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Subject: What distinguishes an AI from a human?
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What distiguishes an Smart AI from a human, other than that one is in a computer and the other is not?

I mean, they're made from human brains, they seem to think on their own,if you take a cue from Cortana they seem to have feelings, they seem pretty human to me.

Which raises the question if it's right to simply kill them once they reach rampancy...

  • 04.29.2011 7:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: TheProfessor
Which raises the question if it's right to simply kill them once they reach rampancy...

It's inevitable.
They have to be destroyed before they reach the anger stadium.
Anger + AI that has access to advanced weapons = chaos

  • 04.29.2011 7:44 AM PDT
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Simple solution: Disconnect them from the super weapon. Store them on some disc or whatevr so they cant access it. I just don't think it's exactly right to euthenize AIs while for a human you would work for a cure.

It's not like they're animals.

  • 04.29.2011 7:55 AM PDT
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True, but following that logic everyone who gets cancer or goes insane or anything like that should be killed.

Seriously,can't they just lock them into some server where they can't access the internet and observe them or something? Killing them as soon as they go crazy seems a tad brutal...

  • 04.29.2011 8:03 AM PDT


Posted by: TheProfessor
True, but following that logic everyone who gets cancer or goes insane or anything like that should be killed.

Seriously,can't they just lock them into some server where they can't access the internet and observe them or something? Killing them as soon as they go crazy seems a tad brutal...


I agree. It's natural progression to give them rights. However, I believe they are too new for that to have been taken into account.

It is likely Cortana will be a vanguard in such a movement.

  • 04.29.2011 8:07 AM PDT
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The lack of a body is a pretty big distinguishing factor.

  • 04.29.2011 8:12 AM PDT
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I don't know a whole lot about Cortanna other than that she's Halsey's Brain's AI, that there are some romantic undertones between her and Chief that apparently shippers love to exploit, that she's already been rampant while captured by Gravemind, and that she may have reached metastability.

Which leads to the idea of locking the rampant AIs in an offline servers so that they get a chance to get past rampancy.

I heard somewhere that in order for metastability to occur, the AI has to have some reason to go on.

So, assuming that you could somehow teach an AI to look for something to live for for BEFORE they reach rampancy, then they might have a shot at making through it.

[Edited on 04.29.2011 8:16 AM PDT]

  • 04.29.2011 8:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: xXFatal v1
The lack of a body is a pretty big distinguishing factor.


What is the measure of a human? Flesh and bone or the power to think? Athough now that you mention it, if you could take an AI from a brain you could theoretically do the reverse...

  • 04.29.2011 8:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: TheProfessor

Posted by: xXFatal v1
The lack of a body is a pretty big distinguishing factor.


What is the measure of a human? Flesh and bone or the power to think? Athough now that you mention it, if you could take an AI from a brain you could theoretically do the reverse...
I wouldn't put it past 343 to give Cortana an artificial body.

  • 04.29.2011 8:19 AM PDT
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Or if flash cloning develops, you could possibly even get her a human body. There is some specualtion that an AI could fit inside a mind. It would be an interesting experiment.


Not to mention knocking us up a tier on the Forerunner charts, because we would be able to create life.

  • 04.29.2011 8:25 AM PDT
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Hmm. Step one, find a world you could cycle AIs through...

OR you could use slipstream!

[Edited on 04.29.2011 8:33 AM PDT]

  • 04.29.2011 8:29 AM PDT
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How about you feed them pointless data that will keep them going but won't give them anything powerful enough to use?

It doesn't have to be on a planet. If you could connect the AI to a self-contained section of the slipspace then they wouldn't need a planet.

[Edited on 04.29.2011 8:43 AM PDT]

  • 04.29.2011 8:42 AM PDT

Where was it stated they had to have a world to go meta-stable?

Also, Rampant does NOT = dangerous.

Look at the Rubble's smart AI. She was past the 7 year mark. ONI would label her as "rampant". Yet she was not dangerous in any form.

  • 04.29.2011 8:50 AM PDT
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Yes! This must be how the Forerunners did it!

And now we can create life, too! All we have to do is learn to create stable flash clones and upload an AI into said clone's brain!

Granted, the AI would have to be sufficiently human. If you could genetically engineer a body for said AI, WE COULD CREATE LIFE!

What is the most human AI personality that would consent to becoming a subject in such an experiment? It would have to be willing to try to become human, so we would need an AI that has a reason to become human. Suggestions?

And yes, I am a bit of a mad scientist.

[Edited on 04.29.2011 9:17 AM PDT]

  • 04.29.2011 9:16 AM PDT
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Bah! We don't need further tests. We're clearly correct. We must move on to cloning and creating humans!

  • 04.29.2011 9:20 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Rampancy is a symptom, not the cause.

What actually happens is that as a smart AI accumulates knowledge it forms more interconnections between its memory circuits, which increases it intellegence essentially. However as this continues, the density of interconnections becomes too great and fatal feedback loops and short circuiting begin to occur in the AI's memory matrix.

Two things can happen as a result from here. The AI can do nothing about it, in which case the short circuits will result in a total failure of the AI. (It dies) The other option is for the AI to start destroying some of these interconnections to free up space, and thus stop this failure from happening (Or slow it down). Destroying parts of the memory matrix results in all sorts of weird changes in the AI. Rampancy is one of them. It is merely a manifestation of the AI's attempts to prolong its own existence by destroying parts of itself. Though Halsey said that ultimately the AI, as a result of this, becomes increasingly more reckless, making poorer and poorer choices in the way it severs these interconnections meaning that it is usually only a matter of time before the AI kills itself.

Rampancy is unavoidable and will always end up with the destruction of the AI. Locking them away somewhere will not work.

  • 04.29.2011 10:08 AM PDT
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Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: fxnavarro
The fact that AIs go rampant after 7 years, people don't


Wrong and i wish people didn't paraphrase and spread that around.


Posted by: anton1792

Rampancy is unavoidable and will always end up with the destruction of the AI. Locking them away somewhere will not work.


Don't forget to mention that there is a slim chance the AI can bring itself back from rampancy.

[Edited on 04.29.2011 10:13 AM PDT]

  • 04.29.2011 10:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Rampancy is a symptom, not the cause.

What actually happens is that as a smart AI accumulates knowledge it forms more interconnections between its memory circuits, which increases it intellegence essentially. However as this continues, the density of interconnections becomes too great and fatal feedback loops and short circuiting begin to occur in the AI's memory matrix.

Two things can happen as a result from here. The AI can do nothing about it, in which case the short circuits will result in a total failure of the AI. (It dies) The other option is for the AI to start destroying some of these interconnections to free up space, and thus stop this failure from happening (Or slow it down). Destroying parts of the memory matrix results in all sorts of weird changes in the AI. Rampancy is one of them. It is merely a manifestation of the AI's attempts to prolong its own existence by destroying parts of itself. Though Halsey said that ultimately the AI, as a result of this, becomes increasingly more reckless, making poorer and poorer choices in the way it severs these interconnections meaning that it is usually only a matter of time before the AI kills itself.

Rampancy is unavoidable and will always end up with the destruction of the AI. Locking them away somewhere will not work.
or they could somehow achieve metastability where they essentialy become human (not an human but a real life form)

  • 04.29.2011 10:19 AM PDT
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Which is exactly why hooking them up to slipspace would fix everything. It's like linking to The Cloud. The new information could overflow into the wireless server and thus leave the AI's unharmed.

  • 04.29.2011 10:20 AM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

I think the better question is "What makes humans, humans?"

  • 04.29.2011 10:29 AM PDT

I like the line from one of the data pads, along the lines of "AI's are everything that separates man from animal without that which connects man to animal."

  • 04.29.2011 10:33 AM PDT

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