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Subject: Speculation of humanity after human/covenant war.

I doubt Humanity would be so terse,

They would focus on rebuilding, and with all of the technology gained for the covenant and forerunners alike they would unarguably be the most dominant known force in the galaxy after 100 years or so. During this time Humanity would most likely separate ourselves for any other alien species, due to xenophobia caused by the war

After the reconstruction of their empire I would theorise that Humanity would be confident enough to try and reestablish a bond with their uneasy Sanghelli allies, and possibly assist them, knowing that they are too powerful for the sanghelli to fight against.

  • 04.27.2011 1:33 PM PDT

Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC

Posted by: Irish spartan
I don't think the UNSC would kill the grunts,hunters or engineers because they were forced to fight the war because the prophets and elites threatened to glass their home worlds

Humanity wouldnt take that into account they are a ruthless species after all.


Even if they wanted to commit genocides, do they know the coordinates of their homeworlds? Committing tons of resources and ships to fight another series of wars while they are still rebuilding (under 1 billion humans spread over a few colonies aren't gonna become the new Forerunners in like 300 years. Add another zero and you're closer), especially since most of the Covenant races were forced to fight? They're not even space-faring. With the exception of the Jackals, of course. But were really just mercenaries all the time.

  • 04.27.2011 1:41 PM PDT


Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC

Posted by: Irish spartan
I don't think the UNSC would kill the grunts,hunters or engineers because they were forced to fight the war because the prophets and elites threatened to glass their home worlds

Humanity wouldnt take that into account they are a ruthless species after all.


Even if they wanted to commit genocides, do they know the coordinates of their homeworlds? Committing tons of resources and ships to fight another series of wars while they are still rebuilding (under 1 billion humans spread over a few colonies aren't gonna become the new Forerunners in like 300 years. Add another zero and you're closer), especially since most of the Covenant races were forced to fight? They're not even space-faring. With the exception of the Jackals, of course. But were really just mercenaries all the time.



Eh, I'm not so sure that it would take that long to get back on their feet. I mean look at the epilogue in Reach after you "complete" Lone Wolf, that Human ship in the background looks pretty advanced, and it doesn't take place too long after Halo 3, only several decades in between IIRC. But yeah, I don't see Humanity or the UNSC committing resources to launch a campaign of genocide against whatever Covenant species there are left.

  • 04.27.2011 1:56 PM PDT

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  • 04.27.2011 2:46 PM PDT

I meant 3000 years for becoming the new tsars of the Milky Way. It'll still take considerably more time than 300 years for humanity to get back to its state pre-Covenant. The population is one thing, but so many schools, factories, culture, knowledge was destroyed. The infra-structure is disrupted and almost FUBAR.

That epilogue is a little flawed. I thought major glassing utterly ruined the habitility of planets for several centuries. The colony ship also looks like its there 50 years too soon, but maybe they just wanted to rise Reach again as soon as possible, considering its strategic role.

  • 04.27.2011 3:29 PM PDT

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The Brutes would run out of ships WAY before the Elites would.

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Posted by: spurkis
I meant 3000 years for becoming the new tsars of the Milky Way. It'll still take considerably more time than 300 years for humanity to get back to its state pre-Covenant. The population is one thing, but so many schools, factories, culture, knowledge was destroyed. The infra-structure is disrupted and almost FUBAR.

That epilogue is a little flawed. I thought major glassing utterly ruined the habitility of planets for several centuries. The colony ship also looks like its there 50 years too soon, but maybe they just wanted to rise Reach again as soon as possible, considering its strategic role.


Glassing was depicted a little to heavily by imagination than what it actually does.

In reach the novel there are references to covenant bombardments (think LNoS explosions) and actual glassing. people often get confused by the two; hell Fred even described how only the poles of reach were glassed but the rest of the planet was a single wildfire.

  • 04.27.2011 3:51 PM PDT

It takes a real man to back down from a fight, but it takes a spartan to finish it!

Yeah Reach didn't get glassed that much. But it did get -blam!- up pretty back. But who knows maybe the humans found some kind of new way to colonize. You never know guys. Halo has a lot of questions and little answers.

  • 04.27.2011 7:07 PM PDT


Posted by: spurkis
I meant 3000 years for becoming the new tsars of the Milky Way. It'll still take considerably more time than 300 years for humanity to get back to its state pre-Covenant. The population is one thing, but so many schools, factories, culture, knowledge was destroyed. The infra-structure is disrupted and almost FUBAR.

That epilogue is a little flawed. I thought major glassing utterly ruined the habitility of planets for several centuries. The colony ship also looks like its there 50 years too soon, but maybe they just wanted to rise Reach again as soon as possible, considering its strategic role.


It probably would take them a while to become anything like the Forerunners in regards to settling the galaxy and truly taking on their role as the Holders of the Mantle, but I think you're overestimating the amount of time it would take them to really get back on their feet.

The Data Pads talk a bit about glassing, and I think Halsey's Journal does too, the information they talk about says that the Covenant only really heavily glass population centers and really nothing else. It's also possible that from studying Forerunner tech that Humanity has found ways to accelerate a planet's recovery from glassing or how to terraform it into something more hospitable. In any case, the area where Six made her final stand didn't really ever get glassed.

  • 04.27.2011 7:16 PM PDT

The prophes are dead tho so the brutes would have to com up with their own supplies too and who knows the Elites could have their own planet within a 100 year time peiod as well as the brutes too, in which they could supply themselvs. Thus the Eltes would probbly most likely not to lose the war to the brutes, and humans are most likely not to betray the elites, but ally them when in dire need.

[Edited on 04.27.2011 7:49 PM PDT]

  • 04.27.2011 7:43 PM PDT

The iconic Reach mountain was either glassed or was just a desert-like mountain in the first place. Either way, those few years between the end of Noble Six and when we revisit the site are kinda too little time for the mountain to become fresh and full of grass, trees and such.

  • 04.28.2011 3:56 AM PDT

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Yep.

Humanity in the Halo universe aren't barbaric and blood thirsty.
This is an extremely unlikely scenario.

Fair enough. Please explain what you would expect to happen then.

  • 04.28.2011 9:03 AM PDT

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Posted by: Irish spartan
I don't think the UNSC would kill the grunts,hunters or engineers because they were forced to fight the war because the prophets and elites threatened to glass their home worlds

Humanity wouldnt take that into account they are a ruthless species after all.


Even if they wanted to commit genocides, do they know the coordinates of their homeworlds? Committing tons of resources and ships to fight another series of wars while they are still rebuilding (under 1 billion humans spread over a few colonies aren't gonna become the new Forerunners in like 300 years. Add another zero and you're closer), especially since most of the Covenant races were forced to fight? They're not even space-faring. With the exception of the Jackals, of course. But were really just mercenaries all the time.


Actually it only took like what? 500 years for humanity to get from Tier 5 to Tier 3. They are a very apadptable and resistant race. 300 years is plenty of time for them to advance to the next tier.

  • 04.28.2011 9:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC
Posted by: Sigma617
Posted by: anton1792
Go back to Warhammer.


Yep.

Humanity in the Halo universe aren't barbaric and blood thirsty.
This is an extremely unlikely scenario.

Fair enough. Please explain what you would expect to happen then.

You seem to think that Humanity would unanimously agree to the completely irrational act of genocide on a people due to a minority in that people or an apparent ideology of that people, despite knowing that they were forced into it. Even assuming that you manage to get enough people to think like that, there will be plenty of people to speak against it. All it would probably achieve would be a civil war.

This sort of stuff was common in medieval times and before but not today, the world has moved on. People are enlightened enough to realise that not everybody in a group thinks the same way. We do not kill every Muslim we see because of the acts of Al-Qaeda and we did not bomb Germany and Japan into utter oblivion and slaughter their citizens for the acts of the Na­zi's. Even the use of the Nuclear Bomb (Which was no where near an act of total genocide) was considered abhorrent later by those who commissioned its use, even in the desperation of those times.

Vengeance is useless. It does not bring back the dead, it only creates more. It prevents proper mourning and atonement. It fills you with a false sense of satisfaction that can never truly suffice.

Why, after 500 years of further development, do you think that Humanity would circumvent all of its moral principles? Everyone who has posted in this thread has been against your interpretation. Does that not demonstrate what I am saying a little?

  • 04.28.2011 9:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC
Posted by: Sigma617
Posted by: anton1792
Go back to Warhammer.


Yep.

Humanity in the Halo universe aren't barbaric and blood thirsty.
This is an extremely unlikely scenario.

Fair enough. Please explain what you would expect to happen then.

You seem to think that Humanity would unanimously agree to the completely irrational act of genocide on a people due to a minority in that people or an apparent ideology of that people, despite knowing that they were forced into it. Even assuming that you manage to get enough people to think like that, there will be plenty of people to speak against it. All it would probably achieve would be a civil war.

This sort of stuff was common in medieval times and before but not today, the world has moved on. People are enlightened enough to realise that not everybody in a group thinks the same way. We do not kill every Muslim we see because of the acts of Al-Qaeda and we did not bomb Germany and Japan into utter oblivion and slaughter their citizens for the acts of the Na­zi's. Even the use of the Nuclear Bomb (Which was no where near an act of total genocide) was considered abhorrent later by those who commissioned its use, even in the desperation of those times.

Vengeance is useless. It does not bring back the dead, it only creates more. It prevents proper mourning and atonement. It fills you with a false sense of satisfaction that can never truly suffice.

Why, after 500 years of further development, do you think that Humanity would circumvent all of its moral principles? Everyone who has posted in this thread has been against your interpretation. Does that not demonstrate what I am saying a little?

Yes it does sound a little barbaric and primitive but that is how I view humanity. It seems to me that we do not have the capability to be war free for more than 30 years or so. That is just my opinion however. You may disagree on the other hand which is fine and I respect that, but do not expect me to change my views if that is what you're trying to do.

[Edited on 04.28.2011 10:07 AM PDT]

  • 04.28.2011 10:05 AM PDT


Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC
It seems to me that we do not have the capability to be war free for more than 30 years or so.


Actually we arguably have only had a single "Global war" in our entire history. That is, WWI and WWII being so close together can be regarded as a single extended campaign.

Our 'wars' are generally localised and rarely involved more than a handful of nations.
After a 20+ year campaign against an alien covenant it is likely that it will be another 500-1000 years at least until anything of that nature happens again, and even then it will likely be a civil war rather than an inter-species war.

I vote inner vs outer colonies.

  • 04.28.2011 11:23 AM PDT

Don't be silly. You're not wrong because nobody is agreeing with you, you're wrong because your points are weak and poorly supported. The fact that people disagree with you is a symptom of being wrong, not the cause or the proof of it. Canary in the coal mine, so to speak.


Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC

Posted by: BadMaximum 7
The Elites could in no way loose against Brutes.
Just sayin'.

Actually i got that from the return. The elites are no longer getting supplied ships from the prophets and are running out of resources, Instead the prophets are supplying the brutes with ships to protect them. Check it out if you like.

This isn't really entirely correct because the remaining San'Shyuun (prophet species) after the end of Halo 3 are said to have retreated and gone off to do their own thing (hiding like the cowardly bastards they are LOL). So the Elites would not be getting supplied with ships and whatnot, true, but neither then would the Brutes, putting the smarter Elites at more of an advantage since NO one's getting supplied by the prophets now.... and you have to keep in mind, the Sangheili (Elites) aren't total technological slouches themselves, we know that they engineered their own technology for a while (they came up with the Energy Sword prior to the Sangheili alliance with the Covenant, as I recall, and may have engineered technologies like the Concussion Rifle, blamite weaponry, etc). They can make do.

No, I would hypothesize that the Sangheili maintain diplomatic relations with Earth, but have little to do with them (or the Brutes, for that matter) after dispatching what's left of the Covenant military. So many strong male sangheili were killed during the war that I'm betting the few warriors that are left are gonna be going back home to propagate the next generation of warriors, LOL.

[Edited on 04.28.2011 12:22 PM PDT]

  • 04.28.2011 12:22 PM PDT

Don't be silly. You're not wrong because nobody is agreeing with you, you're wrong because your points are weak and poorly supported. The fact that people disagree with you is a symptom of being wrong, not the cause or the proof of it. Canary in the coal mine, so to speak.


Posted by: Sigma617
You know, a common misconception that annoys me is the state of post war Prophets. The main seat of population for the prophets was High Charity. There were a few million there when the parasite attacked. The Prophets are gone. consumed. Nearly all of them.

The only ones left are ones that were posted outside of High Charity. The Bestarium says there is less than 800 of them left galaxy wide.

Oh well there you go, yeah. I was a little unsure on the details myself, but I knew that there weren't that many left. :0 They probably go hide and breed and stuff to repopulate themselves.

  • 04.28.2011 12:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC
Yes it does sound a little barbaric and primitive but that is how I view humanity. It seems to me that we do not have the capability to be war free for more than 30 years or so.

We?

You need to stop looking at minority groups (being motivated by religion, patriotism or greed, not just fighting for the hell of it) and stop assuming these minority groups represent all of Humanity.

Also, it is an incredible piece of illogic to assume that just because wars are fought means that Humanity is an aggressive, barbaric species. Wars fought for freedom from oppression, for freedom of speech etc are by no means sufficient evidence to suddenly say that we would readily participate in senseless slaughter.

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(they came up with the Energy Sword prior to the Sangheili alliance with the Covenant, as I recall, and may have engineered technologies like the Concussion Rifle, blamite weaponry, etc). They can make do.

No they did not, and they were tier 3 before Covenant contact. Covenant technology is probably well above their native understanding.

The problem is also the fact that they have not had any serious scientific establishment for 3000 years, and appears to have somewhat decayed over time.

  • 04.28.2011 1:08 PM PDT

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