

  • 04.29.2011 2:31 PM PDT

"You are who you dare"

You owe it to yourself to get out and be someone. Get to work!

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After reading Halo Cryptum, the answer is obviously forerunners.

  • 04.29.2011 2:37 PM PDT

Posted by: hotshot revan II



1)Citadel isn't an artifial planet,more like a station.An artifcial planet is a planet not created by nature .
Here is the construction of an artificial planet:

http://www.halopedian.com/images/9/9c/Artificial_Planets.jpg

A Halo ring is larger then a planet(with Cryptums new size).A ring has flora,atmosphere too.

The Forerunners were able to built an enite massive micro dyson sphere inside slipspace.It has it's own artifial sun and it has a diameter of 300 million km.

2)Your entire point about it aris made off assumptions.It's like saying that the UNSC navy weapons might rival the Forerunners because a splazer is stronger then Sparks weapon.

3)Well good luck with that.Cause it will take thousands of years to arrive in Forerunner space.Before it even happens the reapers will already be extint.Even if the Forerunner find it,then their own AI's will beat the Sovereigns AI.
How powerful are Reaper AI's anyway?

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Well why doesn't b.net post the quote i try to post,it says something about extended characters are not allowed
*explosive sigh*


I thought we were talking about artificial worlds, not planets. I have explained why the Reapers have no use of creating their own planets.

It's supposed to be an assumption. It's just a suggestion to how the two factions' lesser units may be on around the same level. FYI, the Oculus I'm talking about can tear through a powerful vessel's reinforced hull and shield, in a short burst.

Lol, the Reapers are the last ones to be extinct just like that. Thousand years is not even a blimp of time in their scale. They've been around for atleast 37,000,000 years and won't just die of boredom in a 1000-year period.

How do you calculate "strength" in an AI, exactly? If you mean intelligence, reaction times then I can't really say. Play Mass Effect and see for yourself whenever Sovereign is on-screen, especially in the very last battle scene where the pinnacle of multitasking is at view, lol. In ME2, a Reaper can communicate with someone in the core of the galaxy directly from across two galaxy lengths.

[Edited on 04.29.2011 2:53 PM PDT]

  • 04.29.2011 2:43 PM PDT
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

Precursors. There, thread over.

Heres how I think this will play out: The Reapers, Xel'Naga and Forerunners all start fighting, while the Ceph are like "LOLno, were just going back to our own galaxy." The three fighting races come to a stand still, then the ancients come in and are like "what is this!?" and attack all three races. Finally the Precursors show up and are like "LOLwut?" and destroy everyone.
The end

[Edited on 04.29.2011 3:04 PM PDT]

  • 04.29.2011 3:03 PM PDT
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: hotshot revan II



1)Citadel isn't an artifial planet,more like a station.An artifcial planet is a planet not created by nature .
Here is the construction of an artificial planet:

http://www.halopedian.com/images/9/9c/Artificial_Planets.jpg

A Halo ring is larger then a planet(with Cryptums new size).A ring has flora,atmosphere too.

The Forerunners were able to built an enite massive micro dyson sphere inside slipspace.It has it's own artifial sun and it has a diameter of 300 million km.

2)Your entire point about it aris made off assumptions.It's like saying that the UNSC navy weapons might rival the Forerunners because a splazer is stronger then Sparks weapon.

3)Well good luck with that.Cause it will take thousands of years to arrive in Forerunner space.Before it even happens the reapers will already be extint.Even if the Forerunner find it,then their own AI's will beat the Sovereigns AI.
How powerful are Reaper AI's anyway?

...
...

Well why doesn't b.net post the quote i try to post,it says something about extended characters are not allowed
*explosive sigh*


I thought we were talking about artificial worlds, not planets. I have explained why the Reapers have no use of creating their own planets.

It's supposed to be an assumption. It's just a suggestion to how the two factions' lesser units may be on around the same level. FYI, the Oculus I'm talking about can tear through a powerful vessel's reinforced hull and shield, in a short burst.

Lol, the Reapers are the last ones to be extinct just like that. Thousand years is not even a blimp of time in their scale. They've been around for atleast 37,000,000 years and won't just die of boredom in a 1000-year period.

How do you calculate "strength" in an AI, exactly? If you mean intelligence, reaction times then I can't really say. Play Mass Effect and see for yourself whenever Sovereign is on-screen, especially in the very last battle scene where the pinnacle of multitasking is at view, lol. In ME2, a Reaper can communicate with someone in the core of the galaxy directly from across two galaxy lengths.

I agree with Spurkis on this one, a Reaper is a hundred times more powerful than any AI fielded in Halo

  • 04.29.2011 3:05 PM PDT

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Precursor's?

What I don't understand is how the Forerunners defeated the Precursor's who were extremely advanced beings that were killed off by one of their own creations?

  • 04.29.2011 3:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: rAnDomOSSiTyy
Precursor's?

What I don't understand is how the Forerunners defeated the Precursor's who were extremely advanced beings that were killed off by one of their own creations?


Nueral physics, the precursers were beings of mainly nervous ststem levels, the forerunners tuned the halos just right so it would work specifically on them.

  • 04.29.2011 3:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: hotshot revan II



1)Citadel isn't an artifial planet,more like a station.An artifcial planet is a planet not created by nature .
Here is the construction of an artificial planet:

http://www.halopedian.com/images/9/9c/Artificial_Planets.jpg

A Halo ring is larger then a planet(with Cryptums new size).A ring has flora,atmosphere too.

The Forerunners were able to built an enite massive micro dyson sphere inside slipspace.It has it's own artifial sun and it has a diameter of 300 million km.

2)Your entire point about it aris made off assumptions.It's like saying that the UNSC navy weapons might rival the Forerunners because a splazer is stronger then Sparks weapon.

3)Well good luck with that.Cause it will take thousands of years to arrive in Forerunner space.Before it even happens the reapers will already be extint.Even if the Forerunner find it,then their own AI's will beat the Sovereigns AI.
How powerful are Reaper AI's anyway?

...
...

Well why doesn't b.net post the quote i try to post,it says something about extended characters are not allowed
*explosive sigh*


I thought we were talking about artificial worlds, not planets. I have explained why the Reapers have no use of creating their own planets.

It's supposed to be an assumption. It's just a suggestion to how the two factions' lesser units may be on around the same level. FYI, the Oculus I'm talking about can tear through a powerful vessel's reinforced hull and shield, in a short burst.

Lol, the Reapers are the last ones to be extinct just like that. Thousand years is not even a blimp of time in their scale. They've been around for atleast 37,000,000 years and won't just die of boredom in a 1000-year period.

How do you calculate "strength" in an AI, exactly? If you mean intelligence, reaction times then I can't really say. Play Mass Effect and see for yourself whenever Sovereign is on-screen, especially in the very last battle scene where the pinnacle of multitasking is at view, lol. In ME2, a Reaper can communicate with someone in the core of the galaxy directly from across two galaxy lengths.

I agree with Spurkis on this one, a Reaper is a hundred times more powerful than any AI fielded in Halo

I disagree. I'm sure Ancillias are better than reapers.

Also the details of the forerunner with the precursors are vague. We don't know what happened.

  • 04.29.2011 3:50 PM PDT

Okay so I do concede that you guys were right about Kinectic barriers, but I'm sure of the thousands of species they've obliterated they have some type of defense for non-mass objects. And I get that you poeople are so impressed by a Contender class AI, but each Reaper is equal to a Contender, and there could be 500,000 Reapers. Thats 500,000 massive, powerful, sentient ships, with mysterious weapons. You can base your conclusions on soley Sovereign, he was small and weak, because he wasn't supposed to encounter much interferiance. They have assimilated the technology from thousands of species and probably have weapons the Forerunners would gawk at.

But do i think they would slaughter the Forerunners, no. It would be an even battle. And to any idiots who say the UNSC or Covies are anywhere near the Reapers, thats ridiculous. The UNSC used all kinetic weapons, which we know could be stoped by Sovereign, and the Covies use plasma, which also has mass.

So here's what i get:
Precursers > Forerunners = Reapers > Covies > UNSC

As for the anceints, i think they might fit above the Forerunners, and below the Precursers, but their tech varies to much.

And a freind gave me a thought, some of you people think that Forerunner ships must be powerful cause they can take out a Halo. Well in Halo:CE the Pillar of Autumn took out a Halo too. That was just it's Reactors, no Shivas onboard I think.

[Edited on 04.29.2011 4:18 PM PDT]

  • 04.29.2011 4:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: Black Hole 000
Okay so I do concede that you guys were right about Kinectic barriers, but I'm sure of the thousands of species they've obliterated they have some type of defense for non-mass objects. And I get that you poeople are so impressed by a Contender class AI, but each Reaper is equal to a Contender, and there could be 500,000 Reapers. Thats 500,000 massive, powerful, sentient ships, with mysterious weapons. You can base your conclusions on soley Sovereign, he was small and weak, because he wasn't supposed to encounter much interferiance. They have assimilated the technology from thousands of species and probably have weapons the Forerunners would gawk at.

But do i think they would slaughter the Forerunners, no. It would be an even battle. And to any idiots who say the UNSC or Covies are anywhere near the Reapers, thats ridiculous. The UNSC used all kinetic weapons, which we know could be stoped by Sovereign, and the Covies use plasma, which also has mass.

So here's what i get:
Precursers > Forerunners = Reapers > Covies > UNSC

As for the anceints, i think they might fit above the Forerunners, and below the Precursers, but their tech varies to much.

And a freind gave me a thought, some of you people think that Forerunner ships must be powerful cause they can take out a Halo. Well in Halo:CE the Pillar of Autumn took out a Halo too. That was just it's Reactors, no Shivas onboard I think.
no they don't have the reapers built the Mass Relays and the Citadel to shape their evolution all ME species that the reapers destroyed were in the same level as the council

  • 04.29.2011 4:30 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: hotshot revan II



1)Citadel isn't an artifial planet,more like a station.An artifcial planet is a planet not created by nature .
Here is the construction of an artificial planet:

http://www.halopedian.com/images/9/9c/Artificial_Planets.jpg

A Halo ring is larger then a planet(with Cryptums new size).A ring has flora,atmosphere too.

The Forerunners were able to built an enite massive micro dyson sphere inside slipspace.It has it's own artifial sun and it has a diameter of 300 million km.

2)Your entire point about it aris made off assumptions.It's like saying that the UNSC navy weapons might rival the Forerunners because a splazer is stronger then Sparks weapon.

3)Well good luck with that.Cause it will take thousands of years to arrive in Forerunner space.Before it even happens the reapers will already be extint.Even if the Forerunner find it,then their own AI's will beat the Sovereigns AI.
How powerful are Reaper AI's anyway?

...
...

Well why doesn't b.net post the quote i try to post,it says something about extended characters are not allowed
*explosive sigh*


I thought we were talking about artificial worlds, not planets. I have explained why the Reapers have no use of creating their own planets.

It's supposed to be an assumption. It's just a suggestion to how the two factions' lesser units may be on around the same level. FYI, the Oculus I'm talking about can tear through a powerful vessel's reinforced hull and shield, in a short burst.

Lol, the Reapers are the last ones to be extinct just like that. Thousand years is not even a blimp of time in their scale. They've been around for atleast 37,000,000 years and won't just die of boredom in a 1000-year period.

How do you calculate "strength" in an AI, exactly? If you mean intelligence, reaction times then I can't really say. Play Mass Effect and see for yourself whenever Sovereign is on-screen, especially in the very last battle scene where the pinnacle of multitasking is at view, lol. In ME2, a Reaper can communicate with someone in the core of the galaxy directly from across two galaxy lengths.


-What i meant with artificial worlds are those planet.Spacestations aren't anything like that.

-Assumptions can't be used in debates

-No,they die if the Forerunner attack them in that period.

-Ok,how about this.How powerful are the security computers aboard a Reaper?

Mendicant Bias was able to control a fleet around 5 million ships.He was also able to hack into the Capital from a distance of millions of kilometers.

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Posted by: Black Hole 000
Okay so I do concede that you guys were right about Kinectic barriers, but I'm sure of the thousands of species they've obliterated they have some type of defense for non-mass objects. And I get that you poeople are so impressed by a Contender class AI, but each Reaper is equal to a Contender, and there could be 500,000 Reapers. Thats 500,000 massive, powerful, sentient ships, with mysterious weapons. You can base your conclusions on soley Sovereign, he was small and weak, because he wasn't supposed to encounter much interferiance. They have assimilated the technology from thousands of species and probably have weapons the Forerunners would gawk at.

But do i think they would slaughter the Forerunners, no. It would be an even battle. And to any idiots who say the UNSC or Covies are anywhere near the Reapers, thats ridiculous. The UNSC used all kinetic weapons, which we know could be stoped by Sovereign, and the Covies use plasma, which also has mass.

So here's what i get:
Precursers > Forerunners = Reapers > Covies > UNSC

As for the anceints, i think they might fit above the Forerunners, and below the Precursers, but their tech varies to much.

And a freind gave me a thought, some of you people think that Forerunner ships must be powerful cause they can take out a Halo. Well in Halo:CE the Pillar of Autumn took out a Halo too. That was just it's Reactors, no Shivas onboard I think.


-You will prove me that Reapers are as advanced as a contender.
Assumptions again.
*sigh*

-Problem 1:Covenant don't use plasma weapons.
Evidence:
http://forums.bungie.org/halo/archive25.pl?read=743326

Then they have pulse lasers and energy projectors.

Holy -blam!-,you really think they will slaughter the 4runners...

-Watch the CE cutscene,fireball is around 1000 km accross,it takes yield in teraton range to do that.

I have no time now,i'm going to sleep

  • 04.29.2011 4:36 PM PDT

Prove to me that a Contender Class AI is more powerful than my ipod touch. Assumptions are what make up science fiction. A Reaper is the pinnicle of AI. I never said i thought the Reapers would slaughter the Forerunners, I said they wouldn't. Read slower. The Covies primary weapon is plasma, there are laser, but it is mostly plasma. Also a halo is about 16000 km across, and that blast was not 1/16 its size.

  • 04.29.2011 5:01 PM PDT

Bring back Hayabusa!

I'd say the technology of the Protheans of Mass Effect is slightly less advanced than that of the Forerunners, but they also left less of a trace when they went extinct.

  • 04.29.2011 5:18 PM PDT


Posted by: Black Hole 000
Prove to me that a Contender Class AI is more powerful than my ipod touch. Assumptions are what make up science fiction. A Reaper is the pinnicle of AI. I never said i thought the Reapers would slaughter the Forerunners, I said they wouldn't. Read slower. The Covies primary weapon is plasma, there are laser, but it is mostly plasma. Also a halo is about 16000 km across, and that blast was not 1/16 its size.


We cannot gauge the strength of that blast accurately because the in game graphics of the time sucked so bad the Halo Ring's size was an illusion.

Anyway, I'm more concerned about This Ring

We see a pock-marked, crater blasted surface, with craters coming at to about kilotons, megatons, and in one case, maybe gigatons. According to the read out however, Halo Istallation 06 is perfectly intact and ready to fire, meaning out of ALL of these impacts, it did literally no structural damage to the Ring at all.

Yet in the same designed Ring (but bigger) Forerunner ships tore the Ring apart with a few shots.

Plus the always persistant fact a Halo Ring blast would destroy the organic components of a Reaper.

Oh yeah, almost forgot: when I say a Covenant Assault Carriers plasma torpedoes are likely in the petatons, I base this around a similar calculation regarding a Star Wars weapon, where an estimated 20 meter in diameter asteroid was vaporized. This act was calced at about a terraton of energy (which was later debunked by its own canon, which in turn was later debunked by the rest of the movie series). Either way, this calculation stands as mathematically correct.

Now, if vaporizing a 20 meter asteroid=a terraton, consider what doing the exact same thing to a 3 kilometer asteroid would equal. I'm not a math guy, so I wouldn't know exactley, but it seems quite obvious, really.

Edit: Can your Ipod touch control a a fleet of several million ships?

[Edited on 04.29.2011 5:29 PM PDT]

  • 04.29.2011 5:25 PM PDT