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Subject: Precursors created the Flood as revenge

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

Ok this is just a theory of mine. I thought of this after reading Cryptum.

Here is my theory on the three.The Precursor's creatd the Flood as a "revenge" against the Forerunners. This is supported as when humans would as the "Timeless One" about the Flood, the answer drove some of them insane and even suicide. The Timeless One says "our answer is at hand." Most likely the Flood.

The Precursor's sent out ships with flood biomass (the white powder) to other Precursors. Possibly to work on the stuff or to soon release it to the Forerunners. The ships got lost and millions of years later crashed and then were found by the humans. This though could be slightly unlikely as the crashed ships were not recognized as Precursor in origin.

Notice that when Mendicant Bias tested a Halo ring at Charum Hakkor, the ring disappeared along with Mendicant and The Timeless One. Next thing you know, Mendicant is working for the Flood. Bias also speaks of having a new master. If you read Halo Evolutions, you'd know that Gravemind told Cortana how he is the one who persuaded Bias to the Flood's side.
Could Gravemind and the Timeless One have some sort of connection?

My guess is that The Timeless One is "immune" to the Flood. Basically the Flood are genetically made to follow Precursor orders. The Timeless One somehow had hijacked the Halo and had it taken to the Gravemind. Then the Gravemind persuaded Mendicant to join him.I feel like The Timeless One will play a significantly larger role in Cryptum 2 and 3. Anybody agree or disagree with any of these theories of mine?

Also I noticed that in Halo 3, Gravemind says to Chief "Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness, for a father's sins pass to his son."
Father must be ancient humanity and son is obviously current humanity. Humans are responsible for the Flood's uprising and were the first to fight it.

  • 04.26.2011 6:30 PM PDT

My theory is that the Timeless One basically co-opted the Flood spores originally found by the humans to become the first Gravemind. Didn't originally create the Flood, but it did take them and make them more efficent and deadly.

  • 04.26.2011 6:33 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

that could be possible, but obviously the Timeless One knew of the Flood.

  • 04.26.2011 6:34 PM PDT

Could have learned of them from the humans who interrogated it, or from Mendicant Bias.

  • 04.26.2011 6:39 PM PDT

For the fun of it!

Another theory was that the "Mantle" was to protect against the Flood, whom the Precursor's fought millions of years ago, and so knew about them. Then the ignorant Forerunners rose up against the Precursors, without realising the full extentof the "Mantle", and was why ancient Humanity believed they were the true inheritors of the "Mantle", as they fought against the flood...

Either way, we will find out in the second and third books once the memories of the Didact's discussion with the "Timeless One" are shown...

  • 04.26.2011 6:43 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

I really would like to know the true origin of the Flood. I still am going with the Precursor origin on them.
I found it interesting that the Halo fired Charum Hakkor didn't kill the Timeless One. But I guess his "cage" acted as a bulletproof vest and the vest was destroyed but saved the wearer.
Or maybe Precursor's are immune to the Array? I highly doubt it though.

  • 04.26.2011 6:51 PM PDT

'There are many aspects of the universe that still cannot be explained satisfactorily by science; but ignorance only implies ignorance that may someday be conquered. To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today.'
-Isaac Asimov

Posted by: Dustin 6047
Okay guy you've been making threads all day.
I have to agree with dustin.... but when the Didact talked with the Timeless One it did say "I am the last Precursor. And our answer is at hand." Which I believe points to the Flood either being created by the Precursors to extract revenge on the Forerunners or the Precursors just letting the Flood go (nearing the end of their eradication).

  • 04.26.2011 8:06 PM PDT

"The Warthog is as much a part of the UNSC as boots, guns, and tasteless coffee."

According to the Halo Wikia main flood article, some Humans and San'Shyuum (prophets) were kept in one system (besides their home planets) for observation by Forerunners (to choose successors) . They had a certain animal that was popular as a pet. The Forerunners discovered a certain powder left over from the war with the Precursors (left as a trap) and discovered that it caused behavior improvements in their pets. Eventually, however, the improvements became mutations and started causing violent and unusual behavior.

By the time the Forerunners realized the threat, the mutations turned to the beginnings of the flood and began consuming planets and systems.

  • 04.26.2011 8:14 PM PDT

"We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds...'
I suppose we all thought that one way or another."
- J. Robert Oppenheimer

Good theories.

  • 04.26.2011 8:16 PM PDT

"The Warthog is as much a part of the UNSC as boots, guns, and tasteless coffee."

When the Gravemind says "Child of my enemy", he refers to the fact that humans were chosen to succeed the Forerunners, who fought a war with the Flood.

  • 04.26.2011 8:17 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg


Posted by: CPO Dinner
When the Gravemind says "Child of my enemy", he refers to the fact that humans were chosen to succeed the Forerunners, who fought a war with the Flood.

Yes but it was humans who fought the Flood first, and they were far more effective in the fight. Humans found a cure.

  • 04.26.2011 8:56 PM PDT


Posted by: CPO Dinner
According to the Halo Wikia main flood article, some Humans and San'Shyuum (prophets) were kept in one system (besides their home planets) for observation by Forerunners (to choose successors) . They had a certain animal that was popular as a pet. The Forerunners discovered a certain powder left over from the war with the Precursors (left as a trap) and discovered that it caused behavior improvements in their pets. Eventually, however, the improvements became mutations and started causing violent and unusual behavior.

By the time the Forerunners realized the threat, the mutations turned to the beginnings of the flood and began consuming planets and systems.


Unless you're talking about information from Soma the Painter (which I haven't read), then I think you should actually go read Cryptum itself and not Halopedia. It was Humans who found the powder and experimented with it, not the Forerunners. And then Humanity entered a war with what eventually became the Flood. Some of Humanity fled into Forerunner space and were settling there and claiming it as their own. So then the Forerunners started fighting the Human-Prophet alliance. So Humanity was locked in a two front war, one against the Flood, and one against the Forerunners.

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And I suppose this theory has nothing to do with the fact that I just made a post a half hour ago about the subject of "the flood being a Precursor creation as a punishment for galactic races including the forerunners."

Although I didn't elaborate as much as you did about the issue its obvious where you got the general idea from.

Way to rip other peoples theories f4gg0t.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=59653587




[Edited on 04.27.2011 9:30 AM PDT]

  • 04.27.2011 9:26 AM PDT


Posted by: BungieChief_gov
And I suppose this theory has nothing to do with the fact that I just made a post a half hour ago about the subject of "the flood being a Precursor creation as a punishment for galactic races including the forerunners."

Although I didn't elaborate as much as you did about the issue its obvious where you got the general idea from.

Way to rip other peoples theories f4gg0t.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=59653587



Chill, man (or woman), it's a common theory on here, I'm serious, go into almost any thread about Cryptum or the Flood, and you'll find one or more people theorizing that the Flood are a Precursor created vengeance.

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Posted by: BungieChief_gov
And I suppose this theory has nothing to do with the fact that I just made a post a half hour ago about the subject of "the flood being a Precursor creation as a punishment for galactic races including the forerunners."

Although I didn't elaborate as much as you did about the issue its obvious where you got the general idea from.

Way to rip other peoples theories f4gg0t.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=59653587



Chill, man (or woman), it's a common theory on here, I'm serious, go into almost any thread about Cryptum or the Flood, and you'll find one or more people theorizing that the Flood are a Precursor created vengeance.





Aight. Your right.

Its just kinda of annoying when somebody posts a topic Right after your posted yours ands is basically the same thing.

It just seemed fishhy. I'll calm down and take my meds now ;)

  • 04.27.2011 9:33 AM PDT


Posted by: BungieChief_gov

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: BungieChief_gov
And I suppose this theory has nothing to do with the fact that I just made a post a half hour ago about the subject of "the flood being a Precursor creation as a punishment for galactic races including the forerunners."

Although I didn't elaborate as much as you did about the issue its obvious where you got the general idea from.

Way to rip other peoples theories f4gg0t.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=59653587



Chill, man (or woman), it's a common theory on here, I'm serious, go into almost any thread about Cryptum or the Flood, and you'll find one or more people theorizing that the Flood are a Precursor created vengeance.





Aight. Your right.

Its just kinda of annoying when somebody posts a topic Right after your posted yours ands is basically the same thing.

It just seemed fishhy. I'll calm down and take my meds now ;)


I know how that feels :P It is a tad annoying.
Ok, you go do that, and I don't think the OP will mind if you post your own ideas here, after all, the more theories the merrier XD

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Ok this is just a theory of mine. I thought of this after reading Cryptum.

Here is my theory on the three.The Precursor's creatd the Flood as a "revenge" against the Forerunners. This is supported as when humans would as the "Timeless One" about the Flood, the answer drove some of them insane and even suicide. The Timeless One says "our answer is at hand." Most likely the Flood.

The Precursor's sent out ships with flood biomass (the white powder) to other Precursors. Possibly to work on the stuff or to soon release it to the Forerunners. The ships got lost and millions of years later crashed and then were found by the humans. This though could be slightly unlikely as the crashed ships were not recognized as Precursor in origin.

Notice that when Mendicant Bias tested a Halo ring at Charum Hakkor, the ring disappeared along with Mendicant and The Timeless One. Next thing you know, Mendicant is working for the Flood. Bias also speaks of having a new master. If you read Halo Evolutions, you'd know that Gravemind told Cortana how he is the one who persuaded Bias to the Flood's side.
Could Gravemind and the Timeless One have some sort of connection?

My guess is that The Timeless One is "immune" to the Flood. Basically the Flood are genetically made to follow Precursor orders. The Timeless One somehow had hijacked the Halo and had it taken to the Gravemind. Then the Gravemind persuaded Mendicant to join him.I feel like The Timeless One will play a significantly larger role in Cryptum 2 and 3. Anybody agree or disagree with any of these theories of mine?

Also I noticed that in Halo 3, Gravemind says to Chief "Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness, for a father's sins pass to his son."
Father must be ancient humanity and son is obviously current humanity. Humans are responsible for the Flood's uprising and were the first to fight it.


for the record you weren't the first one to think about this and are many months late coming to this conclusion.

1. Whatever they precursor told the humans has to be different than what it told the didact. To me i am going against the grain in thinking that ancient forerunners might have created that type of humanity. Which i believe would drive anybody crazy being told that the person you hate the most and the person that has tried to kill you is your father/mother.

The only reason i think this is because cryptum twists everything we know around so i am thinking with that in mind.

2.The ship part wouldn't make sense at all seeing how the precursors utterly lost. If they did make the flood it was a ditch attempt aimed at causing damage at a later time. hence the flood being currently found.

Unless the The forerunners in the milky way are refugees from their original galaxy that they in the precursors inhabited. which there could be an extremely slim chance of that being partly right.

3. Again you are far too late. we have long known that the 43 years mendicant bias spent talking to the precursor is the same 43 years it spent talking to what we know as the gravemind. which we got from the terminals.

So we have come to the consensus that mendicant bias takes this prisoner to the flood so it can get infected thus becoming the gravemind that we know.

Which is why we don't think the "Gravemind" stage isn't natural seeing how there wasn't a report of there being one when humanity fought the flood. not to mention the gravemind in halowars and mona lisa were far different than this one. even if it was a "proto" stage.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Ok this is just a theory of mine. I thought of this after reading Cryptum.

Here is my theory on the three.The Precursor's creatd the Flood as a "revenge" against the Forerunners. This is supported as when humans would as the "Timeless One" about the Flood, the answer drove some of them insane and even suicide. The Timeless One says "our answer is at hand." Most likely the Flood.

The Precursor's sent out ships with flood biomass (the white powder) to other Precursors. Possibly to work on the stuff or to soon release it to the Forerunners. The ships got lost and millions of years later crashed and then were found by the humans. This though could be slightly unlikely as the crashed ships were not recognized as Precursor in origin.

Notice that when Mendicant Bias tested a Halo ring at Charum Hakkor, the ring disappeared along with Mendicant and The Timeless One. Next thing you know, Mendicant is working for the Flood. Bias also speaks of having a new master. If you read Halo Evolutions, you'd know that Gravemind told Cortana how he is the one who persuaded Bias to the Flood's side.
Could Gravemind and the Timeless One have some sort of connection?

My guess is that The Timeless One is "immune" to the Flood. Basically the Flood are genetically made to follow Precursor orders. The Timeless One somehow had hijacked the Halo and had it taken to the Gravemind. Then the Gravemind persuaded Mendicant to join him.I feel like The Timeless One will play a significantly larger role in Cryptum 2 and 3. Anybody agree or disagree with any of these theories of mine?

Also I noticed that in Halo 3, Gravemind says to Chief "Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness, for a father's sins pass to his son."
Father must be ancient humanity and son is obviously current humanity. Humans are responsible for the Flood's uprising and were the first to fight it.


for the record you weren't the first one to think about this and are many months late coming to this conclusion.

1. Whatever they precursor told the humans has to be different than what it told the didact. To me i am going against the grain in thinking that ancient forerunners might have created that type of humanity. Which i believe would drive anybody crazy being told that the person you hate the most and the person that has tried to kill you is your father/mother.

The only reason i think this is because cryptum twists everything we know around so i am thinking with that in mind.

2.The ship part wouldn't make sense at all seeing how the precursors utterly lost. If they did make the flood it was a ditch attempt aimed at causing damage at a later time. hence the flood being currently found.

Unless the The forerunners in the milky way are refugees from their original galaxy that they in the precursors inhabited. which there could be an extremely slim chance of that being partly right.

3. Again you are far too late. we have long known that the 43 years mendicant bias spent talking to the precursor is the same 43 years it spent talking to what we know as the gravemind. which we got from the terminals.

So we have come to the consensus that mendicant bias takes this prisoner to the flood so it can get infected thus becoming the gravemind that we know.

Which is why we don't think the "Gravemind" stage isn't natural seeing how there wasn't a report of there being one when humanity fought the flood. not to mention the gravemind in halowars and mona lisa were far different than this one. even if it was a "proto" stage.



I tend to think that the Flood is a creation of the Precursors
before they were completely destroyed only because of the words of the Timeless one.

Now thinking about this theory ( which I once supported ) and after reading your ideas "Grey" it does seem unlikely that the precursors created the flood for several reasons.

1. Knowing the power of the flood were they so blinded by fury at of their war that the forerunenrs that they intended on destroying all life ? Unlikely.

2. If the Precursors created the flood ( powder, etc... ) why is of extra-galactic origin ( I think you mentioned something about this ). It would be strange for the precursors to create the flood, then send them to the Cloud from where the came and then back to the Milky way. It would be like taking a Parabola to a location instead of a straight line. I am assuming the Precursors location Origin is the Milky way for this reason; IF they were not of the Milky Way Galazy then the Forerunners must have had the ability to Travel to different Galaxies since they were at war with and destroyed them ( the Precursors ).

Therefore either

A. the Flood are of intergalactic Origin
B. the flood were created by the Precursors in a location outside our galaxy and then brought in to exterminate all life as part of a Galactic Genocide.
C. The flood was designed with the same purpose as the Rings, with the Precursors viewing the forerunners in the same way we view the flood.
D. The flood were Genetic experiments ( which still doesn't explain the intergalactic origin unless the Precursors conducted decided to conduct those experiments outside the galaxy for safety reasons. )
E. The flood are of a terrifying intergalactic origin to great to explain.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Ok this is just a theory of mine. I thought of this after reading Cryptum.

Here is my theory on the three.The Precursor's creatd the Flood as a "revenge" against the Forerunners. This is supported as when humans would as the "Timeless One" about the Flood, the answer drove some of them insane and even suicide. The Timeless One says "our answer is at hand." Most likely the Flood.

The Precursor's sent out ships with flood biomass (the white powder) to other Precursors. Possibly to work on the stuff or to soon release it to the Forerunners. The ships got lost and millions of years later crashed and then were found by the humans. This though could be slightly unlikely as the crashed ships were not recognized as Precursor in origin.

Notice that when Mendicant Bias tested a Halo ring at Charum Hakkor, the ring disappeared along with Mendicant and The Timeless One. Next thing you know, Mendicant is working for the Flood. Bias also speaks of having a new master. If you read Halo Evolutions, you'd know that Gravemind told Cortana how he is the one who persuaded Bias to the Flood's side.
Could Gravemind and the Timeless One have some sort of connection?

My guess is that The Timeless One is "immune" to the Flood. Basically the Flood are genetically made to follow Precursor orders. The Timeless One somehow had hijacked the Halo and had it taken to the Gravemind. Then the Gravemind persuaded Mendicant to join him.I feel like The Timeless One will play a significantly larger role in Cryptum 2 and 3. Anybody agree or disagree with any of these theories of mine?

Also I noticed that in Halo 3, Gravemind says to Chief "Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness, for a father's sins pass to his son."
Father must be ancient humanity and son is obviously current humanity. Humans are responsible for the Flood's uprising and were the first to fight it.


for the record you weren't the first one to think about this and are many months late coming to this conclusion.

1. Whatever they precursor told the humans has to be different than what it told the didact. To me i am going against the grain in thinking that ancient forerunners might have created that type of humanity. Which i believe would drive anybody crazy being told that the person you hate the most and the person that has tried to kill you is your father/mother.

The only reason i think this is because cryptum twists everything we know around so i am thinking with that in mind.

2.The ship part wouldn't make sense at all seeing how the precursors utterly lost. If they did make the flood it was a ditch attempt aimed at causing damage at a later time. hence the flood being currently found.

Unless the The forerunners in the milky way are refugees from their original galaxy that they in the precursors inhabited. which there could be an extremely slim chance of that being partly right.

3. Again you are far too late. we have long known that the 43 years mendicant bias spent talking to the precursor is the same 43 years it spent talking to what we know as the gravemind. which we got from the terminals.

So we have come to the consensus that mendicant bias takes this prisoner to the flood so it can get infected thus becoming the gravemind that we know.

Which is why we don't think the "Gravemind" stage isn't natural seeing how there wasn't a report of there being one when humanity fought the flood. not to mention the gravemind in halowars and mona lisa were far different than this one. even if it was a "proto" stage.



I tend to think that the Flood is a creation of the Precursors
before they were completely destroyed only because of the words of the Timeless one.

Now thinking about this theory ( which I once supported ) and after reading your ideas "Grey" it does seem unlikely that the precursors created the flood for several reasons.

1. Knowing the power of the flood were they so blinded by fury at of their war that the forerunenrs that they intended on destroying all life ? Unlikely.

2. If the Precursors created the flood ( powder, etc... ) why is of extra-galactic origin ( I think you mentioned something about this ). It would be strange for the precursors to create the flood, then send them to the Cloud from where the came and then back to the Milky way. It would be like taking a Parabola to a location instead of a straight line. I am assuming the Precursors location Origin is the Milky way for this reason; IF they were not of the Milky Way Galazy then the Forerunners must have had the ability to Travel to different Galaxies since they were at war with and destroyed them ( the Precursors ).

Therefore either

A. the Flood are of intergalactic Origin
B. the flood were created by the Precursors in a location outside our galaxy and then brought in to exterminate all life as part of a Galactic Genocide.
C. The flood was designed with the same purpose as the Rings, with the Precursors viewing the forerunners in the same way we view the flood.
D. The flood were Genetic experiments ( which still doesn't explain the intergalactic origin unless the Precursors conducted decided to conduct those experiments outside the galaxy for safety reasons. )
E. The flood are of a terrifying intergalactic origin to great to explain.


Exactly.


I am betting that the Precursors started in another galaxy which they created the forerunners ( i assume for building) and then they go to war. I would like to say that maybe some forerunners branched off and left this galaxy coming to the milky way while the flood destroyed the forerunners in the native galaxy.

Or maybe the forerunners ran to escape the flood and their number is finally up.

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Interesting Theory. That does make sense.

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It seems strange that the forerunners would just destroy the precursors, since their overriding directives involve the Mantle of preserving life.

This is not to say that all of the forerunners shared this view and maybe there were warmongering corrupt forerunners.

One thing I thought of is that maybe the Flood were the precursors. I know this seems impossible since the current flood rely upon a host. But maybe there was an original type of flood like the pure flood form that was super intelligent( psychic ) and they created other creatures including the forerunners as sort of slaves to build for them. The forerunners maybe didn't like it that same parasitic bug race was their master and they rebelled and followed around the galaxy by the ships with a type of flood they couldn't defeat despite being able to defeat the original "Flood/precursor race" Perhaps this may explain the connection between the Gravemind and the last living precursor.

I know this is a long shot but just wanted to throw it out there maybe more so that it can be dis proven early and we can move on to more viable theories.

  • 04.27.2011 11:14 AM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
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Guess what I created this exact dame thread on waypoints forums weeks ago. I think u owe me an apology

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Guess what I created this exact dame thread on waypoints forums weeks ago. I think u owe me an apology


No he doesn't seeing how he had more to contribute in his thread than yours, along with the fact you weren't even the first to post something like this.


and what you post on another forum has no relevancy on another, if you didn't post it here it pretty much wasn't posted.

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