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Subject: Is the "Prisoner" Gravemind? *Spoilers!!!*

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Saw this thread a while back, but that is long gone, and it was before i read Cryptum.

So basically in Cryptum the Prisoner says that he is the last Precursor, but his description and how much fear he creates makes me think he is the Gravemind.

Now i dont know as much about Gravemind as i would like (hence me turning to the Universe), but could the Gravemind be an infected Precursor?

Thoughts? Opinions?

  • 04.26.2011 6:19 PM PDT

That's the theory I'm working on, although I believe that the prisoner co-opted the Flood, not the other way around.

  • 04.26.2011 6:22 PM PDT

"You were weak... and gods must be strong."

Eh, I thought he was a/the original Gravemind all throughout reading the book, but when I saw he was the last Precursor I scrapped the idea.

Graveminds are formed by lumping together random bodies and biomass that have flood infection/biomass on them. Eventually the bodies start to merge together and all the memories/knowledge of the infected tributes collect into a central intelligence, thus making the Gravemind.

While it would certainly be an interesting twist, I believe the Precursors really were something completely separate.

  • 04.26.2011 7:19 PM PDT

Yes, I believe the two are one and the same...somehow. I think there is no denying that the two are linked somehow. And when accounts of the Flood are given from when they were first encountered, it sounds like they lacked coordination and were more like zombies than they are already in the present story. So it's obvious that something happens to give the Flood more intelligence.

This is probably due to the Gravemind, and the last Precursor was infected by the Flood, and he then takes control of them, over time becoming more like the Gravemind we all know and hate.

  • 04.26.2011 7:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gamma 46
Eh, I thought he was a/the original Gravemind all throughout reading the book, but when I saw he was the last Precursor I scrapped the idea.

Graveminds are formed by lumping together random bodies and biomass that have flood infection/biomass on them. Eventually the bodies start to merge together and all the memories/knowledge of the infected tributes collect into a central intelligence, thus making the Gravemind.

While it would certainly be an interesting twist, I believe the Precursors really were something completely separate.

A photo-gravemind is formed from an original host (Keyes) and then added to with additional biomass to make a greater gravemind (The larger, better established one in Halo Wars).

Who's to say that if the original host was a more intelligent being (all evidence from Cryptum suggests that the prisoner is much more intelligent than a human). If the prisoner was infected and turned into a photo-gravemind and was added to over a hundred millennia it could turn into the massive creature seen in "Human Weakness".

  • 04.26.2011 7:55 PM PDT