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Subject: Halo 2 is overrated.

Posted by: HiredN00bs
Arrogant hyperbolic exclamations of woe? Seems like a normal day for Halo/Bungie.net.

Posted by: i Final War i
This what i always ask myself when I see these trolls saying Halo 2 takes no skill and ALLLLLLLLL the other Halos take skill, why is Halo 2 your lowest k/d?


H2 is my highest KD. Fail on your part, bro.

  • 05.02.2011 2:58 PM PDT

GET A LIFE


Posted by: Method Man NYC
Posted by: i Final War i
This what i always ask myself when I see these trolls saying Halo 2 takes no skill and ALLLLLLLLL the other Halos take skill, why is Halo 2 your lowest k/d?


H2 is my highest KD. Fail on your part, bro.
This for the trolls Cough* Cough JacobGRocks Cough* Cough*, sorry I'm kinda sick.

  • 05.02.2011 3:18 PM PDT

If you didn't Play Halo: CE or Halo 2 MP, your opinion about Halo means nada.

CE + H2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> H3+Reach+H4


Posted by: JacobGRocks

Posted by: XxNigHTsNiPe


Halo 1 was better, and that's not due to nostalgia. Look at the player numbers on Xfire.[/quote]
This nerd talks about Nostaglia yet always talks about Combat evolved,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Oh the irony!!!!!

you float up ladders, you glide around the floor, it has the most Over powered starting weapon in the history of gaming, the grenades are nukes, button glitches (like u cry about in H2)


HAHAHAH! Oh the irony!!!!!

I bet if you were given a copy of any valve game or CoD, you would hate it. Just look at TF2 or Portal 2, because it doesn't show your feet it must suck then. That's right, Valve games suck because "THEY DON'T SHOW YOUR FEET".



Oh, the AR is weak, the grenades aren't that powerful, if you want nuke nades try the Reach Beta, and H2 has far easier button glitches. And if you moan about the Pistol, also be sure to bash the BR in H2, except the BR gets max auto aim.

Of course, your post is so funny, I'm putting it on my YouTube.

if youre gonna argue with me gets your point correct you dumb nerd.

gliding on the floor means when you walk in CE, youre actually gliding not that you cant see your feet.

obviously you lie about playing H:1 if you say the grenades arent "that" powerful, yet they have a freaking mushroom cloud like a nuke.

Button glitchs. lol BLB in CE OMFG so difficult. now go try and pull a successful quadshot while under fire in H2. oh wait you can't

CE Pistol 3 shots w/ sniper range. H2 BR 4shot close-mid range. not to mention the inclusion of auto-aim was to deal with online lag since P2P netcode was horrible back then.


Im glad I could disprove everyone of your points and ambarrass you AGAIN. are you ever gonna win an arguement one of these days. we've been waited a while now. a mean a person who no lifes a forum for a videogame that they dont even like should have at least a few good points AMIRITE?

  • 05.02.2011 3:29 PM PDT

Halo 2 for Life!

Jacob likes CE to a fault... sometimes. The beta halo 2 beta is what Jacob thinks Halo 2 should have been.

Considering Halo 2 was hurried, mistakes were made and these mistakes were blended into the gameplay as best as possible (from my vantage point). These mistakes to some are extremely annoying and make gameplay favoring older veterans or those that practice exploiting these glitches.

I can see they don't like playing an in-perfect game but games that do not have nearly as many glitches had less ingenuity and had less things blended into it.

Do to the mistakes and lag issues present at the time I think they increased hit boxes, and lots of other things, to force the mistakes to work.

I think they did a very good job of blending in mistakes and tinkering with the game with little time left to have the best possible balance it could with the mistakes with the time they had (they also sped up the gameplay to help hid mistakes I think lol).

Sometimes if mistakes (or incompletely tuned features), if blended in correctly, makes a in-perfect game unique and perfect to what gamers want.

Gamers want to practice to exploit button combos to their advantage, some enjoy cheating each other (cheating the cheaters) to become king cheater and H2 offered that as well in TS ranked lol.

I think H2 was a blend and the other halos were stale and straight forward. CE was an exception it had a very well-constructed and perfected campaign. The story didn't cut out suddenly so to me CE had a way better story with plot twists and a good ending but H2's campaign being cut at the end made the ending... not as good as it could have been (could blend that into gameplay I guess lol).

When I said blend into game play I mean incorporate mistakes with the already finished stuff and make it work together to function as a complete package that made sense and was fun to move around and interact in for a certain amount of time with each other, exploring, attacking, and competing for bomb plating or territories or for the most kills or for a win through gun battles with multiple people at once and by working together to try and win....

I think I'm rambling now lol.

Edit

I actually think that multiplayer levels were meant to be much larger and then they shrunk them and tried to cover up (or leave them seperated off). This made one of the most fruitful exploring areas for glitches and glitchers would travel to the outsides of maps and have fun with others. It wasn't on purpose it just occurred because they were in a hurry but still wanted to do a very well done job with the time they had.

It was thrown to gather at the last minute but it was thrown together in a very structured and complete way, adapting a vision to incoperate and use mistakes to benfit the game instead of forceing them out through trial and error over many genreations of the game (they made the best of the situation and succeeded to me).

Posted by: XxNigHTsNiPe

Posted by: JacobGRocks

Posted by: XxNigHTsNiPe


Halo 1 was better, and that's not due to nostalgia. Look at the player numbers on Xfire.[/quote]
This nerd talks about Nostaglia yet always talks about Combat evolved,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Oh the irony!!!!!

you float up ladders, you glide around the floor, it has the most Over powered starting weapon in the history of gaming, the grenades are nukes, button glitches (like u cry about in H2)


HAHAHAH! Oh the irony!!!!!

I bet if you were given a copy of any valve game or CoD, you would hate it. Just look at TF2 or Portal 2, because it doesn't show your feet it must suck then. That's right, Valve games suck because "THEY DON'T SHOW YOUR FEET".



Oh, the AR is weak, the grenades aren't that powerful, if you want nuke nades try the Reach Beta, and H2 has far easier button glitches. And if you moan about the Pistol, also be sure to bash the BR in H2, except the BR gets max auto aim.

Of course, your post is so funny, I'm putting it on my YouTube.

if youre gonna argue with me gets your point correct you dumb nerd.

gliding on the floor means when you walk in CE, youre actually gliding not that you cant see your feet.

obviously you lie about playing H:1 if you say the grenades arent "that" powerful, yet they have a freaking mushroom cloud like a nuke.

Button glitchs. lol BLB in CE OMFG so difficult. now go try and pull a successful quadshot while under fire in H2. oh wait you can't

CE Pistol 3 shots w/ sniper range. H2 BR 4shot close-mid range. not to mention the inclusion of auto-aim was to deal with online lag since P2P netcode was horrible back then.


Im glad I could disprove everyone of your points and ambarrass you AGAIN. are you ever gonna win an arguement one of these days. we've been waited a while now. a mean a person who no lifes a forum for a videogame that they dont even like should have at least a few good points AMIRITE?


[Edited on 05.02.2011 4:19 PM PDT]

  • 05.02.2011 4:04 PM PDT

This is the average H2 Fanboy.
Xfire: JacobGRocks.
50 in H2/H3? Great, but you still fail at this.


Posted by: XxNigHTsNiPe

if youre gonna argue with me gets your point correct you dumb nerd.

gliding on the floor means when you walk in CE, youre actually gliding not that you cant see your feet.

Ummmm, that's the same as in other games too. I've seen many FPS games like that. But hating a game because you seem to "glide" is just sad. I might as well like Crysis too, as that game has crap gameplay but looks perfect.


CE Pistol 3 shots w/ sniper range. H2 BR 4shot close-mid range. not to mention the inclusion of auto-aim was to deal with online lag since P2P netcode was horrible back then.



Explain Half Life/CS 1.6, Quake 3, and UT99 then. They had good netcode which didn't lag like crap on 56k. Yeah, that's right, 56k. And no hitboxes. Hmmm, sounds like you are using the same defense as that other guy....

Try recreating this on UT99 or any HL1 based game

I don't think you would be well recieved here, even though the forum has H2 in the title.

Also, if you liked H2 for button glitches, then why do you hate Reach? Button glitches are harder on Halo 1 offhost (which you always are on the PC). There's the Halo Trial, DL it and try it. It takes more skill then Failo 2.

[Edited on 05.02.2011 4:43 PM PDT]

  • 05.02.2011 4:39 PM PDT

Posted by: JacobGRocks
It takes more skill then Failo 2.
Ever the diplomat.

than

  • 05.02.2011 4:51 PM PDT

GET A LIFE


Posted by: JacobGRocks

Posted by: XxNigHTsNiPe

if youre gonna argue with me gets your point correct you dumb nerd.

gliding on the floor means when you walk in CE, youre actually gliding not that you cant see your feet.

Ummmm, that's the same as in other games too. I've seen many FPS games like that. But hating a game because you seem to "glide" is just sad. I might as well like Crysis too, as that game has crap gameplay but looks perfect.


CE Pistol 3 shots w/ sniper range. H2 BR 4shot close-mid range. not to mention the inclusion of auto-aim was to deal with online lag since P2P netcode was horrible back then.



Explain Half Life/CS 1.6, Quake 3, and UT99 then. They had good netcode which didn't lag like crap on 56k. Yeah, that's right, 56k. And no hitboxes. Hmmm, sounds like you are using the same defense as that other guy....

Try recreating this on UT99 or any HL1 based game

I don't think you would be well recieved here, even though the forum has H2 in the title.

Also, if you liked H2 for button glitches, then why do you hate Reach? Button glitches are harder on Halo 1 offhost (which you always are on the PC). There's the Halo Trial, DL it and try it. It takes more skill then Failo 2.
Can you please explain to me what your definition of skill is because I might not be able to take you seriously with your k/d's in the 0.46- 0.76 range.

  • 05.02.2011 5:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: JacobGRocks
Explain Half Life/CS 1.6, Quake 3, and UT99 then. They had good netcode which didn't lag like crap on 56k. Yeah, that's right, 56k. And no hitboxes.
I can verify this. Half-Life/CS 1.6 and Quake were games I played quite frequently on 56k Internet. They definitely worked well with that Internet type. One thing about that though: I still play Quake III Arena all that time. I know for a fact that you can miss Railgun shots by a mile and still hit the target. In a lot of cases it looks worse than on Halo 2.

(Not saying anything bad about Halo 2, just praising those games for their netcode. On another note to the above statement, I'm not too sure about UT99 due to only have played it on good connections when at a friend's house)

[Edited on 05.02.2011 8:37 PM PDT]

  • 05.02.2011 8:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tupolev
Posted by: Method Man NYC
I still play Halo 2. I didn't mean "Glitches" but rather "tricks". It doesn't let you explore the full map without them. In Reach, this is possible on some maps (LNoS, Driving the Seraph, The Package...).

Eh, not sure I agree. Plenty of Halo 2 campaign maps are explorable with a heck of a lot less abuse than Reach's; Delta Halo is a nice example of a map that you can just drive out of, for instance.

The bigger issue with Reach, though, is that it kind of kills the spirit of the exploration for me.

Even when you do find a way around them, it has an icky "you shouldn't be here" feel to it, whereas being on top of a blue beam tower in Halo 1 or Mount Halo in Halo 2 just feels surprisingly natural.

And then there's the instance of switches that deactivate barriers and provide banshees. I actually don't like that. Sure, you can explore easily, but now the entire point is gone. Exploring has suddenly been reduced to the cheap task of effectively flying a devcam about. DPC getting to the top of the tower at the end of AotCR wasn't just cool because he was up there and nobody knew such an area even existed; it was much, much more cool because the guy made a motherfroodlenutzskying gigantic grenade pile under a shade turret and launched himself up. If someone had been able to simply fly up there, it would have been "oh, look, a thing, that's cool," but it wouldn't have been very fascinating or inspiring.

This is also why trickers are so picky about modding. Being in the end cutscene room on Cairo Station isn't cool. Getting there is.

//=====

I think the reason that Halo's 1 and 2 bolstered the tricking community so well is that they both had tricking capabilities that were more systematic than just applying odd quirks here and there, and had naturally-occuring difficulty curves on tricks that made them meaningfully difficult but often not humanly impossible. That combined with their lack of barriers, making the player feel more welcome outside the map, made them perfect for that stuff.

Exploration was a very interesting process.


While, Reach is limiting to strict exploration in campaign unless you glitch it, but there is an element of exploration that blows Halo 2 away. A customized exploration that was introduced in Halo 3. Forge. With this addition never again would Halo be the same. Including ninja school and complex zombie maps there was plenty of exploration to be found and created. However, that is just the tip of the iceburg of what Halo 3 offered, and Reach has taken exploration to a whole new level. Here's an
example I recommend. It features Reach's ability to create a level exploration that Halo 2 could never hope to achieve!

  • 05.02.2011 8:52 PM PDT

Posted by: NOBLE SlX
While, Reach is limiting to strict exploration in campaign unless you glitch it, but there is an element of exploration that blows Halo 2 away. A customized exploration that was introduced in Halo 3. Forge. With this addition never again would Halo be the same. Including ninja school and complex zombie maps there was plenty of exploration to be found and created. However, that is just the tip of the iceburg of what Halo 3 offered, and Reach has taken exploration to a whole new level. Here's an
example I recommend. It features Reach's ability to create a level exploration that Halo 2 could never hope to achieve!
Forge is not exploration. Forge is fun but to compare it to CE and H2's real exploration is ludicrous.

  • 05.02.2011 9:39 PM PDT

Posted by: NOBLE SlX
While, Reach is limiting to strict exploration in campaign unless you glitch it, but there is an element of exploration that blows Halo 2 away. A customized exploration that was introduced in Halo 3. Forge. With this addition never again would Halo be the same. Including ninja school and complex zombie maps there was plenty of exploration to be found and created. However, that is just the tip of the iceburg of what Halo 3 offered, and Reach has taken exploration to a whole new level. Here's an
example I recommend. It features Reach's ability to create a level exploration that Halo 2 could never hope to achieve!

As cool as those maps are, they aren't really the kind of exploration I'm talking about. The motivations and results are related, but ultimately different, especially considering the little caveat of the fact that Halo 1 and 2 tricking and exploration arose so organically.

And even if I could gather the emotional carage in the objects in puzzle maps or the interest in method that I could with Halo 1 and 2 exploration, you know what? The views aren't as good. I don't see anyone paying rent on Forge World!

  • 05.02.2011 9:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: NOBLE SlX
I know nostalgia is a big deal to people which is why most people like Halo 2 the most. They jumped on the bandwagon while never experiencing Halo CE on LANs. Playing them out of order and never LANing is the only logical reason someone would prefer Halo 2 over CE. So then they try to claim it's better than Halo 3 or Reach. That is just laughable because this game is so behind our time. You may have had a great time when it was in it's prime like me, but this game is gone and should be gone. It had a bad net code, cheaters, a very boring and detracting story mode, horrible level design, unskilled gameplay, and a terrible community.

Halo 2's community is the worst because they spend all their time on the Reach forums complaining. I think you are all just trolling the Reach forums because you are jealous that your noob friendly game isn't around no more. Well get over it and get friends in real life so we don't have to hear you biitch all day. It's so annoying when we are trying to read forums on forge maps or matchmaking ideas.

They removed it from online because it had like 200-500 people online (before they announced it was getting pulled and you got free xbox live/microsoft points for playing it).

When I went back from Halo 3 I realized that the game I thought was great was horrid. But when I go back from Reach to Halo 3 or CE I still have fun because those games had unique elements which made them unique to any other shooters. I want to congratulate bungie for taking strides on improving the series game to game (except the one failure mentioned in this OP) and creating a great platform for 343 to build upon. Also, I can't wait for aerospace which will hopefully be their next CE. Hopefully, there will never be another Halo 2.


You're an absolute idiot. You're going to honestly walk into this forum and post garbage like this?

People don't need to play Halo B.C. I mean C.E. before Halo 2. Narrow minded people like you will never understand why either. Halo 2 has way more content and replay value than Halo C.E. did. They didn't shut down the Xbox v1 servers because Halo 2 was dwindling, I honestly don't know where you are getting your grade school garbage facts from.

If you actually look at the grand scale of things (which I doubt your narrow mind could comprehend), Halo 2 wasn't just about multiplayer experience nor was it just about the bad things which you seem to cling very much onto, it was about the birth of an idea that redefined online multiplayer. If you do a comparison of all the bugs and glitches Halo 2 and Halo Reach has, it's actually pretty sad that both games has a lot of problems that even simple matchmaking updates cannot correct. The one defining difference is that Halo Reach had one of the biggest multiplayer Beta's out there and it still came in with much bugs and game mechanic flaws.

Halo 3 paved the way for Beta's in all honesty and it is a far less bugged game than Halo Reach ever will be.

  • 05.02.2011 10:34 PM PDT

This is the average H2 Fanboy.
Xfire: JacobGRocks.
50 in H2/H3? Great, but you still fail at this.

I don't like H2 or Reach. Both are extremely buggy.

I mean, bungie didn't delay it so they could fix their beta, they released it one month before Black Ops, and that game got patched unlike Reach.

  • 05.03.2011 7:14 AM PDT

This is a Reach account that I created the day they announced his name in a bnet weekly update. Any stats regarding ODST or Halo 3 are irrelevant. Also, Halo CE master race. Halo 1 > other halo games > other games.

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Posted by: Hedronox

Posted by: NOBLE SlX
I know nostalgia is a big deal to people which is why most people like Halo 2 the most. They jumped on the bandwagon while never experiencing Halo CE on LANs. Playing them out of order and never LANing is the only logical reason someone would prefer Halo 2 over CE. So then they try to claim it's better than Halo 3 or Reach. That is just laughable because this game is so behind our time. You may have had a great time when it was in it's prime like me, but this game is gone and should be gone. It had a bad net code, cheaters, a very boring and detracting story mode, horrible level design, unskilled gameplay, and a terrible community.

Halo 2's community is the worst because they spend all their time on the Reach forums complaining. I think you are all just trolling the Reach forums because you are jealous that your noob friendly game isn't around no more. Well get over it and get friends in real life so we don't have to hear you biitch all day. It's so annoying when we are trying to read forums on forge maps or matchmaking ideas.

They removed it from online because it had like 200-500 people online (before they announced it was getting pulled and you got free xbox live/microsoft points for playing it).

When I went back from Halo 3 I realized that the game I thought was great was horrid. But when I go back from Reach to Halo 3 or CE I still have fun because those games had unique elements which made them unique to any other shooters. I want to congratulate bungie for taking strides on improving the series game to game (except the one failure mentioned in this OP) and creating a great platform for 343 to build upon. Also, I can't wait for aerospace which will hopefully be their next CE. Hopefully, there will never be another Halo 2.


You're an absolute idiot. You're going to honestly walk into this forum and post garbage like this?

People don't need to play Halo B.C. I mean C.E. before Halo 2. Narrow minded people like you will never understand why either. Halo 2 has way more content and replay value than Halo C.E. did. They didn't shut down the Xbox v1 servers because Halo 2 was dwindling, I honestly don't know where you are getting your grade school garbage facts from.

If you actually look at the grand scale of things (which I doubt your narrow mind could comprehend), Halo 2 wasn't just about multiplayer experience nor was it just about the bad things which you seem to cling very much onto, it was about the birth of an idea that redefined online multiplayer. If you do a comparison of all the bugs and glitches Halo 2 and Halo Reach has, it's actually pretty sad that both games has a lot of problems that even simple matchmaking updates cannot correct. The one defining difference is that Halo Reach had one of the biggest multiplayer Beta's out there and it still came in with much bugs and game mechanic flaws.

Halo 3 paved the way for Beta's in all honesty and it is a far less bugged game than Halo Reach ever will be.


People do need to play CE before Halo 2 to make an informed opinion. If you look at posts by halo 2 supporters on this thread or their history you will find that they complain to others that we did not play Halo 2 in it's hey day. Same thing goes with CE. If you did not experience LAN parties and the craze that was Halo CE then you can not judge. It would even make more sense since that game relies on LAN to play multiplayer.

LOL you start your post by saying I'm an idiot instead of addressing any of the issues I raised. You say that Halo 2 had problems because they didn't have enough testing but Reach does. Then you give ZERO examples of the Reach's bugs and game mechanic flaws after saying that it has just as many as halo 2.


You call me narrow minded and then you make a ridiculous statement that Halo 2 has a higher replay value than Halo 2. That's complete garbage. I still play CE on my xbox all the time. I had friends and parties because of that game. "birth of an idea that redefined online multiplayer" seems irrelevant when you have enough friends willing to system link every day. I am fine playing the same people over and over again because I enjoy it. If you had friends in real life you might understand what I'm talking about. Not to mention LAN is the only way you can really see a players true skill.

Never did I attack Halo 3 so I can see you didn't really read my post. I never suggested that Reach was supperior to Halo 3. I enjoy both, but Halo 2 is just meh. Not that it's horrible by any means, but I consider it to be the worst in the series. The fact is that there are many users trolling the Halo Reach forums saying Halo has sucked since Halo 2 or this game sucks Halo 2 the best and stuff like this. It's about time they got another opinion instead of just brainwashing the future Halo community.

  • 05.03.2011 7:45 AM PDT

Posted by: HiredN00bs
Arrogant hyperbolic exclamations of woe? Seems like a normal day for Halo/Bungie.net.

Posted by: i Final War i

Posted by: Method Man NYC
Posted by: i Final War i
This what i always ask myself when I see these trolls saying Halo 2 takes no skill and ALLLLLLLLL the other Halos take skill, why is Halo 2 your lowest k/d?


H2 is my highest KD. Fail on your part, bro.
This for the trolls Cough* Cough JacobGRocks Cough* Cough*, sorry I'm kinda sick.


Whaddaya mean?

  • 05.03.2011 8:51 AM PDT

H2 was cheaters paradise. Community were whiney little nerds complaining about EVERYTHING, cheaters were rampant, campaign was terrible.

Do I need to go an further? One thing H2 has over any Halo game is the maps.

That is all.

  • 05.03.2011 9:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: NOBLE SlX

Posted by: Hedronox

Posted by: NOBLE SlX
I know nostalgia is a big deal to people which is why most people like Halo 2 the most. They jumped on the bandwagon while never experiencing Halo CE on LANs. Playing them out of order and never LANing is the only logical reason someone would prefer Halo 2 over CE. So then they try to claim it's better than Halo 3 or Reach. That is just laughable because this game is so behind our time. You may have had a great time when it was in it's prime like me, but this game is gone and should be gone. It had a bad net code, cheaters, a very boring and detracting story mode, horrible level design, unskilled gameplay, and a terrible community.

Halo 2's community is the worst because they spend all their time on the Reach forums complaining. I think you are all just trolling the Reach forums because you are jealous that your noob friendly game isn't around no more. Well get over it and get friends in real life so we don't have to hear you biitch all day. It's so annoying when we are trying to read forums on forge maps or matchmaking ideas.

They removed it from online because it had like 200-500 people online (before they announced it was getting pulled and you got free xbox live/microsoft points for playing it).

When I went back from Halo 3 I realized that the game I thought was great was horrid. But when I go back from Reach to Halo 3 or CE I still have fun because those games had unique elements which made them unique to any other shooters. I want to congratulate bungie for taking strides on improving the series game to game (except the one failure mentioned in this OP) and creating a great platform for 343 to build upon. Also, I can't wait for aerospace which will hopefully be their next CE. Hopefully, there will never be another Halo 2.


You're an absolute idiot. You're going to honestly walk into this forum and post garbage like this?

People don't need to play Halo B.C. I mean C.E. before Halo 2. Narrow minded people like you will never understand why either. Halo 2 has way more content and replay value than Halo C.E. did. They didn't shut down the Xbox v1 servers because Halo 2 was dwindling, I honestly don't know where you are getting your grade school garbage facts from.

If you actually look at the grand scale of things (which I doubt your narrow mind could comprehend), Halo 2 wasn't just about multiplayer experience nor was it just about the bad things which you seem to cling very much onto, it was about the birth of an idea that redefined online multiplayer. If you do a comparison of all the bugs and glitches Halo 2 and Halo Reach has, it's actually pretty sad that both games has a lot of problems that even simple matchmaking updates cannot correct. The one defining difference is that Halo Reach had one of the biggest multiplayer Beta's out there and it still came in with much bugs and game mechanic flaws.

Halo 3 paved the way for Beta's in all honesty and it is a far less bugged game than Halo Reach ever will be.


People do need to play CE before Halo 2 to make an informed opinion. If you look at posts by halo 2 supporters on this thread or their history you will find that they complain to others that we did not play Halo 2 in it's hey day. Same thing goes with CE. If you did not experience LAN parties and the craze that was Halo CE then you can not judge. It would even make more sense since that game relies on LAN to play multiplayer.

LOL you start your post by saying I'm an idiot instead of addressing any of the issues I raised. You say that Halo 2 had problems because they didn't have enough testing but Reach does. Then you give ZERO examples of the Reach's bugs and game mechanic flaws after saying that it has just as many as halo 2.


You call me narrow minded and then you make a ridiculous statement that Halo 2 has a higher replay value than Halo 2. That's complete garbage. I still play CE on my xbox all the time. I had friends and parties because of that game. "birth of an idea that redefined online multiplayer" seems irrelevant when you have enough friends willing to system link every day. I am fine playing the same people over and over again because I enjoy it. If you had friends in real life you might understand what I'm talking about. Not to mention LAN is the only way you can really see a players true skill.

Never did I attack Halo 3 so I can see you didn't really read my post. I never suggested that Reach was supperior to Halo 3. I enjoy both, but Halo 2 is just meh. Not that it's horrible by any means, but I consider it to be the worst in the series. The fact is that there are many users trolling the Halo Reach forums saying Halo has sucked since Halo 2 or this game sucks Halo 2 the best and stuff like this. It's about time they got another opinion instead of just brainwashing the future Halo community.


Examples from Halo Reach? I honestly think you can go to the Halo Reach forums and scroll through the first 10 pages and find out enough bugs people are continually addressing. The game speaks for itself. If you think that Reach doesn't have that many problems, then you seriously need to go to the eye doctor. Or even go play Reach yourself (if you even remotely do based on the fact your last played game was January).

The way you've spoke about being "fine' with Halo C.E. is pure opinion and I don't think Halo C.E. is bad at all infact I think it's a great game if anything. I just think your judgement of such Halo 2 is far too winded to even believe. To conclude all this I honestly think you just had a bad experience with Halo 2 and if you are even trying to post this out of simple rage then don't.

Don't walk in here and start drama because b.net has already enough as it is. There is absolutely zero purpose in having this thread. It's about time you stop brainwashing the community into your onesided ideas. Let the community decide for themselves what game is better.

  • 05.03.2011 9:38 AM PDT

Halo 3 Never Forget


Posted by: Hedronox

Posted by: NOBLE SlX

Posted by: Hedronox

Posted by: NOBLE SlX
I know nostalgia is a big deal to people which is why most people like Halo 2 the most. They jumped on the bandwagon while never experiencing Halo CE on LANs. Playing them out of order and never LANing is the only logical reason someone would prefer Halo 2 over CE. So then they try to claim it's better than Halo 3 or Reach. That is just laughable because this game is so behind our time. You may have had a great time when it was in it's prime like me, but this game is gone and should be gone. It had a bad net code, cheaters, a very boring and detracting story mode, horrible level design, unskilled gameplay, and a terrible community.

Halo 2's community is the worst because they spend all their time on the Reach forums complaining. I think you are all just trolling the Reach forums because you are jealous that your noob friendly game isn't around no more. Well get over it and get friends in real life so we don't have to hear you biitch all day. It's so annoying when we are trying to read forums on forge maps or matchmaking ideas.

They removed it from online because it had like 200-500 people online (before they announced it was getting pulled and you got free xbox live/microsoft points for playing it).

When I went back from Halo 3 I realized that the game I thought was great was horrid. But when I go back from Reach to Halo 3 or CE I still have fun because those games had unique elements which made them unique to any other shooters. I want to congratulate bungie for taking strides on improving the series game to game (except the one failure mentioned in this OP) and creating a great platform for 343 to build upon. Also, I can't wait for aerospace which will hopefully be their next CE. Hopefully, there will never be another Halo 2.


You're an absolute idiot. You're going to honestly walk into this forum and post garbage like this?

People don't need to play Halo B.C. I mean C.E. before Halo 2. Narrow minded people like you will never understand why either. Halo 2 has way more content and replay value than Halo C.E. did. They didn't shut down the Xbox v1 servers because Halo 2 was dwindling, I honestly don't know where you are getting your grade school garbage facts from.

If you actually look at the grand scale of things (which I doubt your narrow mind could comprehend), Halo 2 wasn't just about multiplayer experience nor was it just about the bad things which you seem to cling very much onto, it was about the birth of an idea that redefined online multiplayer. If you do a comparison of all the bugs and glitches Halo 2 and Halo Reach has, it's actually pretty sad that both games has a lot of problems that even simple matchmaking updates cannot correct. The one defining difference is that Halo Reach had one of the biggest multiplayer Beta's out there and it still came in with much bugs and game mechanic flaws.

Halo 3 paved the way for Beta's in all honesty and it is a far less bugged game than Halo Reach ever will be.


People do need to play CE before Halo 2 to make an informed opinion. If you look at posts by halo 2 supporters on this thread or their history you will find that they complain to others that we did not play Halo 2 in it's hey day. Same thing goes with CE. If you did not experience LAN parties and the craze that was Halo CE then you can not judge. It would even make more sense since that game relies on LAN to play multiplayer.

LOL you start your post by saying I'm an idiot instead of addressing any of the issues I raised. You say that Halo 2 had problems because they didn't have enough testing but Reach does. Then you give ZERO examples of the Reach's bugs and game mechanic flaws after saying that it has just as many as halo 2.


You call me narrow minded and then you make a ridiculous statement that Halo 2 has a higher replay value than Halo 2. That's complete garbage. I still play CE on my xbox all the time. I had friends and parties because of that game. "birth of an idea that redefined online multiplayer" seems irrelevant when you have enough friends willing to system link every day. I am fine playing the same people over and over again because I enjoy it. If you had friends in real life you might understand what I'm talking about. Not to mention LAN is the only way you can really see a players true skill.

Never did I attack Halo 3 so I can see you didn't really read my post. I never suggested that Reach was supperior to Halo 3. I enjoy both, but Halo 2 is just meh. Not that it's horrible by any means, but I consider it to be the worst in the series. The fact is that there are many users trolling the Halo Reach forums saying Halo has sucked since Halo 2 or this game sucks Halo 2 the best and stuff like this. It's about time they got another opinion instead of just brainwashing the future Halo community.


Examples from Halo Reach? I honestly think you can go to the Halo Reach forums and scroll through the first 10 pages and find out enough bugs people are continually addressing. The game speaks for itself. If you think that Reach doesn't have that many problems, then you seriously need to go to the eye doctor. Or even go play Reach yourself (if you even remotely do based on the fact your last played game was January).

The way you've spoke about being "fine' with Halo C.E. is pure opinion and I don't think Halo C.E. is bad at all infact I think it's a great game if anything. I just think your judgement of such Halo 2 is far too winded to even believe. To conclude all this I honestly think you just had a bad experience with Halo 2 and if you are even trying to post this out of simple rage then don't.

Don't walk in here and start drama because b.net has already enough as it is. There is absolutely zero purpose in having this thread. It's about time you stop brainwashing the community into your onesided ideas. Let the community decide for themselves what game is better.


This has to be the worst reply I have ever seen on the forums. Hedronox, please try to think out things before you post.

  • 05.03.2011 10:48 AM PDT

Posted by: MyNinja50
This has to be the worst reply I have ever seen on the forums. Hedronox, please try to think out things before you post.
This is one of the worst, biased polls I've seen on any forum. The first choice was straightforward, seemingly no biased involved until you get to the second choice 'NO-stalgia'. That wasn't even a choice. Ridiculous poll, and the OP and a couple of groupies want us to listen to what they have to say.

A WOT does not an intelligent post make, it makes a post longer and less likely to be understood. The OP is simply a troll, pretending to present his arguments in a fair, unbiased manner.

  • 05.03.2011 11:03 AM PDT

This is a Reach account that I created the day they announced his name in a bnet weekly update. Any stats regarding ODST or Halo 3 are irrelevant. Also, Halo CE master race. Halo 1 > other halo games > other games.

Account Status: Silver :(


Posted by: Grumpy1
Posted by: MyNinja50
This has to be the worst reply I have ever seen on the forums. Hedronox, please try to think out things before you post.
This is one of the worst, biased polls I've seen on any forum. The first choice was straightforward, seemingly no biased involved until you get to the second choice 'NO-stalgia'. That wasn't even a choice. Ridiculous poll, and the OP and a couple of groupies want us to listen to what they have to say.

A WOT does not an intelligent post make, it makes a post longer and less likely to be understood. The OP is simply a troll, pretending to present his arguments in a fair, unbiased manner.



If you looked around on these forums you would see that polls are generally made with an opinion added. None of you guys had to respond anyways. If you felt that way you should have made your own poll with no opinion and not trolled away at people who have a different point a view. All you guys do is go to the Reach forums and post things like: Halo 2 FTW. Halo 3 Reach and CE suck! RAWR! I am tired of this being one sided and hearing how our community sucks and yours is better. Reach forums at the time were flooded with the same hate over and over again saying how you all quit playing because of Reach and how Halo 3 was terrible too. I don't feel this way and wanted to post a poll with my opinion and reasons presented. It's not intended to start a troll war, but instead keep you to your own forums and aware that what you say is an opinion just like us. However, I actually post examples while you guys just rage.

  • 05.03.2011 11:13 AM PDT

This is a Reach account that I created the day they announced his name in a bnet weekly update. Any stats regarding ODST or Halo 3 are irrelevant. Also, Halo CE master race. Halo 1 > other halo games > other games.

Account Status: Silver :(

I would also like to say I never really hated Halo 2, but it really was the worst in my opinion. I think presenting flaws in one game is better than trolling everytime someone tries to say anything positive about any other game in the series.

  • 05.03.2011 11:16 AM PDT

You typed a lot and said nothing, as usual. The poll itself should not be opinionated or slanted one way or another. The troll made a poll....meaningless.

  • 05.03.2011 11:34 AM PDT

This is the average H2 Fanboy.
Xfire: JacobGRocks.
50 in H2/H3? Great, but you still fail at this.


Posted by: Grumpy1
You typed a lot and said nothing, as usual. The poll itself should not be opinionated or slanted one way or another. The troll made a poll....meaningless.


What about all the "H2 XBLA" polls with 2 options:

1. I WANT H2 BACKZ!!!!!
2. I hate H2 and am a morom.

There are lots of polls like that on here too. Everyone is slanted some way or another. I am slanted against H2 and You are slanted towards it.


Posted by: Hedronox
Examples from Halo Reach? I honestly think you can go to the Halo Reach forums and scroll through the first 10 pages and find out enough bugs people are continually addressing. The game speaks for itself. If you think that Reach doesn't have that many problems, then you seriously need to go to the eye doctor. Or even go play Reach yourself (if you even remotely do based on the fact your last played game was January).


All halo games are like that. Just look in 05-06 in the H2 forum, with lots of bugs that went unpatched like SuperBounces, or all the griefers either hostbooting or softmodding. And before Reach came out, everyone was like "THIS CANT BE WORSE THEN H3 (worst game ever)."

[Edited on 05.03.2011 12:30 PM PDT]

  • 05.03.2011 12:28 PM PDT

This is a Reach account that I created the day they announced his name in a bnet weekly update. Any stats regarding ODST or Halo 3 are irrelevant. Also, Halo CE master race. Halo 1 > other halo games > other games.

Account Status: Silver :(

I understand the AL issues, but can someone provide me with a gameplay relating to the DMR bloom issue? 99% of threads I read on it didn't even have a link or explain a situation that the OP had happen to him. It's become the cool thing to do on the Reach forums. That's just sad.

I honestly have rare problems with AL (only the melee noobs) and have had zero issues with the DMR to where I felt cheated in a duel.

  • 05.03.2011 12:35 PM PDT

Posted by: JacobGRocks

Posted by: Grumpy1
You typed a lot and said nothing, as usual. The poll itself should not be opinionated or slanted one way or another. The troll made a poll....meaningless.


What about all the "H2 XBLA" polls with 2 options:

1. I WANT H2 BACKZ!!!!!
2. I hate H2 and am a morom.

There are lots of polls like that on here too. Everyone is slanted some way or another. I am slanted against H2 and You are slanted towards it.


Posted by: Hedronox
Examples from Halo Reach? I honestly think you can go to the Halo Reach forums and scroll through the first 10 pages and find out enough bugs people are continually addressing. The game speaks for itself. If you think that Reach doesn't have that many problems, then you seriously need to go to the eye doctor. Or even go play Reach yourself (if you even remotely do based on the fact your last played game was January).


All halo games are like that. Just look in 05-06 in the H2 forum, with lots of bugs that went unpatched like SuperBounces, or all the griefers either hostbooting or softmodding. And before Reach came out, everyone was like "THIS CANT BE WORSE THEN H3 (worst game ever)."
No, I would not slant a poll, otherwise the poll is useless. Just because there are other biased polls does not mean presenting a biased poll of your own is the right thing to do.

  • 05.03.2011 2:16 PM PDT