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Subject: How long was the Battle of Reach?

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Posted by: Lord Slade
It was in a day.

Halo: Reach is not canon because it was made by a group of drooling downies instead of actual writers. Fact.

The gameplay sucks too.

You know Nyland helped make the game, right?

  • 04.29.2011 4:34 PM PDT

Posted by: GPK Ethan
Posted by: Lord Slade
It was in a day.

Halo: Reach is not canon because it was made by a group of drooling downies instead of actual writers. Fact.

The gameplay sucks too.

You know Nyland helped make the game, right?


And declared this version was better if I recall correctly.

  • 04.29.2011 5:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Posted by: GPK Ethan
You know Nyland helped make the game, right?

I'm back.

Anyways, "Nyland", as you call him, contributed in the writing of the HSB nearly ten years ago by Jason Jones and Joe Staten. What reason would he have for butchering the story with this game? Also, there's no information saying he directly worked on the project. For all you know, "helping out on the game" could just mean "Hey guys, he wrote this book. Let's take some stuff from it and ruin everything else."

  • 04.29.2011 5:38 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

One day(August 30th)

With two weeks worth of smalled skirmishes happening on the dying planet.

That other BS in Reach is non-canon for all I care. If Bungie doesn't even have the courtesy to give some sort of explanation for changing so much, then I'm not going to bother disregarding years worth of material for a lackluster game.

  • 04.29.2011 5:52 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
One day(August 30th)

With two weeks worth of smalled skirmishes happening on the dying planet.

That other BS in Reach is non-canon for all I care. If Bungie doesn't even have the courtesy to give some sort of explanation for changing so much, then I'm not going to bother disregarding years worth of material for a lackluster game.


*sigh*

  • 04.29.2011 5:57 PM PDT

Adepto In Meus Campester
Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Posted by: privet caboose
One day(August 30th)

With two weeks worth of smalled skirmishes happening on the dying planet.

That other BS in Reach is non-canon for all I care. If Bungie doesn't even have the courtesy to give some sort of explanation for changing so much, then I'm not going to bother disregarding years worth of material for a lackluster game.

*brofist*

  • 04.29.2011 6:56 PM PDT


Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: GPK Ethan
You know Nyland helped make the game, right?

I'm back.

Anyways, "Nyland", as you call him, contributed in the writing of the HSB nearly ten years ago by Jason Jones and Joe Staten. What reason would he have for butchering the story with this game? Also, there's no information saying he directly worked on the project. For all you know, "helping out on the game" could just mean "Hey guys, he wrote this book. Let's take some stuff from it and ruin everything else."


Where did you hear he helped write it? I've never heard anyone ever claim that Nylund was involved with the creation of the Halo Bible, merely that he received some of it when he was writing TFoR and they were quickly taken back from him once he was done. I don't know what involvement he had on the game, but I do know that Halsey's Journal was a coordinated effort by Nylund and Bungie.

  • 04.29.2011 7:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Posted by: OrderedComa
Where did you hear he helped write it? I've never heard anyone ever claim that Nylund was involved with the creation of the Halo Bible, merely that he received some of it when he was writing TFoR and they were quickly taken back from him once he was done. I don't know what involvement he had on the game, but I do know that Halsey's Journal was a coordinated effort by Nylund and Bungie.

The original HSB was a collaboration between JJ and Staten with input and advice from Nylund, mostly regarding the events of the Fall of Reach.

  • 04.29.2011 7:05 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Posted by: Lord Slade
Too bad that you're dickriding Bungie and are too stubborn to see just how poorly written and made Reach was.
So now we can just disregard the pieces we don't like and just say "oh that doesn't count". I understand the retcon/contradiction problems, but we cannot just say "Reach isn't canon". That makes as much sense as saying "The Phantom Menace" isn't Star Wars canon. As impossible as it may sound, we as a Community of Halo fans must come together and try to make it work.

[Edited on 04.29.2011 7:30 PM PDT]

  • 04.29.2011 7:28 PM PDT


Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: OrderedComa
Where did you hear he helped write it? I've never heard anyone ever claim that Nylund was involved with the creation of the Halo Bible, merely that he received some of it when he was writing TFoR and they were quickly taken back from him once he was done. I don't know what involvement he had on the game, but I do know that Halsey's Journal was a coordinated effort by Nylund and Bungie.

The original HSB was a collaboration between JJ and Staten with input and advice from Nylund, mostly regarding the events of the Fall of Reach.


What is your source for this information I mean. I'm not entirely sure whether I should believe you or not since no one else I've ever talked with about the subject has said anything similar.

  • 04.29.2011 7:35 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: Lord Slade
Too bad that you're dickriding Bungie and are too stubborn to see just how poorly written and made Reach was.
So now we can just disregard the pieces we don't like and just say "oh that doesn't count". I understand the retcon/contradiction problems, but we cannot just say "Reach isn't canon". That makes as much sense as saying "The Phantom Menace" isn't Star Wars canon. As impossible as it may sound, we as a Community of Halo fans must come together and try to make it work.

Naw, for folks like Slade that would be too hard on his poor brain.

I understand the events regarding Reach's fall just fine. To me, the book and game can go hand in hand.

  • 04.29.2011 8:03 PM PDT

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2/15/12: Francisco Porras, I'll miss you. Rest in Peace.

Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: GPK Ethan
You know Nyland helped make the game, right?

I'm back.

Anyways, "Nyland", as you call him, contributed in the writing of the HSB nearly ten years ago by Jason Jones and Joe Staten. What reason would he have for butchering the story with this game? Also, there's no information saying he directly worked on the project. For all you know, "helping out on the game" could just mean "Hey guys, he wrote this book. Let's take some stuff from it and ruin everything else."


I would like your see source that says he helped write the HSB. During the credits of Reach it says he was part of the writing team, and maybe he liked this version better(like mojeda101 said).

  • 04.29.2011 8:46 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: Lord Slade
Too bad that you're dickriding Bungie and are too stubborn to see just how poorly written and made Reach was.
So now we can just disregard the pieces we don't like and just say "oh that doesn't count". I understand the retcon/contradiction problems, but we cannot just say "Reach isn't canon". That makes as much sense as saying "The Phantom Menace" isn't Star Wars canon. As impossible as it may sound, we as a Community of Halo fans must come together and try to make it work.

Naw, for folks like Slade that would be too hard on his poor brain.

I understand the events regarding Reach's fall just fine. To me, the book and game can go hand in hand.


I love how he ignored by response and proceeded to reply to other posts for the sake of avoiding it.

  • 04.29.2011 8:51 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: Lord Slade
Too bad that you're dickriding Bungie and are too stubborn to see just how poorly written and made Reach was.
So now we can just disregard the pieces we don't like and just say "oh that doesn't count". I understand the retcon/contradiction problems, but we cannot just say "Reach isn't canon". That makes as much sense as saying "The Phantom Menace" isn't Star Wars canon. As impossible as it may sound, we as a Community of Halo fans must come together and try to make it work.

Naw, for folks like Slade that would be too hard on his poor brain.

I understand the events regarding Reach's fall just fine. To me, the book and game can go hand in hand.


I love how he ignored by response and proceeded to reply to other posts for the sake of avoiding it.

Butthurt fanboys are never rational.

  • 04.29.2011 9:03 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: Lord Slade
Too bad that you're dickriding Bungie and are too stubborn to see just how poorly written and made Reach was.
So now we can just disregard the pieces we don't like and just say "oh that doesn't count". I understand the retcon/contradiction problems, but we cannot just say "Reach isn't canon". That makes as much sense as saying "The Phantom Menace" isn't Star Wars canon. As impossible as it may sound, we as a Community of Halo fans must come together and try to make it work.

Naw, for folks like Slade that would be too hard on his poor brain.

I understand the events regarding Reach's fall just fine. To me, the book and game can go hand in hand.


I love how he ignored by response and proceeded to reply to other posts for the sake of avoiding it.

Butthurt fanboys are never rational.


I know right? I think I may make a group "The knowledge is power" a place where people can actually have a civilized debate without people that resort to mindless insults, what do you think?

  • 04.29.2011 9:08 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I know right? I think I may make a group "The knowledge is power" a place where people can actually have a civilized debate without people that resort to mindless insults, what do you think?

Me and Skul made a Halo Canon group. Look at my groups and I'll add you to it tomorrow.

  • 04.29.2011 9:10 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I know right? I think I may make a group "The knowledge is power" a place where people can actually have a civilized debate without people that resort to mindless insults, what do you think?

Me and Skul made a Halo Canon group. Look at my groups and I'll add you to it tomorrow.


Hmmm, fair enough, I'll see you there then ^_^

  • 04.29.2011 9:12 PM PDT
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Eleven.

  • 04.30.2011 2:17 AM PDT

It takes a real man to back down from a fight, but it takes a spartan to finish it!

Posted by: Lord Slade
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I think it's a better fear factor that Reach fell in one day. Sadly, Bungie didn't use that for Reach.

Exactly. The battle of Reach was supposed to be symbolic, showing just how hopeless the struggle was when even humanity's greatest stronghold can be swept aside by the unstoppable alien juggernaut.

With Reach they just succeeded in making a terrible story with the presentation of a bad Bollywood flick. Everything in it was contrived.

Also, keep bringing arguments to me, I have an unending well of seething hatred towards whoever wrote and designed Halo: Reach. It's the gangrenous limb that needs to be amputated to save the rest of the body that is the Halo franchise.

It was made by the people who made the halo story, it doesn't matter what you say they can do what ever the -blam!- they want with the story. You have no say in it.

  • 04.30.2011 2:41 AM PDT
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The Battle of Reach = ~ 2 hours
The Battle for Reach = 1 month and two weeks (45 days)

  • 04.30.2011 3:28 AM PDT

It is better to die for the emperor than live for yourself

1 Single minute

  • 04.30.2011 4:21 AM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: Lord Slade
Too bad that you're dickriding Bungie and are too stubborn to see just how poorly written and made Reach was.
So now we can just disregard the pieces we don't like and just say "oh that doesn't count". I understand the retcon/contradiction problems, but we cannot just say "Reach isn't canon". That makes as much sense as saying "The Phantom Menace" isn't Star Wars canon. As impossible as it may sound, we as a Community of Halo fans must come together and try to make it work.

Naw, for folks like Slade that would be too hard on his poor brain.

I understand the events regarding Reach's fall just fine. To me, the book and game can go hand in hand.


I love how he ignored by response and proceeded to reply to other posts for the sake of avoiding it.


He hasn't provided a source for his claim that Nylund helped write the Halo Bible either :P

  • 04.30.2011 1:03 PM PDT

Oh hey there

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Posted by: privet caboose
One day(August 30th)

With two weeks worth of smalled skirmishes happening on the dying planet.

That other BS in Reach is non-canon for all I care. If Bungie doesn't even have the courtesy to give some sort of explanation for changing so much, then I'm not going to bother disregarding years worth of material for a lackluster game.

Hey hey hey, that's my pretty much my opinion you can't just steal it and pretend it's yours.

  • 04.30.2011 1:09 PM PDT

Wasn't it just a day of none-stop killing?

  • 04.30.2011 1:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Grey101
True but once a series gets big and uncountable amounts of stories have been made; eventually it is up to the fans to piece the canon puzzle together much like starwars fans have been doing.


That may be, but I don't think Halo is anywhere big enough to have that kind of problem yet. Star Wars is something of a different matter, it's been around for several decades and has about a million different people writing for it and putting media out. Halo isn't in the same boat yet, and I think 343i have a much better grip on the Halo story than Lucasarts does for Star Wars, but that's just my opinion :/

To be honest have you even read the books and actually understood them or do you just fully know halo off the games? What you have stated is something i fully expect from somebody that only knows halo from the games and not the actual lore.

First off the covenant are far superior to the UNSC which is the main reason they lost nearly every space engagement. secondly ships like Trafalgar were huge and slow therefore a large sitting target for covenant ships; which is the reason it was one of the first ships to be destroyed during the battle before it could do anything and a supporting reason why the UNSC make small to medium sized ships.

Yes Reach had 20 SMACs, but they got swarmed by boarding craft and were also getting sniped by a new class of covenant ship designed to take out MACs.

The fleet of the Reach was only 100 ships (120 at the most with reinforcements) the actual covenant fighitng force of ships was 314 ships (though a good amount was destroyed by mines) even then they still outnumbered the number of ships the UNSC had; as they failed to meet the 3:1 ratio they needed to beat covenant ships.

After a few rounds and breaching a line in the MACs the covenant split the ships into two forces, one force of over 150 focus on UNSC ships while the rest worked on the MACs with the covenant Supercruiser sniped UNSC ships from a distance.

The UNSC tried to split their force of around 50 ships (if i remember right) but there were too many platforms to cover and too many dropships surrounding their ships and going to the surface to take down the MACs.


The reason Reach fell in 2 hours is because there weren't enough ships and not enough SMACs to cover the planet. Not to mention the UNSC only had a low number of 100 ships and didn't expect the covenant to attack.


I have read all the books to date, only once though and I don't own them, so my experience with the books has not been as extensive as others. However, I do not base my opinions on the games, I take the best of both worlds. And my reasoning for concluding that Reach would have lasted longer is from information we've accumulated from mostly the books.

I know the Covenant are stronger than the UNSC, but out classing your opponent does not assure you an easy victory. Especially with everything asset the UNSC had that I listed. What exactly did First Strike say about the Trafalgar's demise? I don't remember the specific details. In any case, it would have done some good before it was destroyed.

Halopedia says the UNSC Navy numbered at nearly 200 strong, so I'd say it's probably somewhere between your estimate and what Halopedia says. That's enough to give the Covenant a hell of a fight, especially considering the 20 or so SMACs and the hundreds of other ODPs around Reach.

The exact purpose of the Supre Cruiser is not stated, it had the ability to snipe the SMACs and other ODPS, but it is never stated that that was its purpose.

Even with a surprise attack, it does not make sense for Reach to fall in two hours, it was almost an ass-pull ending, imo. With a surprise attack I do not think they would last a long time, but it would sure as hell have been more than two hours. The timeline for the battle laid out in Reach is much better and makes much more sense.

Halseys journal fixes SOME errors but defiantly not most of them, and common sense does not flesh out the backstory of noble team that we were said to get, nor does it explain why the hell the PoA Landed, landed on a drydock instead of an orbital station, and how the hell it could take off like that.

I haven't read it yet for myself, so I only know what I've heard, and everything I've heard indicates that it fixes most of the conflicts. Why does Noble Team have a need to really have their back story really fleshed out? The characters in ODST did not truly have their back stories fleshed out when their game was released either, yet I don't see you or anyone else complaining about that. What do you find so unbelievable about the Autumn being lifted off with those rocket tugs?

  • 04.30.2011 7:12 PM PDT

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